Letter From The Womb.

Unborn baby's letter to her mother. 

Hey Mommy!!

 I’m so glad that you decided to have me! I can’t be more excited. Even though I’m only, like, a day old… I can’t wait to get out of here and breathe the fresh air. Kindergarten, I think that’s what they call it, is going to be so much fun. I know you’ll have a hard time letting go of me on my first day of school, but it’ll be hard for me too.

I want to ride a bicycle. One with purple streamers hanging out of the handlebars. Maybe I can get Daddy to make me a basket for the front. I can’t wait to meet him. If he’s as nice as you are, I’ll be the luckiest girl in the world!!

I hope I end up just like you. I want to be able to go to school, learn, dance, cry, love, have a family, have kids of my own. I think it’ll be great to be given the chance to do everything you got to do. After all, you are my mom and I want to be just like you!!

I think I want to be a painter. Or maybe an author. I could be a Senator if I wanted. I’ve got plenty of time to think about that, though. I have got many years of my life in front of me, but I know I want to change the world in any way I can. Thanks to you, I’ll be able to do just that.

Do I have any siblings? I want a brother. Maybe I have one. I can’t wait to find out. It will be so much fun to go to the park as a family and play and have a picnic. We could go to Disney World! I really want to go there. If we can’t afford to go yet, I understand. Just being with you Mommy will be enough for me.

Well, I guess that’s all from me. I can’t wait to see you. Thanks for giving me life.

 - Your Growing Baby

 

P.S.- I just got the news that you’re having an abortion tomorrow… I’m okay with it. I was a little disappointed because I was just beginning to think of all the places I wanted to visit. How much I wanted to feel what it’s like to love, smile, hug, dance in the rain… now all I’ll ever know is hurt. But, it’s okay. You’re my mom and I respect your decision.

I wonder if my eyes are like yours. I guess we’ll never know if I have the same hair color as you do. Or if my eyes are as bright as Daddy’s. I wonder if I would have been a painter or an author. Or if I could have had that purple bike. I guess we’ll never know if I really could have changed the world like I dreamed.

I guess it really wouldn’t have been that hard for you to let go of me on my first day of kindergarten. You seem to be fine with letting me go now…

I love you, Mom. I just wish I could have had the chance to let you hear it.

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Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

This letter is from the point of view of someone with enough intelligence to see what is coming next. The fetus in the first trimester, does not know what will happen. I don't completely agree with abortion, but I think this letter ignores some important facts one must consider when forming an opinion on the matter.

Well, when I read this, I knew that the fetus wasn't a genius. And I pray deeply that everyone else who reads this already KNOWS that.

I think this post is very good. It totally illuminates the issue at hand.

And, I hope most people are smart enough to realize that this isn't supposed to be true as far as the fetus being able to see into the future.

Seriously.

Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

I know that no one thinks the fetus is a genious. But a fetus isn't thinking these things. To say that it is is obscuring judgment. This fetus has no reason to object to anything. It doesn't know, and it will not care.

That is the best way I can put it. It sounds harsh, but it's kind of how it is.

Kind of like an elderly relative with Alzheimer's, who doesn't know where he/she is from minute to minute, and doesn't recognize anybody, including their own children? They won't know the difference either, if you decide to end their life for your convenience. I didn't plan on taking care of an elderly relative, so I should be legally excused from the obligation by being able to end that person's life, right?

So not being able to know or care what the future holds makes your life less important than the comfort of someone else's life. I get it.

That would be the same thing how exactly?!

if you read the post prior to mine, then read mine, your question will be answered.

I'm not telling you to agree with me.

I'm stating that an unborn human not knowing what is happening to it is kind of like an Alzheimer's patient not knowing what is happening. Then I am basically posing the question of "just because the fetus does not know or care what is happening, does that make it right?" and also, "if that makes it okay (as the previous person who posted implied), then why is it wrong to kill the Alzheimer's patient who has the same amount of wherewithall?" or coma patients who will never recover, for that matter. Not all coma patients, just the ones that will never recover. What makes it wrong to kill them, if it's not wrong to kill an unborn person?

