Why do African Americans like pushing matters to where fights break out rather then settle disputes diplomatically.
Now I guarantee some bloke will just comment my post by calling me a racist without reading anything that I'm saying so if you're going to do that go ahead. Everyone's a racist, if you think you're not a racist, you're ignorant. Let's be serious. It's not human nature. WE ARE ALL NOT EQUAL, stop striving to be. And most of all, STOP GETTING MAD because each race has a strength and weakness.
Now that's done.
I was in a mall the other day. It was a saturday night. I noticed the amount of police officers and mall security inside the mall. It was pretty surprising actually, since I rarely goto this mall. My friend said it's a normal thing. I never really saw this many cops in a mall before, in my life. Next thing you know a fight between two groups of African Americans break out. My friend proceeded to say, "That's why there's that many cops."
I was even asked to take off my hood because of gang problems....
The mall's demographics were primarily African Americans and Spanish.
Now if you think I'm racist.. Why is it that there is so much security in this mall vs other malls which the demographics are mostly Caucasian?
There obviously has to be some truth about certain races liking to fight. I'm sure that the cops weren't there just to "keep the black man down". The cops would rather be writing speeding tickets which actually make money.
The fact is this, can't we just learn to get along people. I mean, even if we have differences, can we just settle them diplomatically? Why can't we move on from being barbarians? We always talk about all our advancements in science and technology but how about our advancements in humanity. Can't we learn?
You would think after two world wars. But no, the third time's a charm. :)
for starters i am going to call you a racist. and im going to follow that up by saying that i am honestly not. but i really dont think you understand the situation at hand.. so i wont hold it against you.
as rescently as the 1960s prejudice against races other than white have been very prominent. When a black person can't get a good job, it is impossible for them to put themselves, or their children through college. Undereducated people are more likely to resort to violence. They are also more likely to have to work multiple minimum wage jobs simply to support their family. There is a cycle called the cycle of poverty. and with that i take you back 50 years. Blacks got less education than whites because plenty of schools were still segregated. It was also considered okay to pay a black less on the job than a white. So they were undereducated working 60 hours a week to support their faimly. Living in a bad neighborhood because it was all they could afford. This person has children who they raise in this "not so great" of a neighborhood. They cant afford to get a nanny for their kids. and they work so often that no one is around to spend time with this child. The child goes to school (non-segregated at this point) and receives a good education. But the child doesnt eat well at home because they cant afford it. He goes to a school in the ghetto because its where he lives. His parents were undereducated.. meaning they never taught him not to resort to violence. As he gets older he roams the streets with his friends while his parents work their minimum wage jobs. They all come from the same types of back grounds and when trouble starts to brew... they dont know how to deal with the situation properly.. so they fight. He will never go to college.... cant afford it. He might work for more than minimum wage but not by much.. a black kid from a bad area with no college doesnt get paid much. So he gets a low paying job where he has to work rediculous hours as well. He grows up to live in a not so great neighborhood with not so great neighbors. His kids will grow up going to a questionable public school, hanging out with kids who have parents just like him, and just like him they will never be taught proper ways to deal with violence. And the cycle continues.
Racism may not be the issue now that it used to be, but we're still dealing with the effects of the way we acted prior to the 60's.
maybe this helped you
*** And I'm going to follow up with the fact that it's human nature to be racist. Do you even know what the definition of racism is? You should look it up, I won't hold it against.
Also, please spell check your posts and create paragraphs. It makes it hard to fully understand your point and also degrades your point.
as rescently as the 1960s prejudice against races other than white have been very prominent. When a black person can't get a good job, it is impossible for them to put themselves, or their children through college. Undereducated people are more likely to resort to violence. They are also more likely to have to work multiple minimum wage jobs simply to support their family. There is a cycle called the cycle of poverty. and with that i take you back 50 years.
Is this the 60s? What year is it? 2008. Blacks have more opportunities than any caucasian to get money to goto school and even full rides. How are you going to tell me the white man has kept them down in todays society. THE OPPORTUNITIES are there, it's not my fault they aren't taking them. There is a cycle called the cycle of being lazy. With that I take you back to today.
I don't see your point in what you're saying. I'm talking about contemporary society. Affirmative actions has worked in the favor of minorities and numerous times I have witnessed this to be held true. So all this goes back to lack of motivation to be educated.
