Every individual desires equality, especially here in the United States. Every one of us is human, we all love, and we all make decisions on what we believe is right for us. It is understandable that there are different beliefs of right and wrong and that everyone sets their own acceptance level based on their perception of that concept. Unfortunately, people on the left and on the right, ideologically speaking, have exploited the same-sex marriage debate in attempt to sway others in one direction or another. Nevertheless, same-sex marriage (SSM) is an issue that is being discussed, with regularity, around the world, as well as here in America. How ever someone may feel on the topic, some believe it is essential to look at the interesting similarities on both sides of the issue. Although some people find it morally unacceptable to allow same-sex marriage, others find it to be an equality issue that needs addressing. Therefore, leading society to the question, should same-sex marriage be legalized?
Andrew Shead, a professor at the Moore Theological College of Australia, who specializes in the Old Testament, asserts that the Bible describes a consistent and unambiguous condemnation of all forms of homosexual activity, but “that what counts is not whether homosexuality happens in nature, or feels ‘natural', but whether it is God's will for humanity.” Shead goes on to explain, “Now that we have the correct values we can correctly interpret the meaning of the events and experiences which would otherwise remain ambiguous: if its cause is genetic, homosexuality must be considered a disorder […]. If its cause is environmental, homosexuality must be considered a dysfunction, and the sufferer a victim of circumstance” (2). This viewpoint has been very common and until recently was considered a real dilemma with the backing of the psychological field. In fact, according to Kranz and Cusick, The American Psychiatric Association only removed homosexuality from it's list of mental disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual II, it's official catalog of mental and psychological problems, in 1973 (125). Homosexuality was considered an actual disease and/or dysfunction and many people still believe that remains true.
On the website, Matthiasmedia, Ross Allen maintains an opposition to SSM. He clearly has a set of values that does not allow for the acceptance of SSM. Allen starts his argument with, “When we go back to the basics of marriage in Genesis 1 and 2, we can see that, from God's perspective, marriage is intended to be an exclusive, life-long relationship between a man and a woman” (2). If one is raised a particular way, it is clearly understandable that they could think this way as well. Mr. Ross further adds:A key argument used to justify their position [on SSM] is that the Bible is silent on the existence of ‘loving, faithful, monogamous' same-sex relationships. As far as I can tell, the Bible is also silent on the morality of chopping someone up into little pieces using a machete. Machetes don't get a mention in the Bible, but … the command to not commit murder [does]. (2)
Clearly, this strong statement is a difficult position to counter and in all honesty could be found acceptable by people on both sides of the issue. Although some would disagree, many people would perhaps concur with Mr. Allen's depiction of acceptable and unacceptable.
In addition to Christian organizations, there are also legal opposing views; if SSM is legalized then it is argued that it will lead to group marriages (polygamy), incestuous marriages, and marriages between animals and humans, but let us just articulate on one of these, polygamy. Dr. Mohler, who has been recognized by such influential publications as Time Magazine and Christianity Today as a leader among American Evangelicals states:
There is good reason to worry. The movement toward same-sex marriage will surely lead to the legalization of other forms of “marriage” as well. The logic is undeniable, [and] is increasingly recognized by legal scholars and public policy experts. In reality if marriage can be redefined as anything other than the relationship between one man and one woman, it can mean virtually anything. As a matter of fact, a change in the understanding of gender related to marriage is, in a historical perspective, more significant than a change in number. (2)
Some feel that people should stay within the realms of their own lives, and stop meddling in the lives of others, but is this consequential to the overall understanding, acceptance, or denial of SSM? As represented in the cartoon below, Mike Lester shows what is commonly thought of as “The Future of Marriage” if gay marriage is allowed. It illustrates a line of people waiting to get married: two men, two women, a fork and a spoon, a woman and her dog, a man and his toaster, etcetera. Although some may find this cartoon comical, there are those who believe this is, in fact, the future of marriage if SSM is legalized.