That's how it's the same. It's interesting how I had to say it a second time to answer the question, when all you had to do was scroll up and read my post and the one before mine.

Yes, but this also completely ignores the possibility that those bright eyes of Daddy are the eyes of Mommy's rapist.

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Kiota's picture

Precisely.

Or the eyes of some guy she doesn't know and couldn't care less about.

This post is sickeningly sentimental. A xygote or an embryo is NOT a baby.

Cure heterosexuality!

Hello, to all who were once zygotes and embryos and just a clump of cells, and still is a clump of different cells. Ha, ha! I want to congratulate YOU for being a winner. You fought long and hard to get here and I want to say Welcome! Welcome to the world of the born! You were the ONE that beat millions of your brothers and sisters who did not make it to the ovum (female egg).

Oh, and this goes for YOU too IVF's (In-vitro Fertilized Folk).

But even being one out a million wasn't good enough because many of YOUR parents still had to fight the temptation and miseducation from the abortion fanatics, who was telling your parents that YOU were a loser and began as a loser and if they had you, You was gonna make your parents losers too.

But darn gonnit, you proved them wrong because you are something instead of nothing, after all.

We were all also semen and eggs... does this mean we should have sex all the time with whomever possible just so we don't miss out on creating a painter or an einstein, regardless of living situations, age, or anything else? Of course not. This isn't about saving "precious lives", this is about pressing religious beliefs onto those who do not practice that religion.

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Rape only accounts for 7% of all abortions in the U.S. That argument never held water. Most anti-abortion people that I know have no problem with abortions being perfomed in cases of rape, incest or to protect the health/life of the mother.

Trying to argue yourself into feeling that abortion is a vicimless act are simply fooling yourselves.

24 hours after fertilization, a fetus is NOT capable of thought, emotion, and complex reasoning. I think the only point that is "letter" illustrates is that of someone who is anti-choice and ignorant as to the development of a fetus.

-Paige

Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

This is exactly what I meant to say earlier. Thank you.

We don't know what the baby thinks. For all we know, they could very well be thinking these things.

Last time I checked, we never pulled out a fetus and read its mind. We never asked them if they thought. We just kill them off.

You don't know that they aren't capable of thought. A hippo may be more capable of thought than we know.

And, I think the harshness in calling the writer "ignorant as to the development of a fetus" is absurd because that's not the whole point. Ignorance is being shown in all of your denial of the real truth here.

I'm not an expert on fetal development, as my psychology class is just beginning developmental stages, but from my understanding, they do not make voluntary movements until well into the pregnancy. This leads me to believe that they are not able to make conscious thoughts and perceptions. Being awake and responsive to one's environment does not connotate the ability to have foresight and to emote.
-Paige

Fallon's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

Actually, the brain of a "fetus" does not even begin to form until week 5 of a pregnancy and isn't completely formed until later in the first trimester. So, until at least week 5 we know beyond a doubt that the "fetus" is incapable of thought. It isn't until week 10 that neurons begin to multiple in the brain of a fetus.

And fetus isn't really the correct term either, as it's not considered a fetus until after week 10.

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

Fallon's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

And on a side note, we do indeed know that fetuses aren't thinking these things. Babies don't even possess the mental capabilities to think those things. I highly doubt that a fetus can think those things and then somewhere between the womb and the birth canal loose the ability to think in such complex patterns for the next what 2 or 3 years (at least).

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

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What mind is there to read?

The HTR

So suddenly Walt Disney's "ignorant" because he believed mermaids live and sing underwater, where they may turn into humans and marry princes. He's ignorant because he thought ANIMALS could talk?

I guess that makes all filmmakers, authors, novelists, storytellers, etc ignorant too?

Just because you embellish an idea (with every realization that these things don't necesarrily happen in real life) to get a point across, doesn't automatically make you stupid or anti-everything.