Don't go and tell me that blacks can't get jobs. Whites can't get jobs either. Infact, there is a JOB SHORTAGE in this country. MEANING EVERYONE CANNOT FIND JOBS. That doesn't mean that blacks have to start fights with people. *** Does not having an education really give you a reason to fight?
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***Edited by engkatiemarie for personal attacks 3/21/08 @ 5:07 PM EST
*** Who told you ignorance was human nature?
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
*** Edited by engkatiemarie for personal attacks 3/21/08 @ 5:08 PM EST
Do you know the definition of racism? There are several, but basically, prejudice or discrimination based on race. This was a racist blog, and yes, you are racist.
Just out of curiosity, what are the strengths and weaknesses of each race as you claimed?
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
Okay... If you didn't notice, I already accepted the truth so why do you state the obvious?
You should too. Everyone is racist. Everyone makes subconscious decisions based on race.
It has been proven in scientific studies that African Americans have smaller brains than caucasions.
But African Americans also are able to gain muscle mass and have athletic abilities taht no white boy ever could.
Don't get me wrong theres a difference between being KKK racist and just racist in general.
I mean I don't HATE any race, which thought one would be smart enough to see the right definition if they actually read my blog.
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I'm speechless.***
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
***Edited by engkatiemarie on 03/21/08 @ 5:10 PM EST
Then you should process statistics.
Please stop with the personal attacks, this isn't aiding to the discussion at all.
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I'm going to quote you on this one:
"Also, please spell check your posts and create paragraphs. It makes it hard to fully understand your point and also degrades your point."
http://progressiveu.org/000701-everything-you-need-know-about-poop
First off, we can't just make a general opinion based on one situation at hand. Okay with this scenario, YOU GOTTA consider other things such as: was there any weapons at hand? were people's life at stake. Just cause the individuals were African-American doesn't relate to the amount of the police. Because trust and believe, if there were two white people fighting, you'll probably expect the same amount of security, not just one because of a certain race.
I just wanna make sure me and you are on the same page when you made a comment on And most of all, "STOP GETTING MAD because each race has a strength and weakness." PLEASE CLARIFY CAuse THAT DO sound racist.
SINCE you did state in your blog that "ALL RACES ARE NOT CONSIDERED EQUAL" can you say then that most of the violence that we see on t.v are targeted primarily on African Americans more than other races? Example in the news(depending on where you live and alot of Black people reside in that area) If there's a murder, the general public will assume that a Black person did it based off of "black repuation:" It's like this FOR THE MOST PART when something goes wrong or a school is failing, guess what races is at fault for that? When a school receives a good grade or did something humanitarian, guess what races would be rewarded?
DOING THE DAMN THING!!
I have already talked about this.
There are numerous articles about the strengths and weaknesses of each race.
For example, It has been proven scientifically that Caucasians have a bigger brain than African Americans.
Brain size and cognitive ability: Correlations
with age, sex, social class, arid race
If you want to complain about the source, look at the rest of them here
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I see what you mean BUT BECAUSE WE ARE MADE DIFFERENTLY doesn't mean that certain races are at a disadvantage b/c of BRAIN MASSES. If that was the cases ALOT OF PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT RACIST WOULDN'T BE PROMINENT In what they did. Being made different DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EQUALITY AMONG PEOPLE. All people can be TREATED EQUALL if they stop thinking with ignorance and instead with qualities and character
Okay you said that if you don't consider yourself racist/believe tthat you're racist then that called ignorance right? So its okay to based someone SOLEY ON RACE and that's okay?? PLEASE RESPOND TO THAT.I gotta situation for you
If you and someone of a different race(for this example a black man) was applying for the same position at a company. You are more qualified for the position, posses more positive characteristics and could help the company grow. Okay, now the HR is black, and he picks the black guy because of his race only, DONT U SEE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT?
DOING THE DAMN THING!!
I checked out the article, and did the google search. There is no supporting evidence for your argument provided by Google, in fact, all of the entries that I looked at disproved it. Secondly, if you actually read the paper there are several flaws in the experiment design.Here is a portion of the paper discussing the findings of brain mass and race:
Modern studies have confirmed earlier findings. Analyzing
data on brain mass at autopsy for 1,261 American
subjects aged 25 to 80, after excluding obviously
damaged brains, Ho et al. (1980a) reported that brain
mass averaged 1,392 g in 416 White men (SD = 130)
and 1,286 g in 228 Black men (SD = 138), a difference
of 106 g. Similarly, brain mass averaged 1,252 g in 395
White women (SD = 125) and 1,158 g in 222 Black
women (SD = 119), a difference of 94 g. Although Ho
et al. (1980a) did not provide values corrected for age or
body size, the race differences in absolute brain mass
cannot be explained by those variables.....