There continues to be people who are opposed to SSM; however Scott Bidstrup, a free-lance writer and political activist who has been active in human rights issues since 1994, argues from a tolerant perspective. Bidstrup asserts that,
Gay relationships are immoral. Says who? The Bible? Somehow I always thought that freedom of religion implied freedom from religion as well. The Bible has absolutely no standing in American Law, as was made clear by the intent of the
First Amendment (and as was very explicitly stated by the founding fathers in their first treaty, the Treaty of Tripoli, in 1791). (3)
He also goes on to describe, “If one believes in religious freedom, the recognition that opposition to gay marriage is based on religious arguments is reason enough to discount this argument” (3). Therefore, an opposition to SSM based on religious views, according to people like Bidstrup, should have no standing anywhere in the world, but especially here in the U.S., where our founding fathers explicitly foresaw issues of Church and State and did their best to prevent the merging of the two. Do people believe in Civil Rights? Bidstrup explains what he considers as hypocritical thinking:
Ask just about anyone. They'll all tell you they're in favor of equal rights for homosexuals. Just name the situation, and ask. They'll all say, yes, gays should have the same rights in housing, jobs, public accommodations, and should have equal access to government benefits, equal protection of the law, etcetera, etcetera. Then you get to gay marriage. And that's when all this talk of equality stops dead cold. More than half of all people in the United States oppose gay marriage, even though three fourths are otherwise supportive of gay rights. (1)
Therefore, the thought left to consider is that people like Bidstrup believe that homosexuals do not deserve to be singled out or denied the basic right of marriage, and if one takes into consideration that in 1967 the “U.S. Supreme court overturned all state bans on interracial marriage, declaring that the “freedom to marry” belongs to all Americans” (“Marriage”), then perhaps one may be persuaded to at least keep an open mind about gay marriage. One may also ask another who is opposed to SSM to consider the following possibility. A man who has repeatedly abused women, maybe even raped and beat them, can easily go and get married if he finds the right woman to agree, yet two people who love each other and would die for one another, maybe have been together for most of their lives, are not allowed that same privilege because they are of the same sex. Many consider the right to freedom of religion is a civil right that is being infringed upon here, and that the majority of uneasiness about SSM stems on religious morality. Bidstrup points out, that in most states homosexuals cannot make medical decisions for their partners and hospitals are often times forced to go to families who may have been estranged because of conflicting morals, and if the family wishes, may exclude the partner from the hospital room, legally. It is not uncommon for such family members to make decisions based on their hostility with results consciously intended to be inimical to the interests of the patient (8). Therefore, Bidstrup and others like him feel as though people who are opposed to SSM believe that homosexuals deserve equality just not when it comes to the institution of marriage.
It remains clear that both sides of the SSM issue have their reasons for believing as they do. However it is not difficult to see what they have in common. People are a product of their environment, just as much as they are product of their genes. Controversy surrounding homosexuality still exists and will continue to exist, whether people assume homosexuals are born that way or that the behavior is learned. No matter what the case, the mass majority of people value life. Some homosexuals and heterosexuals even value relationships. They all want to be able to pass along their possessions and legacy to the ones they love and everyone, I believe, wants to be able to trust that if a medical emergency bares its ugly head, that they have the closest person, perhaps a partner, there to make the important decisions, if one becomes unable to do so. No one really wants to think about that possibility, but anyone, at any moment, unfortunately, can be put in that situation.
To advance on this critical issue, we could all learn from our children. For example, if you put an ethnic child and a white child in a room together and if neither one was taught that the other is unacceptable, they may be curious about the difference of skin color, but beyond that they would judge each other based on personality alone. They are not likely to dislike each other based on the difference of skin color. Suppose one changed this scenario around to include a homosexual, would the results be different? Prejudiced is a learned behavior, and would likely not exist if people did not fear what they did not understand. If one looks back at the editorial cartoon that I chose “the future of marriage,” it is also possible to see a certain amount of absurdity in the concept that if SSM is legalized this will lead to different types of marriage, such as marriages with the animals, and marriages with inanimate objects. This is a fairly common argument against the acceptance of gay marriage; however, it is also a slippery slope argument, as is the cartoon itself.