Man... I'd hate to have an imagination, then. If I did, I'd suddenly be ignorant.

I said that it exemplifies an ignorant, anti-choice sentiment. Not that they were stupid or unimaginative. To branch off your connection to Disney, creating a fictional, imaginary situation that is meant for entertainment value (ex: a child's book, film, toy, etc) and trying to say that fetuses have foresight are two very different things.
-Paige

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It's a figurative article. Let's get over it REALLY!
It's supposed to show the example of a future that a fetus COULD have.
We all know you made it through biology, so stop telling us that a fetus can't see into the future. It's not supposed to be scientific.

VERONICA!

Abortion Advocates are gigantic fools
They really think its cool
To not understand the arts
And then attack the local wal mart.
willing suspension of disbelief
Is something that they need.
Instead they choose to analyze
But poorly for their brain lacks size.
They are not good at science
In fact they are bad at science.
Nor do they understand philosophy
Or any type of theology.
Stop posting stupid crap
Stop abusing crack.

"Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil."-C.S. Lewis

That wasn't even good!

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Tess Rowing's picture

Right, because all Ani-Abortion activists are hippies that attack Wal-Mart. Bravo to you.

That was sarcasm.

kick_a_rock's picture

You are the most ignorant person I've ever had the displeasure of reading from. You idiots are the reason this country is so corrupt. They are not good at science? Where did you get that? Do you have any idea who you're talking about? Your poem sucked, and just so I can sink to your level I think I'll make an assumption that all conservative republicans suck at writing and speaking and basically communicating by any form. Thanks for clearing that up for me, you fucking moron.

rachael f's picture

Interesting way to get your point across. I'm not sure yet where I stand on this issue for sure. But it makes me think of one of my best friends who is against abortion, but had to argue for it in one of our classes. He said "What if I was a suicidal baby? What if I didn't want to come out of the womb anyways?" I know that sounds ridiculous, but if we're making the point by what the baby thinks, it's interesting to look at.

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Edoyle3's picture

This is really an intense letter. I cant say that a baby is going to be thinking all that stuff, but i get the main idea. Which is, having an abortion is taking all those possibilities away. The real question is, are these mommy to be's willing to eliminate some of their own possibilities to make room for the new possibilies of their new baby. Hard to answer.
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The great thing about abortion is that you can terminate a pregnacy that was unplanned...I mean come on do you want the constant reminder of being raped every time your baby cries? or Maybe you are selfish and dont want to have to take care of child that the current time. Its a choice that is made every day by women who are in situations they dont want to be in and its an ok chocie to make. Being a little selfish when it comes to giving birth to a bundle of mass that will change your life forever is something that should be allowed to be made. If you dont have a uterus, you dont get to decided what should be done with one. If your girlfriend comes to you one day and says she is pregnant and she wants to get rid of it, dont try to change her mind, its a decision she wants to make. Its her body, its her choice, its her life

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Managing Director of Progressive U

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say you shouldn't try to change her mind, because I'm sure there are women that get abortions because they don't think that they can take care of their baby properly, whether it be financially or emotionally. If the boyfriend tells them 'oh, let's keep the baby... we'll find some way to make it work' they may just change their mind. I know I would with my boyfriend, but I doubt I'd consider an abortion if it was his baby.

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Being a little selfish.."
A little selfish? Nah, I think murder is more than a little selfish.

"when it comes to giving birth to a bundle of mass..."
Bundle of mass? Wow, I always thought babies were a bundle of joy, but maybe I'm wrong.

"that will change your life forever..."
I'm sure glad my mom chose to let me change her life forever. She chose to change her life forever five times, and life is way more exciting because of that.

"is something that should be allowed to be made..."
By golly, you're right. Hang the judicial system. Hang life in prison. Hang death row. Let's all go on a killing spree together, because that's something we should be allowed to do.

