We hear so much about equal rights for women, but is it really the women who are unequal? Men do run much of the world, granted. We do tend to make more, sure. But when it comes down to looking at overall, women have it better than men.
Who is first on the list to be saved in a crisis? the women an children. What about the men? we die too.
Who is expected to make a majority (at least 67%) of the hosueholds income? the man. Why cant we stay at home and do nothing.
What happens to the man when he is subjected to battery from a woman? almost nothing. In a relationship, the woman has all the benefits of dont hit me because im a girl and the man has nothing.
Who's decision is it to abort a baby? the woman's. It is just as much teh man's child as the woman's, shouldn't he have some say?
Men aren't equal, face it.
Bring it on Neofeminists.
Okay, so of course men and women aren't equal, theyre completely different in physical and emotional ways, and can't always be treated the same. Why are women and children saved first? Well of course children because their young and still have a life ahead of them and women becuase theyre the nuturers, yeah its changed over time but women have always naturally been viewed and the ones that take care of the children. Why are men expected to make more money? A lot of times in the work place women are discriminated against, so men have more opportunities to make more money. Men can usually get jobs easier as well as promotions. And for the battery case? Men and women are completely different in physical ways, where men are bigger and stronger and can hurt a woman (usually) much worse than a woman can hurt a man. And a man does not have to carry a baby for 9 months as well as go through the pains of giving birth!Men and women can never been seen as completely equal because were so different.
if it's the woman's decision and only hers then men shouldn't have to pay child support. Women arent the only ones who have to sacrifice for a baby. And just because a woman is built differently than a man doesnt give her the right to hit or hurt a man and not suffer the same consequences. Most workplace "cielings" for women have been removed and women now adays have just as much opportunity to make as much as a man, if she is qualified enough. Women can get jobs as easily as a man if their resume' is well enough put together and attractive enough.
Just because women can nurture children doesnt mean that they should be saved first. A father can take care of a child just as well as a mother, they can even nurse babies if they want. In my opinion, the way a father raises their child is better than the way most mothers raise their childs. Women tend to be 100% protective and comforting while the father teaches through experiences. Women wont let the child go anywhere near the bee hive and will do everything in her power to keep her child from being stung. The father says "dont go over there, dont touch that, you'll get stung". If the child still does it, and gets stung, they know not to go near bees nests. The child who isnt allowed to go anywhere near a bees nest is still curious and wont learn until they get stung.
Your arguements are hardly valid. They hold some value but still dont answer my questions to why men dont have equal rights.
That should stir the conversation pot a little!
I can't believe that you think women who stay at home do nothing, boy do you have that wrong. Being a stay at home mom is a full time job. You should try it some time...
And why are women and children usually saved first... well because there is this perception by society that women are not as "strong" as men, that there is something "precious" about our feminity and therefore we can not protect ourselves and must be preserved like some little doll.
Men make more in the work force, men have some many more options, men are seen as accepted members of the public sphere. Watch out though because women have been fighting hard for their proper place in the public sphere and our determination and hard work is starting to pay off.
So you agree that they shouldnt be saved first? You'd like to get rid of the notion that they cant fend for themselves and "be preserved"?
Thanks for agreeing.
Stay at home mom isn't a full time "job". Playing with your child isn't work, it's something that fathers do in their leisure time because they love their kid. Sure, changing a diaper here and there, and feed the kid. Not that hard of work. Cleaning doesn't take up 40 hours a week. Neither does the work part of caring for a child. Combined they might make 15 hours.
Women arent accepted? What, are they not humans or something? They are accepted, you would notice that they are if you walked around a business place somewhere. My father works in sales and he has multiple women coworkers. Women can be anything they want to be if they are good enough, whether they are willing to work that hard is up to them.
Watch out? I'm not saying women shouldnt be accepted, I'm saying they should be. And they should work as much as men. We fight for the same thing but for different reasons and from a different perspective.
"Stay at home mom isn't a full time "job". Playing with your child isn't work, it's something that fathers do in their leisure time because they love their kid. Sure, changing a diaper here and there, and feed the kid. Not that hard of work. Cleaning doesn't take up 40 hours a week. Neither does the work part of caring for a child. Combined they might make 15 hours."
