I highly doubt that prostitution will ever be legalized in the U.S. There are too many conservatives in power and I don't know many people who actually care about the issue. My question is: other than for moral reasons, why is it wrong to legalize prostitution? Maybe there would be less rapes if perverts knew that there was somewhere to get it. Okay that's probably a stretch. Police wouldn't have to waste time and money trying to catch the prostitutes and guys who pay for them. The police already have a lot to deal with. It would definitely make prostitution safer. And since we know that prostituting isn't going anywhere(its been around since the first humans), shouldn't we at least try to make it safer? What are your thoughts?



Besides moral reasons... it would be itneresting to see if it could be legalized or not. You also have to think though that most prostiutes (sp I know) are killed. People don't like them because of what they do and we're moving into a racism issue, especially if it was made legal.
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that is a very interesting idea
JZ
In Las Vegas I believe that it's legal. I can see why it's wrong though. Many prostitutes are drug addicts and the people who they work for etc. PLus, it's an industry that the government can't tax because they'll never have control over it. Personally, these people make a living. I'm not for or against it.
Prove me wrong, but I doubt you will ever meet a little girl who tells you "I want to be a prostitute when I grow up." I think legalizing prostitution would just enable people to take advantage of women who have hit rock bottom and are desperate for a way to get back on their feet (or desperate to score some drug money) I agree that it woudl be better if the police didn't have to spend their time (and funding) dealing with prostitution, but I think it is needed. Instead of legalizing prostitution, more energy and resources should go into women's shelter and halfway houses to give these women other option aside from prostitution.
Technically speaking, there's nothing wrong with suicides other than moral reasons either. We should from now on stop making a big deal of people who commit suicide because we as a community already have a lot to deal with.
There is a lot wrong with suicide besides moral reasons. If that person in in debt, the family is forced to pay off their debt because you cant get insurance money for suicide. Also, if that person has a family, it hurts the family. Its like that commercial that says who does depression hurt . . . it hurts everyone.
As far as if it should be legalized, besides moral reasons, a lot of men other than perverts would buy prostitutes. Its already hard enough for men with Victoria's Secrets commericals and porn popping up right and left on their computers, they dont need whores on every corner as well. And, if it were legalized it would make clean safe places trashy. Not to mention it would further devalue sex, which I happen to place a high value on. Not for moral reasons but for other personal reasons.
Francesca Chambers
I think that you ask a very compelling question. Many liberals and even "feminists" argue that the reason why we should legalize prostitution is because it will allow for the following: 1) women who work in the industry will receive health care/benefits because it will be considered labor and this means that they will also be "protected" 2) it will remove/challenge the stigma surrounding women's bodies (the criminalization of women making "choices") 3) it will reduce human trafficking -- the heart of the debates surrounding human trafficking are centralized around human trafficking because as the TIP says, "where there is prostitution there is trafficking."
I would like to respond to these three characters that are often pegged for reasons why we should legalize prostitution because, this are very valid reasons why we should not legalize prostitution or rather, why legalizing does not work:
1) What we do know (we as in scholars and activist) is that it legalizing prostitution does not work. In response to the first part (benefits) what happens when you legalize prostitution is that the government then becomes the pimp in the relationship. Also, legalizing prostitution does not eliminate exploitation because it only endorses it through government policy.
2)The second part is that if you talk to women in the industry last research developed by Donna Hughes showed that approximately 80% would not work in the industry if they had a choice. You may also want to read Melissa Farley's Prostitution, Trafficking and Traumatic Stress. What many women suffer from working in the industry is post-traumatic stress disorder. It is often used to characterize Vietnam War Veterans and their experiences after trauma, but theorist/academics/researchers find that it also occurs in prostitutes, survivors of sex abuse as well as survivors of bullying. If you are likely to be raped at least once a week (if not more) it does not seem like a far stretch as to why many women suffer from ptsd. However, the question then is what about women who "choose." One of the most difficult and least understood phenomenons are victims survival tactics in any situation. Sometimes, staying seems less dangerous then leaving (especially if leaving = you are going to die because you are being threatened this on a normal basis or some form of frequency).
3) If you take countries such as the Netherlands or even here in the U.S. where we have legal counties in Nevada, what has occured is that legalizing prostitution increases human trafficking. Public officials in Amsterdam conveyed after legalizing prostitution that it was a mistake. Why? Because what they saw was not an increase in local women working in the industry but the trafficking of women from other countries (south-eastern European countries).
To legalize prostitution is to perpetuate the violences against women's bodies through government endorsement of a relationship in which it pretty much says that it's okay to commodify women.
Suggested Reading: Prostitution, Trafficking and Post-Traumatic Stress Edited by Melissa Farley
or
Not for Sale: Feminists Resisting Prostitution and Pornography edited by Christine Stark and Rebecca Whisnant
--Putting all morals aside--
Other than the fact that sex is something that should be cherished, disease is one HUGE reason not to legalize prostitution. There are already enough disease's being spread around-legalizing prostitution would just make them worse.
Sure "the cops have so much to do" already, but what about the hospitals? You don't think they are booked full with people?
