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Third parties, as we are all by now aware, are the root of all evil. They undermine our political system and take away much deserved attention from the phenomenal and deserving Democratic and Republican parties. Thanks to people who voted for Nader in 2004, Kerry lost the election and the evil tyrant Bush won.

How dare they! They must be stopped! Right now! Before it's too late and we become a communist country!

Okay, so those of you who know me and my views by now are probably either giggling madly by now or thinking I've finally had a mental breakdown and have begun searching WebMD frantically for signs and symptoms of mental disease. Fallon, you're thinking, has lost touch with reality and could use one of those padded cells about now.

But no worries. I haven't done a complete about face on my views of third parties. Those are, sadly, only a very few of the statements I've heard about third parties over the course of the past few months. In the minds of many, third parties are a serious threat to the American political system and will, if not stopped, spell an end to the most amazing system of politics ever to grace this planet.

Of course I don't buy that. How could I? It's simply one of those things I can't even fathom. Third party candidates, contrary to the beliefs of the individuals who have tried to convince me of the statements made in that first paragraph, aren't the root of all evil. But, they aren't necessarily viable options in the majority of races. That, of course, isn't because I think they're a bad thing, but rather because of the two party mentality that is so prevalent throughout the nation.

The majority won't vote for a third party candidate because they believe a vote for a third party candidate is a waste of time. That candidate couldn't possibly win, so why bother throwing away a vote and possibly allowing the candidate you like the least to triumph?

Imagine for a moment, however, what would happen if everyone who had ever said that actually voted for a third party candidate. Take it a step further and imagine that third party candidates didn't have to fight the Democratic and Republican parties tooth and nail simply to be allowed ballot access in many states.

Now, isn’t that a sight to behold? Could it be as simple as changing people's minds (which is never easy) and create more fair ballot access regulations? Probably not, but it's a start. That, however, isn't what this is about. This is about another side of the third party issue. We'll box it out about ballot access and the two party mentality more later, but this time, I want to talk about third party candidates.

According to Wikipedia (I know, I know), the three largest third parties are the Constitution Party, the Green Party and the Libertarian Party. Countless other smaller parties are also in existence. And quite a few of those parties (major and minor, alike) have nominated their candidates for the 2008 presidential election.

Those candidates, of course, get very little press. ‘Tis the nature of the two party system at work. But anyway, feeling as I do about third party candidates, it's become my mission in life to inform everyone that has lodged a complaint against Obama or McCain that there are other options.

And so we begin...

The Libertarian candidate in the 2008 presidential election is none other than Bob Barr. Barr represented Georgia's 7th congressional district in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1995 to 2003, where he served on various committees including the Judiciary Committee, and the Government Reform Committee. He's a prosecutor and has various other professional accomplishments under his belt.

Barr's platform includes making significant cuts in government spending, restoring the writ of Habeas Corpus in an effort to put a halt to unlawful detention, halting illegal immigration by forcing a unified front of all governments, getting the heck out of Dodge (or Iraq as the current saying tends to be).

Having given you that much with which to begin your own investigation; I also feel I wouldn't be doing my American duty if I didn't mention that Barr has been incredibly bigoted toward Pagans in the military in the past, even going so far as to link Wicca as one of the causes of youth violence. I'll spare you the speech about my personal views of Barr, however, and we'll move right along.

The Constitution Party has nominated Chuck Baldwin as their candidate in the 2008 race. Baldwin is a pastor, has served as the State Chairman of the Florida Moral Majority, authored two books, ran a radio show, has been a political columnist and ran as the Constitution Party's VP nominee in 2004.

Baldwin's platform includes standing up to the Global Elite in an effort to restore the America republic's sovereignty, repealing the Income Tax, eliminating the Food and Drug Administration, enacting the Sanctity of Life Act, strictly enforcing laws surrounding illegal immigration.

The Green Party has not yet nominated their 2008 candidate. They will make that decision during the Green Party convention to be held July 10th through the 13th. And I will, of course, give you the dirt (as it were) when that happens. And before asked… I haven’t forgotten about Nader. I’ll provide information about him in my Independent Candidates installation. But, let's go back to these other two candidates for a moment.

Do I support either of these candidates (Barr or Baldwin)? No. But it isn't because they are third party candidates. It's simply because I don't agree with the positions of either candidate. That, however, hasn't stopped me from doing the research and it shouldn't stop you either. You don't have to vote for Obama or McCain, whatever you may have been told. There are other options. And you aren't going to hear much about them unless you take the iniative to do the research. I've started it here for you and will provide several other links below to make your task a little easier. You may find, like I have, that they aren't your candidates of choice either and that's fine... at least you've made the effort to get informed. But, you may just be surprised and find that one of these candidates (or one from another third party) is someone you can totally support. In the end... isn't that infinitely better that doubting your own decision when you cast your ballot?

Third Party Research:

Project Vote Smart candidate resources.
Wikipedia list of third party candidates.
Politics1 list of third party candidates.
Article on potential for third party win.
Historic look at third parties.
Third Party Watch.

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yourfuneralguy
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in reality got Bill Clinton elected in 1992
and we would have had 4 more Bush years.

A serious Third party candidate could still emerge.

Great post but you failed to mention Ralph Nader!

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No I didn't!

:P

I mentioned him specifically because I knew that someone would wonder why I didn't.

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I signed a petition here putting him on the ballot!

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Absolutely. As much as I dislike Barr, I signed a petition to grant him ballot access. I didn't put two and two together and connect that Barr with the one I've ranted about countless times at the time, but even had I connected the dots then, I can't say I would have done any differently. He won't get my vote, but he should have access to the ballot anyway.