You've obviously never taken care of a kid for more than a few hours at a time. Fathers are great at taking care of children in their leisure time, because they haven't had to put up with the temper tantrums, the crying, screaming, complaining about wanting something and not being able to get it ALL DAY. You say it like it's such an easy task. So on top of dealing with everything the child throws at you (possibly quite literally), stay at home moms have to deal with any injuries, prevent the injuries, make food for the child while making sure it doesn't get into trouble, cleaning up after the child if she wants to have a decently clean home, and then making dinner all during the day. You try it sometime. Being a mom is a full time job, whether you're a stay at home mom or a working mom.
A lot of the idea of saving women and children comes from the mentality of men themselves. My boyfriend is convinced that his job is to take care of me and protect me, even though I'm perfectly capable of doing it myself. He'd risk his life to save mine just as I'd do the same for him.
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Women do not have it better than men. Women are still fighting the glass ceiling, phimos. Maybe they're finally ready to make it big. But for some reason women face really maddening stereotypes. For instance, a woman who works as a CEO at a company is seen as a total b**** (for lack of a better term) just because she is a strong woman in authority. Now if she were a strong man in authority, the reaction would be completely different.
Americans are still far more likely to vote for a black or Jewish person over a woman. Men pretty much rule the world, especially the United States (they own all the major corporations, have all the top jobs, and make the most cash). But I digress-women have made significant progress. Amazingly, women are the heads of states at some smaller nations.
And besides, men wanted the responsibility of going off to war. Or they thought it was their duty. Or expression of masculine honor. Or, they thought they were the ones to take that responsibility because "men can't work with women without getting distracted" (maybe true) and "men are more physically able than women" (true on average) or "men are more capable commanders than women" (unfortunately because of sexism, that could be true, since no one might take a woman seriously).
Unfortunately, as men and women we face stereotypes...men are supposed to be the authority figure, the breadwinner for the family, and women are supposed to sit in the back burner. Well whatever, this post is officially too lengthy ;)
get your stats right. 92% of Americans said they would vote for a female president if she is certified and 86% said they would vote for a black man. Those were done recently because of the hype of the 2008 election, even though Obama isn't black, but that's a different blog. I'm pretty sure being at home and cleaning the house/doing the bills/running errands isnt at 40hr a week job. There is more freedom, not many reprimands for skipping a day, and less pressure.
I dont see women CEO's as b****es. I dont see men different either. I'm making this arguement from a fairlyu neutral standpoint. the fact that there are women CEO's is proof that the glass cieling can be broken.
Women are leaders of smaller countries? Why dont you look at Canada and look at the Leftwing leader there. Hint Bill Clinton is dating her.
Hey, I would want women to be included if there was a draft. Die right beside me as an America, and prove that you want equal rights.
And I would obey my commander if she was a woman if she knew what she was doing. Women can be great commanders and leaders, just look at the brave women throughout history.
Men are expected to make about 67% of the household income, the women the other 33%. This was a study done in America last year. Ok, so there is a difference, why not make it 50% 50%?
Your arguements use the utmost extreme worst cases for your side. Overall, there is almost no glass cieling, unless you count womens' fear to hold a position of power and responibility.
Who is first on the list to be saved in a crisis? the women an children. What about the men? we die too.
Well, most men that I know wouldn't WANT to be saved. They would say "No, no, I can save myself." Besides, I don't know about other women, but I tend to dissolve in a crisis and have a very difficult time helping myself. Boy, I just made myself look like a baby.
Who is expected to make a majority (at least 67%) of the hosueholds income? the man. Why cant we stay at home and do nothing.
First of all, many women do not stay at home and do nothing. If a woman is staying home at all, she has a full day of household things that is not "nothing," it's actually a very tiring job. Second, even more women are not staying home. Though only 40% of the workforce is women, that's hardly "sitting at home doing nothing." In response to your remark in the above comment about the ceilings in the workplace being removed, I'm sorry but you are very misinformed. Women are paid 76 cents for every dollar men received for comparable work. That explains why 60% of the working poor are women. Ceilings are gone, you say?
What happens to the man when he is subjected to battery from a woman? almost nothing. In a relationship, the woman has all the benefits of dont hit me because im a girl and the man has nothing.
Alright, you've got a point, but it's much harder to prove that women are beating their husbands because the courts probably don't think a woman is capable.
