One last push! Can 20,000 more troops lead us to victory in Iraq?

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Bush plans ONE LAST PUSH in Iraq!

President George Bush has told senior advisers that the US and its allies must make "a last big push" to win the war in Iraq and that instead of beginning a troop withdrawal next year, he may increase US forces by up to 20,000 soldiers, according to sources familiar with the administration's internal deliberations.

Mr Bush's refusal to give ground, coming in the teeth of growing calls in the US and Britain for a radical rethink or a swift exit, is having a decisive impact on the policy review being conducted by the Iraq Study Group chaired by Bush family loyalist James Baker, the sources said.

And the REPUBLICANS are telling the Democrats, "IF YOU WANT TO WIN, GO ALONG WITH BUSH's LAST PUSH PLAN!" 20,000 more troops AND eh's going to 'negotiate" with middle-east ALLIES to 'win the war,' while EXCLUDING nearby neighbors who are 'unfriendly to him." That means...more of the same strategy. Stay the course under a new heading!

Another one for the heading, "They think we're stupid."

Really, the stupid ones are anyone who thinks "One last push for victory" means a victory is possible. High level advisors already stated specifically, "Bush is in a STATE OF DENIAL about Iraq and he thinks we can win."

This makes me ill! If he wanted to WIN he should have stuck to toppling Saddam and then inviting the International Community to healp IMMEDIATELY with repairs and infrastructure. Instead he went about it half-brained and greedy and vindictive.

In the meantime, while Bush wants to send in 20,000 more troops to die for a lie, his daughters and other family members sit comfortably in their "Support our Daddy" mode while refusing to put their own lives on the line.

Somehow, Mr. Bush and these Republicans might feel differently if they actually invested their own lives and those lives of their family members. It's easy to send others to die when you refuse to allow pictures of grieving family members or pictures of coffins anywhere near the population.

I HOPE newly elected DEMOCRATS PUT THEIR FOOT DOWN AND SAY "NO" to Bush. I hope soldiers say "NO" to Bush. I hope generals say "NO" to Bush.

THe war must stop and we MUST STOP THIS MADNESS.

Its just FRIGHTENING, the damage that Bush's anti-reality-check bubble has done.  We deserved better than this, as did Iraq, and the UN, and the rest of the world.

I love how with this newest push, there's no plea's to send UN assistance in as well as our troops!  Admittably, they might not be terribly eager... but more to the piont, it would look to Bush like a request for help, and he doesn't want that.  PArticualely with pretty much every news outlet claiming he's "asking dad for help". 

But it IS time to put our collective feet down.  NO more wasted resources.  NO more dead troops.  NO more no-bid contracts to buddies.  Ultimately, we bear responsibility for allowing this monster to infiltrate our government.  Maybe we didnt wait long enough in 2000 for recounts, or protest Katherine Harris' partisan cheating.  Maybe we ignored evidence of fraud in 2004, or didn't speak loudly enough to condemn it.  But we HAVE spoken this month, and every move Bush makes to avoid our will will only erode him even further. 

DO you think people can't see through this Junior?  "MAYBE we'll win with 20,000 more troops" is the same as saying "because we wont win any OTHER way, contrary to my 'stay teh course' rhetoric".  Not a message he wants.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/16/ucla-student-tasered-in-library/

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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egads thats more than a bit scary... I'd be curious to know more facts, the story was a little bit vague... IE how long did the student delay leaving, did he in any way provoke the guards, etc.

Cuz certainly from this angle, it DOESNT look good....

But you may have missed seeing the outbreak of death threats from the freepers. As Taylor Marsh and Crooks and Liars points out, "Why isn't the media condemning them the way they would condemn a left-winger for the same behavior?"

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/16/right-winger-promotes-murder/

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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Been trying not to let up-I think the boredom would drive me insane!

But yes, i have missed that! It is disturbing how these "terrorists" are held in SUCH different regard than if they were, say, arab, or muslim. They're destroying us from the inside out.

Here's some breathtaking historical revisionism. Mitch McConnell, discussing the judiciary, says he expects the Dems to extend the "same level of cooperation we extended to President Clinton." Guess that means a lot Bush nominees will be denied any hearing at all!

http://www.tristram-shandy.com/2006/11/mitch-mcconnell-we-expect-from-them.html

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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haha crazyness! Gues they dont like it now that the tables have reversed...

