For some reason people always forget about a very important part of abortion while engaging in this debate: timing. Many people who say they are pro-life are fine with an abortion being done in the early stages of a pregnancy. They just oppose an abortion being done in the later months of a pregnancy, when a fetus can actually feel.
I think that legislation banning late-term abortions and allowing abortions in the early stages of pregnancy should be passed. This a fair compromise to what will be a never ending debate. Today, women can easily find out whether they are pregnant or not. So if a woman wants an abortion, that is fine as long as she gets it done before the fetus is developed to the point where it can sense.
There is one irony that applies to people who believe a woman should be able to have an abortion done whenever. If they believe that, then they must not consider killing the unborn baby murder. Well then, if someone kills a pregnant woman, why is he or she charged with double murder. The Supreme Court ruled that the right to abortion falls under the implied right of privacy. The Supreme Court then has decided that unborn babies are not humans. So a murderer should not be charged with double murder when killing a pregnant woman. In no way am I supporting murderers here. I believe that the double murder standard should be kept. But I am just pointing out the irony that in the case when someone else other than the mother kills the unborn baby, it is double murder. But when the mother kills (chooses to have a doctor kill) the unborn baby, it is not murder. Some women argue that it is their baby, so it is their decision. Well it also their baby once the baby is born, but they can not have their baby killed then if they wanted to.
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uuummmm interesting. Think about this, you say timing is a key factor in the debate on abortion, maybe, but then you go on to say feeling is the reason timing is key. I find that interesting because this is how i see it. Timing = Key and Timing = Feeling. I feel it's a sensible conclusion to conclude that Feeling = Key. By the way the relationship is more complex than "=" of course, but you get the point. Now if it's alright to kill because the person been killed can't feel the pain; do you think it's alright to kill everyday folks by lethal injection? The ones that wont cause any pain? What do you think?
Abortions are not legal because "the person been killed can't feel the pain." Abortions are legal because the mother's right to privacy during the earlier stages of pregnancy take precedence over the potential rights of zygote, embryo or fetus growing inside of her. Like many pro-life arguments, your example relies on the inaccurate assertion that a zygote, embryo or fetus is "person" in the same sense and with the same rights and privileges as "everyday folks." The Supreme Court in Roe ruled that "the word 'person,' as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn." Your reliance on this legal fiction leaves your counter-point essentially meaningless.
TTFN,
Blackout
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It all depends on your personal moral code. I think it's wrong to exploit someone else's body. In order to be classified as living, an organism must be able to function independently. A fetus must use the mother's body in order to live. I believe that anyone should have the option of whether or not they choose to support another life form physically, mentally, or financially. If the fetus can be removed in a way that allows it to live outside of the mother, I think this is a better option IF someone else is willing to support the fetus physically and financially.
I love abortion. Read more here:
http://progressiveu.org/044921-i-love-abortion-even-if-it-murder
Claiming that an unborn fetus is "exploiting" its mother's body is like claiming that if I plant a sunflower in my back yard it is "exploiting" my private property. The mother put it there through a night of bonechilling orgasms that she chose to enjoy.
Yes there is rape, but it is a small percentage of the larger number of abortions that take place. Let's not make the mother the victim, she got the benefits of getting laid.
I am pro-choice, by the way, but I don't like when abortion activists make the slutty girls the "victims" after they enjoy the sex.
I think it's interesting how the Supreme Court can rule that the unborn are not people, yet if someone kills a pregnant woman, it counts as double murder. It's ironic, and a little sad and disheartening, in my opinion. Thank you for pointing that out, I would never have know otherwise, as I tend to be pretty oblivious about, well... anything.
Also, I agree with you on the subject of banning late-term abortions. It's probably the best compromise we're going to get, since so many people differ on the issue of if an unborn fetus is a person or not (despite what the Supreme Court says; they can't force us to change our personal views).
And that's comin' at ya' from yer local redneck hippie.
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...the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (a.k.a. Laci and Conner's Law), there was no real federal precedent for treating these incidents as "double-murders."
There were some State provisions that did this, but there really isn't a conflict since saying that a criminal who murders a pregnant mother is guilty of "double-murder" doesn't violate that mother's fundamental right to privacy (which is, of course, the basis for legal abortion in Roe v. Wade).
Basically, its the same as the law which says that any death that occurs during the commission of a felony is automatically treated as a murder, even if the death was unintentional or unrelated to the actual commission of a felony. (For example, if you and your partner rob a bank, and your partner has a heart attack, you get charged with murder). Its a common legal tactic of "stacking on" consequences to the perpetrators of particularly heinous crimes.
TTFN,
Blackout
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