Who's decision is it to abort a baby? the woman's. It is just as much teh man's child as the woman's, shouldn't he have some say?
If you're going to tell me that I cannot have an abortion, you can't take off. The problem is that many young men take off and do NOT pay child support.
Men and women are not equal, but in no way are women better off.
I think most men would say they should be saved. If their life is at stake, most people wont give a $*** about the people next to them.
60% of the working poor are women. Maybe they should get better jobs? they make up a majority of the working poor because they dont get above the minimum wage level. Those working poor didnt go to college and didnt get the education necessary for a higher paying job. Maybe the women should start persuing higher careers?
Full days of household things? In one 8 hour workday i could make my house 100% clean enough to eat off of anysurface. What are you going to do the other 4 days of the week? There isnt a full days work in one house.
Women make less? Maybe they should have better credentials and preform as well as the men and they would get equal pay.
Pertaining to the women beating men, thanks for agreeing. But even if it isnt persistant, and it is a one time thing, then women still has a easier time getting off than a man. All the woman has to do to get the man convicted is cry, have a bruise, and make it seem like the man did it. What does a man have to do? A hell of alot more.
Im not saying you cant. I would like to say that you shouldnt because there are alternatives. But it isnt about the men that do leave, it's the fact that the law allows women to make the decision and still makes men pay child support. Either it is both the parents child and they both decide on abortion and the man pays his part or the women gets to decide and gets to pay for her child.
The reason the majority of the working poor are women is because they are doing the same job as men, but are being payed less. It's not the women's performance that's brought into question. In fact, in some settings, the woman will perform BETTER than the man in the same job, but will STILL get paid less. It's not just because women have entry-level jobs, it's true in the case of managers, CEOs, etc. The simple reason is that women are paid less because they are women. Plenty of women are doctors, surgeons, lawyers, CEOs, and so on, but they are UNDERPAID because they are WOMEN. Just google anything like "women wage difference" or "working women" and you'll realize it's hardly because of the unwillingness to pursue a higher career. Actually, I'll do the work for you. This is the first article to come up: The Wage Gap.
When a woman is a stay at home mother, yes, it's a full day of work. The minute you clean something up, your child has spilt something else on the floor. When you pick that up, he's quickly taken to throwing every toy in his toy box on the floor. Feeding the kid dinner? Well, now you've got to clean up the mashed potatos he threw at the fridge. Once the child is put to bed for the night, or down for a nap, you've got to do all the things you couldn't do while he was up - laundry, dishes, etc. Trust me, it's not easy. Maybe you could make your house spotless in 8 hours, but if you throw a kid in the mix, forget that!
if you are in poverty, you aren't working a very good job, and chances are, you are working a minimum wage paying job. Even if you work a minimum wage paying job, you can still be considered not under the poverty level. Work 50 weeks out of the year, 40 hours a week. And there has to be a reason for women being payed less, otherwise they would be paid the same. If CEOs want to pay their workers less for some reason other than preformance, then it has to be validated otherwise they would get sued instantly.
I can Google just about anything and get some evidence for it. If i type in "9/11 government", I guarantee some crackpot will have a site saying the government planned 9/11.
You cant use a search engine as a source of truth.
Even doing all the things you said around the hosue with a kid, it isn't that hard. I have a little brother and i cared for him and it wasnt that hard. Honestly, just dont give them things that can spill easily or that they can throw onto things. It takes less than a minute to clean up mashed potatoes that are spilt, i've done it before. Toys take less than 3 minutes to clean up.
Put the kid in a little play pen area with a couple toys. Turn on Seasame Street or Blues Clues. They will probably fall asleep anyway. Caring for a baby isnt a full time job. And like i said, a majority of caring for a child is not work, it is playing with them. Fathers that work do that in their free time, and i'm sure they clean as well.
Throw a kid in the mix and it will take maybe 16 hours. BUt 8 hours of that is caring for the child. 8 hours out of a week to care for a baby/toddler.
Still cant thwart my arguements.
Excuse me, but my family just comes above the poverty line, and my mother is a nurse, which is NOT a minimum wage job. The cost of living for a single mother with two children just tumbles us into just lower-middle-class. You have no right telling me I'm blind and mistaken when you can't accept that the women that are in poverty are not poor because of their TYPE of job, but because of the fact that they are women.