PBS’s NOW: Uncovering How Soldiers Really Died
By: Nicole Belle @ 2:50 AM - PST
PBS.org:

Dozens of families say the military has misled them about how their loved ones died, and the army has officially acknowledged seven instances of misinformation. In the most high-profile case, the army is finishing its fourth investigation into the death of former pro football player Pat Tillman in Afghanistan two years ago. This time, they are investigating to see if facts were intentionally covered up. But Tillman is not the only disturbing case. On November 17, NOW talks to the mother of Army Pfc. Jesse Buryj, reportedly killed by friendly fire in Iraq. In the midst of its second investigation, the army will deliver its report to Peggy Buryj on Friday.

"They have two options: to tell me who killed my son, or to have a very good reason why they can't figure it out," Buryj tells NOW. "Those are their only two options. And one will not be acceptable."

NOW's David Brancaccio will also interview Tyler Drumheller, a 25-year veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency for his insight into past intelligence blunders and what anti-terrorism tactics we can expect from the CIA moving forward.

Starting this Friday, the NOW website will present more of NOW's interview with Peggy Buryj as well as a web-exclusive NOW on the News interview with U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) on his upcoming chairmanship and expectations for the Democratic-led Congress.

http://www.pbs.org/now

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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so sad and stupid. I cant even imagine what these families must be going through right now! Must be like their soldier being killed all over, to have to visualize so many scenarios, nad to know that they were decieved regarding their loss...

Just disgusting.

Keith Olbermann did an segment on John Moody's "The Fox memo" that the Huffington Post revealed. Robert Greenwald explains…

Video-WMP Video-QT

Heads should roll, but they won't. FOX has a function to fill for the administration and fill it they will. The sad fact is that Conservatives will probably watch FOX even more now. Root, root, root for the home team…

Newshounds: 'Live Desk' Follows Script of Fox News Memo

Cenk Unger: Will John Moody be Forced Out of Fox Like Dan Rather from CBS?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/15/the-fox-news-memo-explored/

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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that clip is a MUST SEE! Yay for KO!

gracious low blows!

*does happy dance*

dont let them sweep it under the table, keith!

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Colbert-LimbaughWater.wmv

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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that one had me giggling up the walls! "I think your confusing honesty and consistancy!" hahaha!

Thanks!

November 15th, 2006
Judy Miller has second thoughts on the Bush Administration
By: Nicole Belle @ 5:15 PM - PST
Wow, Judy, it only took you 85 days in jail, two ill-planned wars that have gone all to hell, a record deficit, the disdain of the global community and the shredding of the Constitution to figure this out? Welcome to the reality-based community.

Topeka Capital-Journal:

Judith Miller, a former New York Times investigative reporter who went to jail to protect a confidential source, said the balance between national security and civil liberties has been tipped, allowing the Bush administration to become secretive about its decisions, intrusive into public lives and reluctant to share information the public has a right to know.

Miller said many Americans don't understand how their access to information and the freedom of the press have been affected in the past few years.

"We are less free and less safe," she said, explaining that there is a "growing secrecy in the name of national security." Read on…

This is my favorite part:

"I'm worried about bloggers," she said. "(A post) starts as a rumor and within 24 hours it's repeated as fact."

While she advocates a federal shield law to protect mainstream journalists from divulging their sources, she doesn't favor extending that to bloggers who don't follow the standards and [ethics] of the journalism industry.

Et tu, Judy? Really, you want to talk "rumors repeated as fact," not to mention standards and ethics? All those "WMDs in Iraq" stories you submitted to the NY Times makes that glass house from which you sit just a wee bit fragile.
http://www.cjonline.com/stories/111106/kan_miller.shtml
http://www.cjonline.com/stories/111106/kan_miller.shtml

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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Judith Miller scares me. Definately not a good reporter, and definately not anyone I"D trust for good information....

She does put out good points occassionally, but usually far far far too late!

speak up BEFORE the war..."

Finding their conscience waaaaaaaaay too late.

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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Better late than never... but not by much.....

Your new dem leaders.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Congress-Leaders-Glance.html

(I say 'courage' because you realize the r-ringed smear machine is gearing up....