The biggest flaw is that all of the groups studied are different sizes. 416 white men and 228 black men were studied. The standard deviation of 130 in white men causes the acceptable variation of mass to be anywhere between 1262g-1522g, and the acceptable range for black men to be anywhere from 1148g to 1424g. Because these ranges overlap, the results are considered to be statistically insignificant. Likewise, the ranges for black and white women, respectively, are 1039g-1277g and 1127g-1377g. This difference is also partially overlapping, and is not large enough to be considered significant.
Furthermore, even the author of the article mentions the insignificant result:
"Because this section may be contentious for some
readers, it is worth detailing the concerns of one reviewer
who found it "very misleading." He separated and reexamined
published data and concluded that race differences
in brain size were very small. For example, he
noted that cranial capacities of Blacks in the U.S. Army
sampled by Rushton (1992a) fell within the range of Europeans
from the International Labour Office sampled
by Rushton (1994), and he noted that the U.S. Asian/
White difference showed a race X sex interaction such
that a larger difference existed for Asian women relative
to European women than for Asian men relative to European
men. (In Figure 4, for example, Asian men average
smaller brains than White men until body size corrections
are made.) The reviewer also re-examined the
International Labour Office data presented by Rushton
(1994). He/she added to the analyses samples from
North and South India that had been explicitly excluded
by Rushton (1994, pp. 288-289, along with Latin American,
North African, and Southeast Asian samples, so as
to produce the "clearest" test of the racial gradient) and
thereby reduced the White/Black difference to nonsignificance."
Also, if you scroll down and read the references cited many are from pre-Civil Rights movement, and others have no relevance to the article whatsoever.
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Aged 25-80 looks to me like an obvious need for a split in age groups, not to mention there weren't enough numbers to even make it a viable source for anything.
In one of my psych classes, they really pushed the idea that size doesn't matter. Brain mass, I mean. It's all relative to the individual.
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
Wow. When you've got something to say, you've REALLY got something to say! And you did this at 4:16 a.m.? Props, my friend.
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This is ridiculous.
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
Let me think for a second.
Okay, I thought about it and I am NOT racist. Stop saying that everybody is racist. It just isn't true!
See above post. Enough said.
I'm not talking about hating on other races. I'm just saying there are differences between races. If you can't see that then there is a problem.
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
How can you say that you are exactly equal as the next person. Are all animals equal? NO.
WE ARE ANIMALS, WE ARE LIVING ORGANISMS.
There is a thing called natural selection. Please read into it.
If we were all equal, everything would be all fine and dandy and bliss.
To say we're all the same is outrageous and absurd.
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***Edited by engkatiemarie on 03/21/08 @ 5:12 PM
How can you say that you are exactly equal as the next person.
THE DIFFERENCES ARE BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS, NOT BETWEEN RACES!
Are we ok with personal attacks now?
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
Stop talking yourself in a circle, I gave you links to the articles. Please read them.
After being insulted by you numerous times, I will no longer further a discussion with you.
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Actually, I just took a class where we did cover those types of studies. I will tell you what we learned- intelligence and athletic ability are based on an individual and NOT on the individual's race. The thing is, we all knew that.
I only asked if personal attacks were ok because you called a girl ridiculous.
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
Goodness gracious thank you!
"THE DIFFERENCES ARE BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS, NOT BETWEEN RACES!"DOING that is true!!!!! THE DAMN THING!!
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
I don't believe we are all equal. I also don't believe one race is superior due to those differences.
And you asked somebody to stop personally attacking you, so don't personally attack me. I never said you were ridiculous so please don't be so rude.
Ok everyone, lets take a look back for a second here. Weezyf, small brain size doesn't mean lower intelligence. Take George Washington Carver for instance.
Now racism is first a human construct. Second, it doesn't exist except when we allow it too. As you've pointed out in this study that african americans have smaller brains but better athleticism and vice versa for whites. That shows a balance, not a betterment of any group. So truly racism can't work because it isn't there in nature. I'm skeptical on the study but that's just me.