The fact is that sexual wage discrimination goes unnoticed in the workplace. Women know that if they bring up the fact that they are paid less than Joe Schmoe over there in the same job, they've got two problems. First, they aren't supposed to delve into the wages of others. Second, they know that it's not going to do much of anything except risk their job.
When my aunt had a baby a couple of years ago, she couldn't afford to stay home from work, nor could her husband, nor could they afford daycare because a baby is expensive. So for the entire summer I stayed with them. I was taking care of the baby from the time he woke up at 6am til my aunt got home around 8. In no way is it all "playing." You cannot keep that baby out of sight for a minute because that minute you turn around they've gotten into something. You can't just stick them in a playpen all the time because then they're screaming bloody murder and after about an hour of that there's only so much you can take. Seriously, if you think that a it's only eight hours a week to take care of a baby, my goodness you are mistaken!!! And once they start walking... forget it.
I can see that my reasoning is going to get nowhere with you because you obviously have no experience other than caring for your little brother. I'm sure you didn't care for him 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Ask any stay at home mother, and most will tell you that out of all the jobs they've ever had (usually not minimum wage, either!) it is the hardest thing they have ever done.
Nurses arent usually men, so you cant say that men get paid more than her for doing the same job, because they wouldnt. Women are too afraid to point out that they are getting paid less? Bull Shi*. They could easily take the company they work for to court and win. I know plenty of single moms that arent poor, therefore, just because you are a woman doesnt mean you have to be poor.
Maybe that baby you were taking care of was a crazy demon child but my lil bro slept for almost 12 hrs out of the day. That gave me plenty of time. and they dont always scream bloody murder if you put them in a play pen. even if they do, you arent supposed to go give them more attention, they need learn that screaming does nothing, and yes, babies can learn. That's why when you hear your baby screaming in the middle of the night, you dont go and rock it or hold it after a certain age. Most of it is playing. Even feeding babies is sometimes playing.
when they start walking, take them outside and let them run around with a ball, they'll tire out. then plop them down on the couch and let them watch blues clues until they sleep. that's what i did. worked everytime.
ok, i'll ask them, and i will get mixed answers. ask a stay at home dad where he'd rather be, at home or in the office.
He'll say at home everytime.
I give up. This doesn't mean you win, it just means that I've come to accept that nothing I say will make you think otherwise. Go on and keep thinking women are lazy, etc. Have fun with that. I wash my hands of this.
and i bite my thumb at thee
How old was your little brother last time you did this?
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he was a newborn to toddler. I still take care of him on a daily basis.
"60% of the working poor are women. Maybe they should get better jobs? they make up a majority of the working poor because they dont get above the minimum wage level. Those working poor didnt go to college and didnt get the education necessary for a higher paying job. Maybe the women should start persuing higher careers?"
Perhaps, ........part of the reason for this is because these women felt they had no choice but to keep the baby and the father ran off a few years after the baby was born and so the woman had no time for education and is now busy trying to juggle the bills, day care, and her low paying job????
That should get some more conversation started.
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Ok, and whats the ratio of abandoned women, who dont have a above poverty level paying job, and dont have a family friend or family member taking care of the child to the amount of women in the world? I'd say it's maybe 1:1000. And that was generous. It's probably less than that. That is 0.1%, not 60%.
yippee this is getting easier and easier.
I'm totally cool with having my husband be a full-time stay at home dad while I go out and make all the money. But he will be working full-time, taking care of our children. Women who abuse their husbands should be punished. There are women how physically abuse their husbands or boyfriends, but most women abusers inflict emotional or psychological abuse on their partners.
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Thank you for agreeing. Please let your husband/future husband stay at home if he so wishes. And trust me, it isnt a full time job. Maybe a 16 or 20 hr a wekk job, but not full time.
My boyfriend respectfully disagrees with you.