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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true-they'll need it in dealing with a president spoiled by the enabling actions of his parties control over congress.

hes not happy, neither will the press be...

EIther way, tis gonan get messY!

of this. And now more people are 'fessing up too. THey were all right! We should have started with a PLAN to win the peace even if it included more troops at the onset. Had we...we would not be in this quagmire today.

http://blog.johnkerry.com/2006/11/shinseki_was_right_and_other_t.html#comments

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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its a shame people didn't listen sooner... Kind of pisses me off actually.

At any rate, the more people recognize it teh easier time we'll have changing it. Kudos to teh man for being right all along.

Wounded Vets Have Payroll Problems
By: Nicole Belle @ 4:54 PM - PST
ABC News' The Blotter :

We first spoke with former Staff Sergeant Eugene Simpson at the beginning of this year. Simpson was paralyzed in an IED attack.

The Army had mistakenly continued to pay Simpson a combat duty bonus while he was in a military hospital. Simpson himself hadn't noticed the error until one day his paychecks stopped coming. The Army was docking his pay until they got back the thousands of dollars that Simpson had been overpaid. Thousands of dollars that Simpson and his children needed to pay their bills. Read on…

ABC has related video

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/11/wounded_vets_do.html

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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OUCH! Talk about supporting our troops..... those poor families!

I hope that SOMEONE gets fired over that! And i hope that the familiesa re able to pull through wtih ABSOLUTELY NO income until hte military wises up adn fixes the mistake.

Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator,reveals the insights of Democratic Senator Bob Graham in a recent article. Graham was right on target stating that the hijackers from 911 had domestic support and contact through a Saudi source.

From Graham’s book, Intelligence Matters, the Senator states:

“It was as if the President’s loyalty lay more with Saudi Arabia than with America’s safety.” Further, he states that he asked the FBI to undertake a review of the Riggs Bank records on the terrorists’ money trail, to look at other Saudi companies with ties to al-Qaeda, to plan for monitoring suspect Saudi interests in the United States; however, Graham adds: “

Lets see the corporate media get busy on this. It is a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY

...and if you EVER have someone tell you that DEMOCRATS are weak on national security, haul out a copy of this article, or better yet, Sen. Grahamn's book and quote thema few lines...it's the whole truth and the start of an unraveling that will take place.

November 15, 2006

Part 1: The Foreign Agent Factor
http://tinyurl.com/y6wwo9

By Sibel Edmonds

Senator Graham’s Revelation

It has been established that two of the 9/11 hijackers had a support network in the U.S. that included agents of the Saudi government, and that the Bush administration and the FBI blocked a congressional investigation into that relationship.

Snip

Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. Those 27 pages have almost been entirely censured ….The declassified version of this finding tells the American people that our investigation developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. In other words, officials of a foreign government are alleged to have aided and abetted the terrorist attacks on our country on September 11, which took over 3,000 lives.”

In his book Graham reveals, “Our investigators found a CIA memo dated August 2, 2002, whose author concluded that there is incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government. On September 11, America was not attacked by a nation-state, but we had just discovered that the attackers were actively supported by one, and that state was our supposed friend and ally Saudi Arabia.” He then cites another case, “We had discovered an FBI asset who had a close relationship with two of the terrorists; a terrorist support network that went through the Saudi Embassy; and a funding network that went through the Saudi Royal family.”

The most explosive revelation in Graham’s book is the following statement with regard to the administration’s attitude on page 216: “It was as if the President’s loyalty lay more with Saudi Arabia than with America’s safety.” Further, he states that he asked the FBI to undertake a review of the Riggs Bank records on the terrorists’ money trail, to look at other Saudi companies with ties to al-Qaeda, to plan for monitoring suspect Saudi interests in the United States; however, Graham adds: “To my knowledge, none of these investigations have been completed…Nor do we know anything else about what I believe to be a state-sponsored terrorist support network that still exists, largely undamaged, within the United States.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2730074&mesg_id=2730074

***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***

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oy. have they NO shame?! Seriously! TALK about loyalty to the saudi royal family-FRIENDS of the Bush's costing our nation so much!

HOW DARE bush try to point the finger at saddam while ignoring that!

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