Homosexuals want to marry for a number of reasons. Not one of those reasons is about ruining the sanctity of marriage or the uncontrollable urge to marry a dog or a toaster. Homosexuals want equality and the ability to have the same legal benefits as heterosexuals. I heard on the radio (AM 1360), not too long ago, a caller said, “If you don't accept Same-Sex marriage than don't do it.” Which I believe says it all. Mary Mendola is quoted as saying, “Lesbian and homosexual couples are involved in marriages and committed relationships that are as meaningful and as valid as any heterosexual marriages sanctioned by a church or state. Churches and states do not sanction a relationship between two people. Couples themselves sanction their relationships.” When a heterosexual couple gets married, in most states, they automatically receive many benefits. They can receive tax benefits, estate planning benefits, which include exemptions from gift taxes, and obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for a spouse. There are also the government benefits of Social Security, Medicare, and Disability. There also exists employment and medical benefits. Obtaining medical insurance through a spouse's employer, taking family leave to care for an ill spouse and taking bereavement leave, in case of a family death, as well as, the ability to see a spouse in the hospital while in intensive care, when they need all of their loved ones the most, and making medical decisions if he or she should become unable to express their wishes for treatment (“Marriage Equality”). There are more legal benefits, but they are rather redundant. The point is marriage offers many benefits that gay couples cannot receive and hetero couples take for granted. Interestingly, in a recent U.S. census printed in The New York Times, “The share of households with married couples in the United States dipped to a historic low of 49.7 percent in 2005. More than 90 percent of the 612 countries surveyed had a decrease in households with married couples from 2000-2005” (Roberts). If one looks at marriage statistics around the world it should be fairly easy to discern that many heterosexuals do not believe in the sanctity of marriage, even among themselves. Thus, leading to the question, should heterosexuals have the right to try and deny someone, who does believe in a legally binding, life-long committed relationship to another person, regardless of gender, the right to marry?
Besides legal benefits, there are also concerns about whether or not to deny gay marriage is, in fact, an infringement on an individual's Civil Rights. Societies have long recognized that allowing civil rights to certain groups may offend some, and at times even the majority. That is why constitutional government was established – to ensure that powerless, unpopular minorities are still protected from the tyranny of the majority. How many southern whites were once uncomfortable with allowing blacks to ride in the front of the bus, or allowing black children to attend the same schools as their own, or allowing black adults the right to vote? Many men, in general, were upset that women won the right to vote and own property, and no longer had to live as property. Although, at first, these rights upset a large number of people because they did not agree that these people deserved these rights. Now, however, people look upon these issues as the ancient past and the accepted way of life.
Is there justification for not legalizing same-sex marriage? People are allowed to not agree with it, but because there is such thing as Civil Rights and equality, people then should consider legalizing SSM. Homosexuals are human, just as human as any other minority, and do not deserve to be discriminated against because they want to have a meaningful relationship with a person of the same sex, a right that heterosexuals take for granted. Look at the divorce rate, should the human race say that because the divorce rate is so high no one should get married? No, of course not, but these people, who oppose SSM, articulate that two people who love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together, can, just not with the benefits of a legal marriage. Having a double standard for any person reeks of past racial inequality's we dealt with here in America not too long ago. Therefore, it is hoped by some that people of all walks of life will one day look back at the issue of SSM and see it as an ancient past as well. Marriage is not open to all loving consenting adults, the question that then remains is, should it be?
Works Cited
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Bidstrup, Scott. “Gay Marriage: The Arguments and the Motives.” Sept 1996. 7 Apr 2006. <http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm>.
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Ok that's cool.
Seriously though it's very simple.
Marriage is a RELIGIOUS union.
The Bible defines religion as only being between a man and a woman.
There for the concept of a religious marriage has no place on any piece of legislation. (That whole separation of church and state thing.)
If homosexuals want civil unions, fine. But it's no one's place other than the church to define marriage. . . and well that's already defined.
Maybe you should read this,
http://www.progressiveu.org/182233-civil-unions-vs-civil-marriages
The part I do not understand is, If we find a church or court house to marry us (homosexuals), what business is it of anyone else's. As Ed Schultz says, Just because my neighbors gay, them getting married doesn't mean it's going to ruin my marriage.
Marriage is a religious union for SOME people, but in this country (the U.S.), the law is secular and applies to ALL citizens, regardless of thier religous beliefs.
Of course, the idea that marriage is HISTORICALLY a religious unions is simply false. The christian church didn't even start performing marriages until somewhere aroung the 13th century C.E.. Even in the context of English and U.S. jurisprudence, the marriage contract originates in English Common Law, and pre-dates the introduction of christianity into the British Isles by several centuries.
Historically, the first recorded "institution" of marriage is found in the Code of Hammurabi, a secular system of laws. Religion is very much a latecomer to the game of marriage, despite what the historical revisionists might try to tell you from the pulpit.
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I love this article as I love all of Celia's, because of their through research and sources.
