I'd love to debate gay marriage, but I forgot what it's about...

patrick.leb's picture

Does anyone feel like gay marriage has slipped off of the radar in the realm of news and politics lately? I would just like to get a little bit of my opinion out there and I guess I'll just continue an age old debate for many.

The funny thing (actually, it's probably not funny) about the whole thing is that I don't really know many gay/lesbian people. I know a few bisexuals, definitely more of them than gays/lesbians. I find that kind of weird, but it doesn't matter too much to me.

So, basically I am completely AGAINST gay marriage for one huge reason. Now, wait to get angry over this state because I am NOT against gays or lesbians or even bisexuals. I'm only against gay marriage because marriage is a religious institution more than anything, even though it's not so much these days since everyone gets married, regardless of religion. Marriage is defined as the covenant between a man and a woman who are in love with each other.

That's the only reason I am against gay marriage. However, if someone came up with something that's not called a "marriage", then I wouldn't mind it at all because it's their right to be together. It's not their right to be married because marriage has origins in religion.

Anyone see what I mean? Does anyone have any ideas for an institution for gays/lesbians to be together?

1) Definitons are not a vaild point of contention. And your definition is wrong as per www.m-w.com/dictionary/marriage

2) It would be called a civil union.

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darkeyesclosed's picture

I say your opinions are your own. You are against it because of religious tradition. I'm for i mostly because im bi and wish to one day marry her in a church but who knows what might happen. i see no problem with gay people being just as miserable as the rest of us. the only thing i wil say is doesnt christianity traditions change? you guys don't sacrafice animals anymore right?
well good for you for staying faithful to your beliefs i think it is important and i though it was an interesting read ^_^

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So, basically I am completely AGAINST gay marriage for one huge reason. Now, wait to get angry over this state because I am NOT against gays or lesbians or even bisexuals. I'm only against gay marriage because marriage is a religious institution more than anything, even though it's not so much these days since everyone gets married, regardless of religion. Marriage is defined as the covenant between a man and a woman who are in love with each other.

The presumption here seems to be that you think that your religion has some special claim to the institution and term of "marriage." This is, however, a false premise. Aside from the fact that (historically speaking) the social institution of marriage predates the religious by many thousands of years, there are in fact a great many religions in this country that DO in fact recognize the marriages of same-sex couples, and the First Amendment prohibits our government from arbitrarily choosing to recognize the religoius tenets of any sect over any other.

Despite the desire of many religious sects to claim the term "marriage" as their own personal property, marriage in this country is a public institution, and as such belongs to The People, and not to your church.

That's the only reason I am against gay marriage. However, if someone came up with something that's not called a "marriage", then I wouldn't mind it at all because it's their right to be together. It's not their right to be married because marriage has origins in religion.

Were you aware that the christian religion did not begin to recognize marriage as a sacrament until the 10th-13th Centuries? The fact is that history tells us that marriage originated as a secular arrangement between two individuals and the State. The advent of religious marriage is a relatively new invention, historically speaking.

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Fishey25's picture

I see your point and understand where you're coming from. But everyone calls marriage this sacred love between a man and a woman and says that having 2 men or 2 women would make it less special or something? So Britney Spear's 28 hour marriage needs to be protected? How can straight people say marriage need to be sacred when half of them end in divorce? How is that fair? Marriage is about love, not gender.

And as far as gay marriage leading to polygamy and stuff, that's just insane. Not everything is give an inch, take a mile. If marriage was still the same as when it was "invented" women would still be property and blacks couldn't marry whites!

Any thoughts?

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Sweetannasey's picture

I think people should have a right to marry whoever they love,for or for none regious status.Gay/les we are all chil of god.Religous purpose it may hurt.We should try and accept reality that we all cant be the same.If we accept people for who they are the world would be a better place.

Warhe Schonheit's picture

Marriage is neither religious or governmental. It is simply a staement of two peoples love and their commitment to eachother. just my 2 cents.

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Yes, but legally its definition could use some major reworking.

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automaticeyes's picture

Marriage was never a religiously "adopted" word.

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