If the government was to legalize prostitution it would have to be able to be taxed. so how about legalizing it only if it is in a business like situation where they have to have a business license and file taxes just like any business, you could even go as far as making it mandatory to have health inspections. but if you ask me, if you get a disease from a prostitute than that is the risk you have taken and it shouldn't be the governments business to stop it, after all the government doesn't force people to wash their hands just because it can spread disease.
How can we make prostitution safer? im not being sarcastic or anything...But its impossible unless there's someone there watching and maing sure that the guy wears his condoms, or that both people are free from STD, and I highly doubt they can even afford getting tested for one, and besides prostitution is not really a job where you can get a healthcare or an nsurance company will insure....so we might as well get red of it.
Making it illegal would force SOME women from becoming prostitues, and thats better than none; making it legal would only enforce the thinking that its okay.
If you can give it away for free, why can't you sell it?
In the rural counties of Nevada, the state I live in, and some designated areas besides, prostitution is legal. It is relegated to brothels where women are screened for disease, drug addiction and the patrons are too. THere is security and decent money in being a prostitute. The dangers involved in street-walking are largely avoided for all parties involved.
The women aren't forced to be there, and neither are the men. The work may not be the most appetizing, but I can honestly think of plenty of nasty jobs I wouldn't really want to do. Why is selling pleasure so wrong in this country?
Res ipsa loquitur.
Memento mori, mahalo.
It doesn't matter if prostitution is legal or not... It is always going to exist. Even if it was somehow made legal, it is likely that any restrictions placed would be ignored. I don't think that there is a way to make prostitution a "business," or at least not a law abiding business.
*~Heidi~*
Nevada, I believe (at least some parts) have legalized prostitution. It gets rid of many of the problems with illegal prostitution; it is much safer for all participants involved.
How is it safer?
this was a topic in my history class...of all classes right. well my teachers backing for not legalizing it was if we make prostitution why not just legalize drugs? he has kind of got a point...if you start legalizing such things where is the stopping point, the finish line?
We actually had this issue brought up at my Student Leadership conference my senior year in the capitol. One student proposed legalizing prostitution and somehow in the student legislation it passed. We decided it would be better for everyone involved and would promote safety, plus if the United States allows it, they can tax it. That would be a huge revenue. They could also impose certain things like STD tests that would keep prostitution cleaner, and safer for all. It would also get rid of the problem of the pimp.
Again=I ask-How is it safer?
It's safer because you lose pimps that beat up prostitutes. The legislation/states can say how it is run. They can put rules that have to followed and the cops will be able to get involved. These are huge things, I mean right now people don't go to the cops because of the illegal factor, but if it were legalized they would be free to. There would be less dead prostitutes and less abusive pimps, and also less disease and trouble. How wouldn't it make it safer???
I look at it all from a health/medical view. I do not believe it would spred less disease-I believe it would spread more. And say the government requires all women to have tests and everything-first of all, who pays for them? If you are requiring yourself to sell sex you most definately don't have the money to pay for medical tests. And two-where would they go? They don't need to be clogging main hospitals because they chose to do something wrong and disgusting.
When it is a government allowed, managers and such can be put into place, so health care would be a real possiblity. I don't know much about prostitution but I know for stripping there are people that go into for no other reason than it's the best money around... they don't need to they just like money.. They could go to the main hospitals, they already do.. when they are bruised, bloody and beaten where do they go? The same hospitals you and I go to.. to each their own choices. whose to say somethings that you and I do aren't considered wrong or disgusting.. Are we too good to allow another human being into our hospitals?
I come from a different angle. With both of my parents working in hospitals-I know the shit they put up with. So things we do may be wrong-I don't go to the hospital for it. If prostitutes get themselves into trouble, they just make it harder on everyone else in the hospitals. If they didn't put themself in the position then it wouldn't happen. I'm not saying deny them care-but it is wrong. And if they legalize prostitution, more prostitutes would be going to the hospital with diseases and other problems-crowding our hospitals and making it harder for the workers, and harder for people with true medical problems.
I find no matter what tho there is always a line.. I can see your point, but I don't know I figure that either way they will end up at the hospital, I would rather have it covered and have them able to be cared for than going ot places where they wouldn't be cared for at all or being too scared and letting minor injuries kill them.
I don't know maybe it's just in ways I don't have much faith in hospitals anymore.. My dad went in for an easy surgery at one of the best hospitals in the country and ended up dead. I was able to diagnose things before the doctors and I was barely in highschool. I have always been able to diagnose myself.. I don't know how, but I can just tell.. I know that probably sounds weird but with the people I am close with I can just tell something is wrong and many times I know how to fix it. I don't know... weird stuff I know but that kind of stuff makes me lose faith in doctors.. when I tell them my wrist is broken ten times, and they say no it's not only to have me come in a month later and say oh yea it was broken the whole time... luckily you had it set so it was starting to heal correctly.. or in my dad's case.. a day or two after a stroke taking him out of ICU only to have me say that he was white and stuff and that some of his other data didn't look stable...only to hear you're right those are the signs of a heart attack, let's switch him back to ICU...so maybe I just haven't been lucky but I don't know...