One person's bundle of joy is just another person's bundle of mass.
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Managing Director of Progressive U

You do realize that there are a number of pregnancies that terminate spontaneously (without the mother even knowing she was pregnant!) and that the mother doesn't even KNOW she's pregnant until 2-3 weeks after conception, right? Certainly if you're implying a developing child can think these things in terms of abortion, they MUST think them when it comes to miscarriage.

Personally, I just see this blog as an attempt to play on the emotions of people to get them to hate abortion. Not everything is that cut and dry.

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I so agree with you, this blog isn't really real. It's not how things really happen. Abortion is a choice, a very personal choice. No one can tell a girl what to do with her unborn child. This blog was just written to pull on the heartstrings of people.

Jessamine Q.

I don't think the point of this letter was to try and express what a baby might be thinking. I think the point of the letter was to bring out what might be prevented by not allowing the baby to live such as what was brought out in the letter the baby possibly changing the world, or enjoying the beauties in which life sometimes has to offer.

I don't know this whole abortion thing seems sad to me. I think that most cells do not have certain components or thinking abilities but we treat them as life. We treat a plant as life so why is a fetus that does not have brain not treated as life? There are humans who have only half their brain, due to hemispherectomys, does this give us leeway to treat them as half a human only because they have half their brain and functions? I forget what bug it is that doesn't have a brain, but we still treat that as a living creature. So what gives us the right to say just because something doesn't have thinking abilites or all its full capacities that it is not alive? A newly concepted fetus has cells, cells are alive. Therefore, the fetus is alive even though it does not fully look or act like a human. New fetus grows and develops like any living thing so obviously it is a living thing. And if you are preventing the development, physical and mental growth of any human being, isn't considered murder? Or say we treated this new thing as an animal because it does not seem human, yet, isn't it against the law to just go killing anmials?

Yes, I feel very sorry for a woman who gets raped and then gets pregnant. Her life is now going to change in a really big way. But I also have numerous friends who raped brutally and still kept the baby. They are doing just fine in the sense that they are living productive lives as well as their children. And some of my friends decided that they would have the baby but put it up for adoption. They also put it in the record that they never wanted to be contacted by the child. Both of my friends were 10 the other was 15. The ten year old kept her baby, the other girl didn't. I guess abortion would be the easiest way out, but I guess the question right now is, is it the right way out?

Jessamine Q.

YEs, a miscarriage is something that could not be prevented. And in some cases, this could be devastating for the mother to be.

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Again, PLEASE use the reply link. It helps us figure out what post you're replying to.

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Jessamine Q.

Sorry, I am still new to these forums. The short response that I gave was to your post stating that miscarriages happen all the time. I was just saying that yes, except the difference between a miscarriage and an abortion is the mother loses her baby in a miscarriage and the mother kills or the stops the development of her baby in an abortion. One is nature, the other is voluntary manslaughter, I mean, choice.

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Managing Director of Progressive U

And do you feel that it's voluntary manslaughter when the woman has to choose between her life and that of her child? Let me see you tell that to the thousands of women that have had to have an abortion because it would have meant the end of their life and that of their baby as well.

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

Jessamine Q.

actually I responded in a another post about ecoptic pregnancies. In summary, I said since the baby is already going to die this wouldn't be necessarily manslaughter, it would be like taking the child off life support. The mothers organs are keeping it alive, so it is up to the mother whether she wants to pull the plug.

Abortion, though, is stopping the development of a child that would otherwise be okay. so there is a big difference.

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Managing Director of Progressive U

I'm not just talking about ectopic pregnancies.

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

Jessamine Q.

What other pregnancies are you talking about?

But regardless, I feel any pregnancy in which the baby is already going to die doesn't count as you murdering it. It is not like you are about to take the life of a child who would have developed otherwise. In these cases where the baby will die, the mother will be deciding whether or not to take it (the baby) off life support. This is the mother's choice. But abortions are usually done on women who have healthy babies and they just made mistake of not wearing protection.

mvenus929's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

There are cases where the baby will live a healthy life, but the mother will most likely die because she is pregnant. I'm still not comfortable with your analogy, since all children are living off their mother's 'life support' until they come out of the womb.