Personally, I'm getting married to my girlfriend in a commitment ceremony when I'm eighteen, because to me marriage is a vow to love and remain with someone for life, and that is not taken from me just because the state won't give me a paper and says "La la la, that one didn't count, la la la!"
However, my girlfriend is diabetic, so the possibility of me needing to make a legal or medical decision is great, and it does scare me knowing that I may not be allowed to have that right. I live in the South, so the chances of even civil union being legalized in my state any time soon is a pipe dream at best.
I liked Lewis Black's comment about separation of Church and State. "Of course, they've forgotten we have a thing in this country called the "separation of church and state" or, as I like to call it in layman's terms, "the tough sh*t law." I myself am a Christian, and don't believe that God would hate His children because they love the same gender. My religion is based on universal love and acceptance, because God forgives and so should we. When I questioned a homophobic friend about this aspect, he said "I skipped that part." And all I could say was "You can't skip that part! IT'S WHY THEY WROTE THE BOOK!"
it has lots of research to back everything up. i feel that gay should be able to be united in ways like marriage but not. like we should still get the benefits for marrage as a union. say my partner goes into the hospital. i couldnt see them because i am not family but if we could have something that would join us so that we could then that would be great and it doesnt have to be "marriage" parsay just a recognized union.
Thank You.
A lot of work did go into this and the hardest part, honestly, was trying NOT to come off biased of one side of the issue or the other, at least not until the end. I believe I attacked this topic from an unbiased perspective, perhaps I could be wrong but I don't think so. If anyone does, please let me know.
Ceila
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ceila30
http://www.progressiveu.org/160156-facing-same-sex-marriage
"The American Psychiatric Association only removed homosexuality from it's list of mental disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual II, it's official catalog of mental and psychological problems, in 1973 (125). Homosexuality was considered an actual disease and/or dysfunction and many people still believe that remains true."
So science persecuted Gays..........Persivale?
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I was going to point out one fact already mentioned, that marriage has been a legal government controlled institution for longer than it has been a religious one, at least in Christianity. The connection is a vestige of State sponsored religions. Between this fact, and the very clear wording of the Constitution any ancient biblical interpretations only apply to some peoples opinion, and should be ignored by the rule of law.
Individual churches should be allowed to perfom their own services in accordance with what ever custom they follow, but Law needs to protect every minority from all state sponsored discrimination.
A fact is always better than an ideal
Part of the beauty of science is that it loves to prove itself wrong, and the researchers that led this change had to stand up to a LOT of pressure in order to pursue the truth. Even before that, science wasn't "persecuting" gays, it was trying to cure something that they thought was a disease or disorder.
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"Vi Veri Vniversum Vivus Vici." ~ V.
Someting that was not there?
I just thought it was funny in light of who you like to claim is responcible for that persecution. Let me see 2500+ years ago old testament or 34 years ago science. Just ironic that one gets all of the blame from you. Not suprising though since you see yourself as scientific. Have you ever read about electroshock therapy. In light of what we know today it reminds me of exorcising devils. Those christians were trying to save souls. I should note that EST actually worked, about as well as torture did.
Just so you don't cherry pick a meaning from this I am saying that the blame is Human ignorance in both cases.
A fact is always better than an ideal
Ok but.......... I'd like to hear an intelligent response to your original comment that led you to this blog --paraphrasing here-- it was something along the lines of who has rights? or who says we have the right to marry?? Perhaps, my paper (blog) was enlightening or did you just look at it like rhetoric?? I'm am honestly curious.
Ceila --
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ceila30
You will probably find as many opinions on this as there are people. I am politically a convinced non-joiner. I might have a lot in common with libertarians, but having a platform and political party seem like the slippery slope towards big government and hence repression to me.
Rights are inherent in every individual at birth (maybe before that). They cannot be granted by civic authority, only denied of protected. By necessity our rights are infringed by our parents as we must learn to be responsible for our own actions. This paternalistic authority is the basis for governmental laws on victimless crimes.
Government is originally a totalitarian institution, and even the most enlightened government today still rules through force. This is the nature of the beast, and is unavoidable. Limiting the powers of government, and placing hindrances on it when it creates new rules is perhaps the most brilliant thing our Constitution does. The Bill of Rights legalized Gay marriage over two hundred years ago. Mob rule through democracy held back its implementation, and still does. It is not the only victimless crime that is still persecuted. The common thread in all of these crimes is that making them illegal does not prevent them.
