I disagree with embryonic stem cell research. I do not understand why the scientists keeps focusing on embryonic research when it has been shown that adult stem cells are as good, if not better to use than embryonic stem cells.
Doctors are persuading women to have abortions by telling them that their baby's stem cells can be used to possibly cure a cancer patient. But these women do not realize that their own stem cells that can be extracted without harm fom their nose can do the same thing. Stem cell researchers try to justify abortions by exagerating the significance of the stem cell research.
I'm all for adult stem cell research and hope that it may eventually cure horrible diseases. I just wish the government/scientists would stop misleading people into believing that that embryonic stem cells are better than those from adults.
Right on, nice post.
Please educate yourself on ESC research.
Concentrate on pluripotency, differentiation, rejection, and funding.
These will tell you why ESCs are better than adult stem cells.
It will tell you why adult stem cells are not as good as ESC.
You will need to prove that doctors are persuaging women to have abortions to collect ESCs. According to current regulations and laws, that is illegal.
Keep in mind that it doesn't do any good to make illogical arguments.
Its always good to see things from every angle before taking a stand. It's not good to take a stand that has no basis in actual fact, or just because someone your may respect told you to believe the way you do.
If you believe that life begins at conception, then just say so, and don't purchase anything produced by ESC research. Understand that the world would be a much easier place to live if everyone believed the same way, but that's not how things are. Americans allow others to believe in different ways, it's called freedom. Anything else is unpatriotic.
Anything else is unpatriotic? So everyone has to agree with everything the government is doing. I know that I don't. And George Bush doesn't even fully agree. He restricted the embryonic experimentation in 2001...obviously he felt that there was something immoral and wrong about it. And my stand is based on facts. I wouldn't post something like this with no knowledge or facts to back it up. I could possibly understand why people support embryonic stem cell research if there weren't alternatives. But there are! Adult stem cells can be even better because getting them from a patient's own cells ends the problem of immune rejection.
And just saying no to anything produced by ESC research isn't enough. If your belief is so strong about an argument, you want people to help understand why you have that opinion. Sitting back and being passive doesn't get anything changed.
Thank Youu!! someone understands! Adult cells are nto even as close to as good as embryonic cells. Adult cells can be rejected and can not divide correctly, therefore possible CAUSING cancer. Please look up information before you try to preach about them.
And what is your source that doctors have been telling women that their aborted fetus will be used? I would like to check it out.
Alicia
Yeah, I've never heard of a doctor telling a woman to abort her baby in order to use its stem cells....especially since GW Bush passed a law in his first term to pretty much prevent the collection of embryonic stem cells. They're also called "embryonic," and they are only really there for the first few days or weeks of an embryo's existence....so aborting an older embryo wouldn't make sense.
~Violinstef
"Keep in min that it doesn't do any good to illogical artuments" You just make the claim that pepper isn't educated on what whe writes about, but you offer no evidence to support it. To you I say "Keep in min that it doesn't do any good to illogical artuments"
Also why would you support everyone believeing the same thing, don't you support diversity?
i think yes stem cell research is a wonderful tool that could be used to cure many and taking embryonic stem cells is contreversial but i beliive as long as parents are well consented about these thing and not mislead
I'm just wondering, though, why not do more research with adult stem cells? People act like there is no potential in that field, but there is. If there's alternatives, why not take advantage of them?
Peppermint, do you have any articles or research to support the assertion that doctors are persuading women to have abortions "by telling them that their baby's stem cells can be used to possibly cure a cancer patient?"
That seems hard for me to believe. If physicians really told their patients that I would agree that constitutes unethical behavior.
For the sake of full disclosure, based on the little I know about the topic I do support embryonic stem cell research, but I don't think a physician should ever counsel a women to make her decision based on the benefits of ESC research.
I don't have the articles now but I wrote a report about stem cell research last year so that's how I found out about this stuff. And I know it's not legal to tell women that, but of course in any society there will always be unethical people.
I've heard they can get the same things they need from stem cells from placentas, I think they can find other ways of doing research without harming a child.
I am all for stem cell research because of all the potential good it can do. Convincing people to get abortions is wrong, but if they agree they do have the right to do what they want. I think they can also used stem cells from the placenta. Unfortunately, this world is filled with unethical people who are willing to do anything for money.
I'm wondering why people are protesting embryonic stem cell research. It doesn't matter if you support abortion or not, there are useful stem cells being tossed away. I would rather those cells be used to save soemone's life, as opposed to be thrown away because someone believes in double standards (OK, you think life starts at conception, but you think it's wrong to save someone who is undeniably alive?)
Plus, you all should really start reading the word RESEARCH. If we continue research on these cells, we may eventually be able to make our own artificial blank cells. THAT's the goal I want to see occur.
To mysticalmoonray: OK, so you're against abortion - but why are you against embryonic research? That aborted clump of cells could save someone who is undeniably living from a terribly painful death. Morals have no place here - the cells are already aborted, and if they don't go to stem cell research, they're thrown away in a biohazard box.
Personally, I'd rather those cells go to save someone - wouldn't you? Or are you only concerned with the fact that these cells came about because a mother wasn't able to take care of the child that could've developed?
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If a society is willing to give freedom for temporary security, they deserve neither.
Why don't people focus more on adult stem cell research? I'm 100% for that. But everyone wants to use the embyonic cells. And yes, the embryonic cells are better in certain cases, but studies have shown that adult stem cells have much more potential than people think, possibly even more than the embryonic stem cells. So I would love if this research could save lives...but spend money using the adult stem cells; not embryonic ones.