Now racism is first a human construct.
Thank you, that is what I'm saying.
Where did I said they were off lesser intelligence, please show me a quote.
Second of all, how can a human not allow it too. Please enlighten me. And if we could allow it not to, how come racism is still rampant. Has there ever been a time period where there was complete unity, no. This shows racism is true. I never said there was an imbalance or betterment of any group did I? Please show me if i did. What I was saying is it logical to resolve conflicts by fighting. Haven't we moved on from such resolutions?
You can be skeptical all you want, the data is there.
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You didn't but then why did you make such a big deal about smaller brain size unless you believed that smaller brain size equals lower intelligence and ability to learn. You gave the perception that they were dumb even though you didn't mean to.
If I hung a noose on your door and you freaked out about it, that is called empowerment. If you take the noose down and throw it away, it shows that the noose isn't scary to you and it becomes nothing but a piece of rope. By freaking out everytime racism comes up, we are humans feed the fire for it. Unity existed in the beginning, the only reason it ended was because of murder based on entitlement of birth order, not because of race. Your argument only shows that unity never existed, not that racism never existed. You didn't say that but by definition that is what racism means. All I was saying is that it doesn't exist in nature because every organism is better at something than another, making them all about balanced out.
It isn't logical unless in self-defense.
ME: "Just out of curiosity, what are the strengths and weaknesses of each race as you claimed?"
weezyf: "It has been proven in scientific studies that African Americans have smaller brains than caucasians.
But African Americans also are able to gain muscle mass and have athletic abilities that no white boy ever could."
My thought process: I'm asking for a strength and weakness... African Americans have a smaller brain mass than whites, so I will interpret that to mean that you think brain mass = intelligence, so according to you, whites are smarter than blacks.
I really can't see how you can claim not have said that.
Social constructs are set up by the people in power to remain in power. This is why our our country is still so classist, racist, heterosexist, and sexist.
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
Maybe it's time we tear down the constructs?
Ignorance to other races, genders, sexualities, religions, and classes keeps the social constructs alive and breeding. Education would help, but if you spend your whole life believing that others are second-class citizens, it's hard to unlearn a superiority complex. I think the media and government keep this separation which leads many people fighting against each other instead of fighting for each other.
I don't think it's a lost cause. I think it is definitely worth continuing to fight for.
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
Why do African Americans like pushing matters to where fights break out rather then settle disputes diplomatically.
If you want to pick a group of people that STATISTICALLY choose violence over diplomacy, you'll have to say it's all males.
Everyone's a racist, if you think you're not a racist, you're ignorant. Let's be serious. It's not human nature.
Racism is ignorant. It is human nature to be curious, not really to judge or hold prejudices.
I was in a mall the other day. It was a saturday night. I noticed the amount of police officers and mall security inside the mall. It was pretty surprising actually, since I rarely goto this mall. My friend said it's a normal thing. I never really saw this many cops in a mall before, in my life. Next thing you know a fight between two groups of African Americans break out. My friend proceeded to say, "That's why there's that many cops."
So you took his comment to mean that there were so many cops there because there were so many black people there? It's a good thing you're not "KKK racist"...
I was even asked to take off my hood because of gang problems....
Gangs are a part of poverty-stricken areas. Even in the "white" malls here, they have rules against wearing hoods or colors.
Now if you think I'm racist..
Didn't you already say you are?
Why is it that there is so much security in this mall vs other malls which the demographics are mostly Caucasian?
You're looking at race when you should be looking at class. Is this a working class/poor area? Poverty breeds anger.
The fact is this, can't we just learn to get along people. I mean, even if we have differences, can we just settle them diplomatically? Why can't we move on from being barbarians? We always talk about all our advancements in science and technology but how about our advancements in humanity. Can't we learn?
You're "diplomatically" putting down an entire race of people. I'm a peaceful white girl, and quite honestly, if we had this conversation face to face, I probably would've already hit you.
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
End of story.
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Race is totally irrelevant. People living in poverty are more likely to resort to violence. It has absolutely nothing to do with skin color.
I second that.
I still thing gender plays a role, not out of biology but out of society's definition of masculinity.
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
it is biologically proven in psychology that males have a greater tendency towards aggression than females do because of the development of their amygdala and other such brain structures. I agree that society has an impact on this and may be a potential cause for the difference in structures over an evolutionary time frame, but the differences definitely exist biologically.