Marriage that matters most IMHO takes place in the hearts of the participants. A government license to love someone else is a comical concept from the outset. Since these licenses are issued, and benefits bestowed upon the recipients, it can be argued that discrimination is being perpetrated on all unmarried people. Most couples affected by this discrimination are not gay. Polygamous and same sex unions are not allowed access to the marriage benefit gravy train, unlike heterosexual couples that choose not to marry.
From my nearly anarchist point of view it is the issuance of a license that grants unequal treatment to some citizens that is the root of the problem. If gay marriage were universally legalized tomorrow (as it will inevitably be soon) only a small fraction of the total injustice, and violation of the constitution clause guaranteeing us 'equal protection under the law' would be erased.
The only decent justification that I have heard for this is to benefit and encourage couples raising children. This could be done by targeted benefit for children and the people raising them with out denying anyone’s rights. While it is true than intact families are better for children, it is hard to use this fact to justify giving less support to single parents that need it most.
A fact is always better than an ideal
> Someting that was not there?
Homosexuality was in the DSMII, and was widely considered to be a psychological disorder. However, the APA reconsidered the classification in light of (then) new research that indicated that the diagnosis was flawed, and removed it as such from their listings.
> I just thought it was funny in light of who
> you like to claim is responcible for that
> persecution.
Can you define "persecution?" Here, let me help you...
persecution - "a program or campaign to exterminate, drive away, or subjugate a people because of their religion, race, or beliefs."
Please explain how you equate doctors attempting even a cure to a perceived disorder as "persecution." The previous diagnosis was mistaken, nothing more.
> Let me see 2500+ years ago old
> testament or 34 years ago science.
> Just ironic that one gets all of the
> blame from you.
It isn't "ironic," but rather a simple realization of the real sources of the real persecutions that gays and lesbians have suffered over the centuries. Despite your desperate desire to defect attention from the fact that religion (and in the West specifically the christian religion) has been directly responsible for the attitudes that precipitate the discrimination that gays and lesbians face. The fallacy of your comment can be seen in the way that you attempt to imply that the attitudes that originated more than 2000 years ago in the history of your religion have not been maintained and re-promoted consitently by the religious establishements of christianity.
Here we are, more than 2000 years later, and yet still the vast majority of christian denominations actively pursue an official campaign of discrimination against gay and lesbian people. The reason that I am more willing to "forgive and forget" when the barely comparable foibles of science are concerned is that once the phenomenon of homsexuality began to be studied extensively by the modern scientific community, they did an almost immediate 180 degree turn based on the evidence of their research and restructured their practices and policies accordingly.
The original supposition that homosexuality was a "disease" orinated in the work of Richard von Krafft-Ebing in 1886. It took the scientific community less than 100 years to completely reverse its course, and within 25 years of the change in the DSMII, the scientific acceptance of the nature of homosexuality has become a clear consensus in all of the relevant fields. That certainly seems to indicated that science has a much better track record than the religious brutality that your religion has inflicted on us for more than a millenia.
> Not suprising though since you see
> yourself as scientific. Have you ever
> read about electroshock therapy.
Yes, and probably in a great deal more depth than you. And, the correct term for the treatment is actually electroconvulsive therapy, just in case you didn't know.
> In light of what we know today it reminds
> me of exorcising devils. Those christians
> were trying to save souls. I should note
> that EST actually worked, about as well
> as torture did.
When used ignorantly, I'm sure it does. ECT however only surfaced as a treatment in the early 1930's, and didn't really begin to be widely used as an attempted treatment for homosexuality until the 1950's. So, in less than 20 years, the scientific community was already abandoning this treatment due to its ineffectiveness in changing people's innate sexual orientations. It is also important to note that ECT was not uniquely directed at the "condition" of homosexuality. It was attempted as a "cure" for a wide variety of perceived and actual mental illnesses. It is still used to day in very rare and cases to combat extreme cases of schizophrenia and a few other similarly severe disorders.
> Just so you don't cherry pick a meaning
> from this I am saying that the blame is
> Human ignorance in both cases.
The difference is that the people you want to defend (i.e. your religious brethren) are still deliberately clinging to their ignorance despite all of the evidence that has been presented to them, while the scientific community examined its own theories and methodologies and chose to abandon their ignorance immediately upon the presentation of the evidence which showed then that they were wrong.
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"Vi Veri Vniversum Vivus Vici." ~ V.