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I signed a petition to get Nadar on the ballot here as well. I don't know if I will vote for him, I still need to research his views as well as some of the other third party candidates. I know I won't be voting for either of the parties you mentioned, as I don't agree with their platforms, but there needs to be more than two choices, as that enforces the idea of votiong for the lesser of two evils.

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/tricia0711

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this time is a living wage for all. Obama has sometimes talked about it.

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Well, the evil vampire looking mabob was supposed to be a tongue job.

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is tongue jobs. Please do not take this personally.

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rofl

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You rock Fallon. And I was giggling madly :)

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oldest tricks to find out what is going on is to play stupid.
Nader in 2004 is mentioned early on in the blog post.

As i suspected what is happening here at progressiveu is maybe a democratic prejudice. Nader is not the reason Kerry was defeated. Kerry was.

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Wasn't that the point of her post?

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

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yourfuneralguy
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Third party candidates have made a difference.
As i mentioned in 92 Perot got Clinton elected and the Republicans vowed to never let it happen again!

As i review this site it appears that you are quite astute.
Generally I do not agree with your posts opinion wise.
I do think you deserve to win the contest and are by far one of the best bloggers here.

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I was just telling my partner earlier this evening that I am developing quite a bit of respect for your comments, despite the fact that I disagree with them opinion wise most of the time! That's funny!

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

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I thought so, heh.

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mvenus929's picture
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I'm utterly confused as to why you respond to posts without seeming to actually respond to the comments you respond to. I didn't say anything about Nader, merely commented that Fallon was amazing for writing this post.

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yourfuneralguy
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sorry i actually have been shut in for almost a year and take this all too seriously and personally---

I thought you caught me playing it stupid.

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Well earlier I was trying hopelessly to find out the other candidates and so on to do a blog about the other choices and to encourage people to go ahead and break the two party cycle crap that has been giving us trouble.

Ha Ha .....> thats the change this country needs

SInce you have put it so perfectly here, and the darn computer keeps giving me the metaphorivcal 'internet finger' while laughing and saying I am not giving that info to you, I guess I will delete the empty document I had been trying to fill.

I tried to give you more then one vote of five stars by clicking it several times because I was so happy about this post...
~T

All truths are easy to understand once discovered; The point is to discover them ~Galileo

fallon's picture
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Feel free to take up the charge too; I probably won't cover them all (I don't have the time or the energy to do it). And it's always nice to see the information out there from different sources.

It's a relief to see that people are considering other options instead of voting party, as so often happens in these cases. Quite a few will probably opt to do so (vote party line) anyway, but it's nice to see that third party candidates are actually generating discussion and research instead of everyone automatically deciding to vote party. We had a comment on one of my volunteer groups from a staffer about voting party. That always bums me out, especially when coming from those who've taken up the charge of education voters about their options. Why vote for a party if you can't support the candidate that party has placed before you? To me, that's the equivalent of giving the party your nod of approval to continue placing less than adequate candidates on the table. Very disappointing.

Finding third party information is a chore; I've commented on that several times... which is partly why I linked the Wikipedia resources in this blog. Despite the fact that Wiki generally blows; it's great at listing other resources to weed through. Some of them are absolute crap; others are pretty freaking phenomenal. It's just a matter of figuring out which are which!

And thanks for the vote! :)

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They work for third party candidates.
So now you get to know how old I am.

I campaigned for the third party candidate -John Anderson on 1980.
Christians refer to me as the Ancient of days.

fallon's picture
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I did that for Jim Lendall (Green party candidate) in 2006. I didn't have a lot of time to devote because of my youngest nephew coming home with all the new absolutely terryfing equipment that October, but I passed out fliers, wrote letters, blogged about him, etc. He would have made an awesome governor. Unfortunately, after the entire fight to get ballot access that he and the Independent candidate had to endure, it was pretty much a lost cause from the beginning and Mike Beebe won. But; I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

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This year has put me in a pickle. Ever since Obama came out of the "Universal Healthcare" closet and the Libertarians put up Bob Barr as their nom (and Ron Paul refuses to foil his own party's plan of world moderation), I have absolutely no one (who is actually running) to vote for. This year, the first year I vote in a presidential election, I am sincerely considering writing in "nobody" per the advice of Wavy Gravy.

--Mike

ediblewoman's picture
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to get people to write in a candidate you WOULD like to see in office? I mean, I know you won't get them elected, but you might get someone to take notice of your candidate for the future if there were a couple thousand people writing in George Takei as their vote. (I just grabbed the first name that came to mind. I don't know why it was him).

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

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Because I really wouldn't like to see anyone in office. And there has been a grassroots movement for Nobody since 1972 (see the link I posted in the first comment). A vote "no" is not the same as no vote. Voting "no" on a referendum is not considered voter apathy, so why not "no" for a political office?

--Mike

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Mickey Mouse on the ballot.

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But Mickey Mouse (as far as I'm aware) isn't a political statement...

--Mike

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I think Mickey Mouse is for the best in everyone.

ediblewoman's picture
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I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you meant there wasn't a candidate running for whom you would vote. You are saying you want to do away with the office entirely? The whole Executive branch? I had never heard of this movement before. I'll google it, but do you have any sources you recommend I check out about it?

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

mvenus929's picture
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Yeah, Mike's an anarchist. He doesn't like government at all.

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ediblewoman's picture
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I forgot about that! I read his post a while back about that amazing anarchy convention he attended...amazing and stinky from the apparent disdain of showering.

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

embryowassup's picture
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I posted the link in a previous post. Here it is, Wavy Gravy's brainchild: http://www.nobodyforpresident.org/

--Mike

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