So you're advocating those embryos being thrown away rather than be used to save lives? Just because adult stem cells have potential doesn't mean we should get rid of all other options - especially when the other options have even greater potential, and the other options would make use of something normally thrown away in a biohazard box.
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If a society is willing to give freedom for temporary security, they deserve neither.
Yes, we should not use the aborted fetuses in stem cell research. If we do this, how can the government ever say when to stop. Some people say, well, at least use the ones that have already been aborted. But then when do we arbitrarily decide to stop? There will always be abortions, so the embryos will always be piling up. If we can't pick a set time to stop using them, then using them makes the abortion seem more justified to some people. Women may think they might as well have an abortion since their embryo could go to saving another person's life.
You're running on the very thin crust of 'maybe's there peppermintfrost. You're throwing a way out example there on a pretty simple topic.
Let's play fair here - no double standards - if we stop abortions, what next? We going to stop birth control, too? Or perhaps we'll stop freedom of speech as well; can't have those pesky atheists ruining religionist fun. La Guillotine, anyone?
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If a society is willing to give freedom for temporary security, they deserve neither.
Because that the fact that adult cells can cause CANCER!
Alicia
Good call xbot. "People will then justify abortions". People (like myself) already justify abortions, because it's legal. Regardless of what you feel about it, it is still and hopefully will always be a legal option for women. You seem to have conspieracy theories on doctors peppermint, in another blog you wrote an article on how doctor's prescribe women the BC pill no matter what without regard for their patient's well being, just to make a buck and that women shouldn't take the BC pill because it causes migraines.
Here's my outlook. If a 14 year old kid was riding a bike and hit by a drunk driver and was paralyzed from the waist down, destined to live in a wheel chair forever, and a woman was having an abortion because she was raped, and the abortion is going to happen REGARDLESS if the fetus will be used for stemcell research, why not use the fetus to potentially help the life of a child who already HAS a life? That child has a mother, father, family, friends, 14 years of life and experiences that can greatly benefit from someone else's decision. People aren't having abortions just to give their fetus' away peppermint, people are having abortions because they were raped, because they aren't married, because they had a one night stand, because they are only 14, because their father's will disown them if he finds out they are pregnant, because they are in MD school and can't afford it, because they aren't ready. People have abotions for a shlew of reasons, and I think if a woman is allowed to make the choice of keeping or terminating a pregnancy, she should be allowed to suggest that the fetus be used to advance medical research. Women who get pregnant and are willing to have a baby, or who want a baby, or who had sex just to HAVE a baby aren't going to suddenly be like "oh, hmm, well, i should abort the baby i want because it might cure cancer". It doesn't work that way, people who have abortions are going to have them, and people who aren't wont. End of story.
will, you should a lot of anger toward stem cell reaserach, but you cite george bush a man who thought that stem cell is immoral, yet, didn't said anything about all the dead iraqi, who have absoluetly nothing to do with 9/11. i agree with you when you said that there is always unethical people in society that will do anything to make a few buck...and you are right on target, just look at george bush, dick cheney, and the neocon that help kill innocent human being for oil. blackwater and halliburton are making billions of dollars off of the humen being that are being kill in iraq, halliburton and blackwater profits just increase. the oil law that george bush, dick cheney, and the neocon that is supporting that is going to privatize seventy percent of the iraqi oil, and they were only able to accomplish this after thousand of people are dead. so, yes, i want to thank your hero, lord and savior, george bush, a moral man, who oppose stem cell reaserch, but who couldn't care less about dead iraqi, america soldiers, and theose poor nigger in new orlean. yes, life is previouc only when it is an embryo, but once it is born, it is okay to kill them, because murder is okay, so long as the are not an embryo, let send all of them to war, kill...kill...kill...kill...kill all those humen being for oil...anyway you want it...kill...kill...kill...those humen being life have no value whatsoever because halliburton and blackwater are going to make profit and we need to kill them by sending them off to war so that they can make profit off of these humen being...hey, it is okay to kill them in iraq, becaus they aren't an embryo anymore, and lords, know if the lord and savior george bush said it is okay to kill..kill...kill...kill...kill...kill...kill...than it must be okay to kill...because goerge bush said so...so that means that those humen being being kill in iraqi aren't really humen being anyways...so, just kill them...dudh...we need to protect those embryos so that goerge bush can kill them in iraq...because halliburton and exxon mobile need to make money...just kill them all...must kill them all for oil.
i agree. stem cell research is def makes more sense and is found to be more effective. why not just stick with it?
...but it makes me wanna scratch my eyes out because of several reasons:
1) "Doctors are persuading women to have abortions by telling them that their baby's stem cells can be used to possibly cure a cancer patient."
This is one of the most bizarre, disrespectful and ignorant statements I've ever heard!
Girl, lady, whatever you are, please *think * before you say something like this on a public blog "just because".
"I don't have the articles now but I wrote a report about stem cell research last year so that's how I found out about this stuff. And I know it's not legal to tell women that, but of course in any society there will always be unethical people."
You've just managed to insult a few hundred millions of people! Moreover, you don't make any sense overall. Your priority should be registering for logic 101 asap.
For the person who asked for sources, come on, you're wasting your time :) I'm curious what grade she got on THAT report! And the teacher should be held responsible for not telling her that we should NOT VETO ANY GIVEN LAW/RESEARCH/POLICY just because "of course in any society there will always be unethical people". LOL.
2) There ARE real differences between embryonic stem cells and adult stem cells. In fact, go register for Bio 101 as well or open any biology textbook and EDUCATE YOURSELF!
Of course this doesn't matter anymore since IPS have been discovered in November 07, which eliminates the need of embryonic stem cells.