I am happy there are people like your parents working in hospitals tho who care and work hard for their patients.
Want to know the truth? Doctos don't know that much. It is the nurses, and assistants that do the work. But putting all of that aside-It isn't the point that all prostitutes would end up in the hospital, but diseases would be up-and who is there to deal with that? There is a shortage of hospital-workers in this country, there isn't anyone to deal with the problems that they have brought upon themselves. There are better, easier jobs that they could get. (The prostitutes I mean)
In the Netherlands, prositution (along w/ use of weed) is legal. After hearing about this, I wondered how different things were for them socially because of that than they are for us in America.
I personally don't think prostitution will be legalized in America any time soon. We are still too wrapped up in our Puritann values, although it doesn't always seem like it. While we greatly falue personal freedom over many other things, we're still too afraid to open up legal prostitution to society.
i know your being sarcastic goosebusterfan but i agree with you.
I am sorry, but how would this be taxed . . . I mean I am a server, and it is hard enough to tax us because we all like about how much we make in tips, even though we are not supposed to, so how do you propose to tax prostituion.
Francesca Chambers
This would never work, and I am glad it won't. It is not only demeaning to women it would cause even more problems. If prostitution were legal that would probably mean that it would go on in a lot more places than it is today... therefore more men would be going to them and you would probably see families falling apart... more abortions... and a huge outbreak of AIDS!!! It would ruin humanity.
It already is happening in las vegas
why though? it already is going on everywhere illegally.. why would it cause families to fall apart? .. but I don't see how it would affect families.why more abortions? and a huge outbreak of aids not everyone in prostitution is unclean. plus that would help to make it so there weren't as many STDS.. how would it ruin humanity?
It would cause more families to fall apart because prostitution would be more wide spread in the country... it would be in more places than it already is... and you can't say that families have not split because of a cheating spouse. Second it would cause more abortions for the same reason... it would be more wide spread and protection does not always work. Same with AIDS and STDS. The more people are sleeping around the higher the risk. And just because not everyone is unclean does not mean that everyone is clean... we would still see more AIDS and STDS than we already have... therefore ruining everything.
No, there would still be sanctions to where it was. Just like in Las Vegas, just because it's legalized doesn't mean it's allowed everywhere, like Oklahoma, didn't allow tattooing to take place in their state. The states would have hte power to regulate it as they see fit.
I take the stand if someone is going to cheat they are going to cheat. It doesn't matter if prostitution is legal or not. If they don't go to a prostitute they will go somewhere else like their secretary or such in fact that's the most common one. Yeah, they do split because people cheat but that's because people have an addiction to sex or aren't getting what they want from the relationship anymore and don't have the balls to stand up and say it. So that will continue to happen no matter what and I truly don't see how legalizing itwill make it more of a factor. In fact it would make it less because people that were from families would probably feel worse about going to cheat with a prostitute, because it's not sleazy or dirty anymore It's now allowed.
It doesn't mean it's more widespread. Just because it's legal doesn't mean more people will be going into it. Some protections do work, and how many abortions do you think are taking place right now? There are more in the home of a teenager than a prostitute. That's why you would have people tested instead of not. No because the state could sanction things like mandatory condoms, and such. With all the people that are overly sexually active in the world I highly doubt it. Plus the largest population of people with Stds is the older folks.. and I don't really see grandma or grandpa partaking in this
I think it wouldn't be a real bad thing to legalize it. Its gonna happen regardless.
I think while it seems "obvious" that if you look at prostitution from a labor rights perspective/health perspective, legalizing it would then in effect mean that "workers" would be safer and have rights. Prostitutes experience rape at least once a week. Legalizing prostitution will not prevent rape - what it does is legally endorse the rape of women/children. In legal prostitution the government becomes the pimp.
I think if you consider economic necessitation a "choice" where someone only has two options: the corner McDonalds or prostitution, is that really a choice?
But, it's not as simple as agency. Where there is prostitution, there is human trafficking. Yes, prostitution is legal in the Netherlands. But, government officials in 2004 explicitly said it was "a mistake." Why? Because what they found was that having a legal venue increased human trafficking. A majority of the women working in the industry are not natives/locals - they are predominantly foreign.
And... About our favorite Nevada state: human trafficking networks traffic women and girls throughout Nevada counties using the legal brothels as a front for legitimate business. You should looking up the Innocent Loss campaign. Nevada was one of the hubs for human trafficking. And if you have ever seen the Tyra Show where Dennis Hof brought his bunnies, what you don't see on the airtime is that one of the women says: I pretend to be someone else. This is a prime example of post-traumatic disorder in which this person is highly alluding to their body-disassociating disorder.
But in general, where has legal prostitution worked? No where. It's a sad attempt to perpetuate the colonization/exploitation of women's bodies through the rhetoric that it is "liberating" and that women have "agency." But, where is the liberation or the agency when the results are simple: the psychological and emotional trauma, and the physical scars if not STDS or some other form of phsyical disfiguring because of weeks/months/years of abuse.
Prostitution is not a liberatory space for women's bodies and legalizing it is not the way to go. The U.S. should draw upon the Swedish model.