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do you disagree with me? because if you do, that is probably why your bf disagrees with me. :)
What I find interesting is your inability to HEAR what everyone else is saying. I get what your saying... taking care of kids is not as hard as everyone says it is... and that's fine, that's your opinion. But, here's the thing, you simplify and generalize taking care of children, when the fact of the matter is raising a child is SO much more then cleaning diapers and feeding them, and watching them. The most difficult part comes when they start making decisions for themselves, its constantly TEACHING them right from wrong, teaching them to be successful human beings. Teaching them to be good people. You can certainly tell the difference in people who didn't have this growing up. (obviously I am willing to admit here that there are always exceptions to the rule). But, you cannot put a hrs/week or hrs/day on raising a child. Because it varies every single day, and bottom line is when it comes down to it, as parents, we are "ON CALL" 24hrs/day 7days/week. At least some are, some simply don't care, but that's another whole blog. I just went through on of these recently with my sick 10 year old who was up almost all night coughing and all I could do was hold her and tell her everything would be ok, this lasted for 3 days (I did not get more then 3hrs of sleep each night for those three nights) I suggest you stop trying to simplify child rearing and really SEE what I am saying here.Oh and lets not forget the one thing every parent does to one extent or another, WORRY, that is a ball of stress all by itself. I will not argue with you about the men and women being unequal because I don not believe anyone would be able to convince you otherwise anyway. I will say this, there are inequalities for men and women. There are inequalities on just about everyone, not just men and certainly not just white men.
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teaching is very simple, it just takes time. most teaching comes through playing. Blocks, hammer and shapes, coloring, etc. The easiest way to teach your child is through communication. Simply talking constantly to your child and getting their speaking skills higher than normal speeds up brain development. The increased ability to communicate allows you to teach them that much easier.
I would much rather be a stay at home dad and not have to worry about making money and supporting my family on top of having to come home and get up and help my sick child and worry about how they are doing during the day.
Chances are, that wont happen.
being a PARENT is a 24hrs/wk 52wks/yr job, not just a stay at home mom.
You wrote : being a PARENT is a 24hrs/wk 52wks/yr job, not just a stay at home mom.
I wrote: But, you cannot put a hrs/week or hrs/day on raising a child. Because it varies every single day, and bottom line is when it comes down to it, as parents, we are "ON CALL" 24hrs/day 7days/week.
So I'm not quite sure what your point was, because I did not say a stay at home mom was I said a parents job was 24hrs/day 7days/week. Seems like a little bit of your steam wore off. Is that because I made a valid point or what?
You wrote: teaching is very simple, it just takes time.
That was exactly my point.
How old is your brother now?
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You have to understand what women do and the emotional conflict in the household. Over 50% of children are raised in an envioroment where the father is gone and the mother has to work 2 or 3 jobs. The mother has to pay bills, put food on the table and take intrest in the child or childs school ant their activities. I come from a seperated family and my mom has 4 children. I belive that the father should pay child support because the mother needs needs help. On the abortion, I belive that no one should get an abortion at all because the child is a gift from God. I agree with "I will say this, there are inequalities for men and women. There are inequalities on just about everyone, not just men and certainly not just white men."
I think you bring up an interesting point.
Why is it we feel the need to save women first? Why do women get away with hitting men but not vice versa? Why do women get to make the abortion decision on their own?
When do they save women first? I am not sure if this actually happens anymore. Children they save first because, well, they are children. They can't save themselves and they have not even had a chance to live yet. In the past, when women got off the sinking Titanic first, women did not have real rights. They were the little housewives and men felt a duty to protect their family. I think that family situations are just so different now that, for the most part, people are not going to feel the need to save women first.
I think it also has to do with the status of men. It is no secret that for the most part, men want to appear tough and "macho." Saving women first gives men a sense of dignity and respect.
As far as men getting away with hitting men, I do not think this is accurate. Battered women are much weaker physically than the men that hit them. Not only this, they are emotionally unstable and do not do anything to help themselves. They lie and say it was an accident. Men on the other hand, are more capable of protecting themselves on average. I am sure there are some women who could beat up some men. But men who get beat are definately in the minority and are just speaking out about it. I think with time, as more people speak out, the courts will rule equally on men and women for battery.
Finally, the big abortion question. I realize that women should consult their man before aborting their baby. However, I think it would be a better idea for men to actually talk to women before they get in a physical relationship. If you care enough to want a baby with someone, shouldn't you make sure first what her stance on important issues, such as abortion, is? I can see both sides of this story.
If a woman has a baby, she is the one who has to spend nine months being pregnant. She is the one who is stuck with a child if the dad bails. Its her body that changes and she is the one who gets the stretch marks and weight gain. If you are not in a serious committed relationship, I can see why a woman would want to have an abortion to save herself from going through all that. Talking first would save men from having to deal with this.