I think the tendency of violence is just a part of human nature. There are so many stereotypes about races, like with Hispanics, specifically Puerto Ricans pulling out knives, and with Africans Americans and guns, but everyone uses violence. I think that these stereotypes as well as the socioeconomic area in which the mall was placed would explain the increased presence of authorities. I know plenty of middle class whites who believe that violence is a means to exert their superiority over others. It can also be argued as a gender issue -- violence, but it is not a matter of one group of people, but a matter for everyone to consider, because it is something that affects all of us.
For those of you who commented on the blog, I think that you should look at the bigger picture: Violence is not a problem just in the mall, but all over the world. Why can't we as a human race overcome our need for violence and be able to create peaceful resolutions?
As I stated in the reply: "not out of biology but out of society's definition of masculinity."
I do believe you're right, though. Violence affects every group, well, everyone. Peace would be ideal, but our government is even teaching that we need to skip diplomacy (Iraq).
I think the racist tone in the blog is what set everyone off. I thought this was supposed to be about PROGRESS. Stereotyping an entire race of people is going backward.
-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."
I thought this was supposed to be about PROGRESS.
I ask that you read this blog about what progress is:
http://www.progressiveu.org/224712-subjectivity-defining-progress
I think it might give you a new perspective on progress and offer that even though you may not think this blog epitomizes progress, others may feel it does.
I just completely lost respect for you, weezy. I'm sad to say that because I've enjoyed reading your blogs, but I'm done. That was completely baseless and pointless. How does that progress anything?
;'(
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I do feel that this blog is very uncharacteristic of weezy, but you never know what blog he may come up with next... i am going to keep reading at least.
Would I be correct in rewriting this whole thing to say:
Stereotypes are usually somewhat based in reality, and that's really sad, because so many people are eager to believe in the worst of people, whether they mean to/realize it or not. People should be striving to change negative stereotypes rather than perpetuating them.
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I'm not gonna lie. I have a tendency to see the worst out of something, even when I don't mean to. I see a statement like "I'm not racist" and my subconscious reaction is to find racism in whatever else is said. It usually works.
But for some reason, I see this post and I can't help but think and hope that maybe it's a really good message lost in an... awkwardly worded post. That reason may be because I've read your other blogs and comments and you seem to be a pretty forward-thinking person. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
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"...There is a crushing guilt that comes with being a Catholic. Whether things are good or bad or you're simply... eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt."
-30 Rock-
Race is a social construct and has no roots in biological reality. In certain studies, the people of West Africa are more closely related to the Swedish than they are to African Americans. There are so many different genetic differences that you could base the idea of race on. It's also very difficult to identify and classify people according to race and ethnicity. Also, using one incident as an example does not support your hypothesis very well.
Also, did you consider the fact that perhaps the mall is located in a lower-income area, with higher crime rates? There is a correlation between poverty and crime rate. I'll admit that Hispanics and blacks have a lower average income, but you can't attribute that to race really. (In fact, I think Hispanic was considered white at one point--but don't quote me on this!) You could attribute it to discrimination. People (like you) often don't give certain people equal opportunities, not necessarily on purpose, and these people have to face obstacles. As a result, anger is understandable and while I would not condone crime or fighting, I understand the desperation and frustration.
I'm Asian and I've faced discrimination as well. In fact, one person offered me a job MUCH below the going rate on the basis that Asians do work and don't argue and will accept any pay. Not acceptable. On average, it takes Asians higher SAT scores to get into college than Caucasians and Asians have a higher average income in America. I would definitely not attribute this to the "fact" that Asians are smarter or harder workers. It could be a cultural thing.
I would not classify myself as a racist, but I'll admit that I have my own horrible stereotypes and I discriminate. The thing is, I try to overcome this and I understand that while the group as a whole has a higher crime rate and more violence, I would never apply this to the individual and I would never attribute this to their race. (One of my closest friends is half black and he is the sweetest, nicest person ever. He would never react violently and is so kind and extremely smart.)
I don't want to antagonize you or attack you, but I certainly disagree with many of your statement. If you could take these things into consideration, I think you'd really benefit from it. Understanding that the troubles within a community are the root of the violence and crime rather than the race of the people within the group would give you a more tolerant worldview. Perhaps you should connect with someone and try to understand and see beyond their race.