In the middle of the debates, arguements and the "I don't care wtf you say, I'm right you're wrong and there's nothing you can do about it" religious blogs and comments here, I decided to post one of my own.
Why? Because I'm more of a person that wants to find a middle ground, you can believe in God and the (insert religion doctorine here) but I don't hink you should assume you're right and everyone else is wrong just because some book/person/family member told you so.
I mean that can just be what you believe and choose to follow and that's that. But it's not as easy as that now is it? Some people have a tendency to get uber defensive when people even question their religion. I mean theres nothing wrong with questioning things (in tactful manner) right?
Okay, moving on...lets to to my take on the Bible, the book that has been mentioned more time's here than I can count. Yup, the good book, which I don't know why they call it that because it's some pretty not good stuff in there if you've ever looked through it or read it.
I beleive inerrancy (without error) is a meaningless word and concept when disscussing religion. Since it is based on faith not proof, being irrational at times instead of just using logic, it is nearly impossible to come to a definate result so, everyone just shut up a minute and take the time to listen and understand instead of being subborn and so quick to claim you're right. :-)
For complaining about people being too opinionated and stubborn, you sound pretty hard-headed yourself. I understand your point, though. I don't really see a reason for all the religious bickering that goes on on this site. It's more often just plain disrespectful than informative, and it does not follow the purpose of ProU, which is to comment on actual issues, not complain about how people have different religions than you. Props for bringing this up - I wish everyone would shut up about this too.
lol I wasn't complaining per se. I'm just saying that expressing your opinions and expressing your opinions without taking into consideration into what others are saying or just being a asshole about it is what irks me...I mean we're never going to come to a conclusion, but the least we can do is do it in a mature manner (which I do see a lot of, but not enough) :-)
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I think you're dead right on this blog. However, I've found the whole 'I'm right, you're wrong' replies on a lot of the blogs. The point of these blogs is to publicize how you feel b/c how you feel is valid. I think people get too defensive and angry too quickly instead of exactly what you stated...'listen and understand.' And also just welcome the freedom of debate. The idea that 'we're gonna agree to disagree.'
JM
It ALL be kept on ONE thread instead of twenty-five, LOL.
JM
And to add to what you said.... the entire "they hate me because I believe this" argument is getting ridiculous. Debating and discussing is not the same as hating someone so tossing that out there and using it as THE reason that people are debating or disagreeing with one is utterly pointless. Taking it that personally is extreme. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the debate because it has nothing to do with someone hating you.
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"Do not be too moral. You may cheat yourself out of much life. Aim above morality. Be not simply good; be good for something." Henry David Thoreau
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Good point. I don't care what people believe in. I get annoyed when they try to uphold their irrational belief as fact and suggest that they are right and everyone else is wrong.
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
I agree completely.
You can believe what you want, but don't try to push it on me like it is the only way. People are always pushing religion on everyone. You have to realize that everyone is different, and nobody is wrong when it comes to what they believe in.
That is so incredibly true. When people pull the religion card in debates, unless they are simply saying "I think x because of my faith" and they understand there is no acceptable proof for their belief, I find myself incredibly annoyed and angry. The fact that they say they are right simply because of where they place their faith is ludicrous.
-Dan
Exactly. You shouldn't believe something just because someone or something tells you to. You have to take time to actually know why you have a stance on a issue. You need facts, not someone elses requirement of you.
I agree in some respects, but disagree in others. There are some things people just believe because of their faith. They believe in God. They do have a right to believe in that, even if they have no proof to offer you that he exists. On the other hand, when they try to say they believe in something from their religion that interferes with everyone else's lives (such as trying to get creationism taught in science classes, banning abortion because they believe the soul enters at conception, etc), then you have a reason to kick and scream. When they try to say something like 'I believe this and this, and YOU SHOULD TOO', then it's not acceptable. But if you're soliciting people's opinions, and people give you their opinions based on their faith (such as to my question about whether you'd save the mother or the child), and that's all they're doing, you don't have much reason to kick and scream.
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Exactly...since when did common sense become a rare commodity in people? I bet it was around 1982 wasn't it? (kidding...sort of) XD
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"You're asking me to *read*?! I'm not even in class...and just to think I had to put on pants for this."
~npsm18
Best video evar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD8qubsp39M
and my comments, like serisously---
What you (i'm referrring to some people) hold true is not what I hold to be true and why can't you (some people) Live with that?
LIke why constantly make it a point to keep telling me and other Non-X religion people theat we are going to hell if we don't come to your religion.
you get what i am saying? (thanks for writing this in a more straightforward way)
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
My best friend is a Greek Orthodox Christian, which is a majorly strict religion that fasts for seems like about 40-50% of the year. I'm an atheist, and the only time I "fast" is if I'm going on a diet.
We are unlike in every sense possible, but we found a similar base where it counts.
We want to be friends with eachother.
We fight all the time about religion and politics.
She's stubborn about her religion being THE one.
I'm stubborn about her stubborness, and pretty much say the same things you mentioned in your blog, but in more detail and with personal experience thrown in.
Eventually we both calm down, and agree to respect eachothers beliefs dispite whether or not we think ours is right/correct/how to live.
:) I think everyone just need to reach out and be friends with everyone they can, no matter what they believe, because that is how to stop the fueding. :]