There are plenty of people arguing that we ban abortion completely, and there are a number of us that are pro-choice and think that abortion should be ESPECIALLY allowed in certain cases. Banning abortion will eliminate the choice in these matters. Abortion is not right as a form of birth control, but I highly doubt there is anyone so callous that they don't care about the abortion. There are serious side effects to abortion, and each woman that gets one has to live with those side effects.

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Someone should write a letter from the point of view of a fetus concepted from a rape, that the mother wont even know the color of dady's eyes because he was commiting an ultimate evil. Even if the purple bike comes true, the happy life probably won't be there. Many mothers in this situation find it difficult to love their child from that kind of evil.

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God save those who follow you only through fear and naivety. Forgive when their ignorance overcomes all that you truly believe in and teach. It is not their fault that they judge others and misconstrued all that you are....they are only human and using the free will you bestowed upon them.

kayote's picture

I don't understand your argument that ending a pregnancy where the child is going to die anyway isn't murder. Either the baby is a child with a life of its own and therefore the act is murder, or the baby isn't a living entity. You can't choose to have it both ways out of convenience.

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Shameless pathos...

But then again, although the embryo is obviously not feeling/thinking the sentiments expressed in this letter... abortion is a tragic thing. We shouldn't marginalize it.

Allowing an imaginary "child" to guilt trip anyone into sacraficing themselves for the good of it is DYSFUNCTIONAL. Especially since it is not even anything close to being animal or human for 6 to 8 weeks were it may then propose thought waves.

I am anti-abortion because I am pro-adoption. My sister was adopted and I can’t imagine my life if her mother would have decided to abort her. That being said, weather a fetus, embryo or whatever you choose to call it truly thinks these things is not the exact point. The point is it never will with an abortion! This was the best blog I have ever read and I think that anyone considering an abortion should either have to read it or have it read to them before continuing the process.

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/jewels07-0

I feel that everyone is reading a little tto deep into the post....it is suppose to illustrate that yes it is the mothers choice have an abortion, but it also is saying that life begins at conception

ruby's picture

NO ONE. Absolutely NO ONE in their right mind is pro abortion. That notion is outdated and wrong. People do not advocate the killing of developing human beings, they do not spout meaningless drivel about overpopulation unless every woman has an abortion within the next fifteen seconds. People DO, howeve, advocate the right of a mother to chose whether or not SHE wants to continue to carry the developing child. It is THAT woman's CHOICE, and nothing else, that pro-choice advocates believe should remain intact.

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Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

Well, I must say that I thought the letter was a good piece of writing. Very imaginative and very interesting. I am "pro-choice" But I tend to agree with ruby. The most common misconception that "pro-lifers" have is that we somehow enjoy or like getting abortions. We do not, period. It is a difficult decision to make and all situations are different. I think bringing up the extreme situations (rape, ect..) is misleading. Most people who get abortions are not those few who are raped, at least I do not think they are. I know that I made my decisions based on my current children's life, I could go into details about why I got pregnant again, but in all actuallity it wouldn't make much of a difference to the "pro-lifers" anyways. Bottom line, I wanted to provide the best life I could for my two children I already have. It was the hardest decision of my life and although I believe it was the right choice, I will always have to live with it. Again, us who believe in "pro-choice" never LIKE getting an abortion. Period.
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I tried to email you personally to let you know that your blog touched me personally. I feel that you took a wonderful approach to a subject that many people argue about where I feel there should be no argument.

Weather the unborn person was thinking these things or not they never would have that chance. No one would have the chance to know what color eyes they had, or hair or what kind of laugh they had. The chance for life is gone, no matter when you believe it starts, the chance is gone.

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/jewels07-0

mvenus929's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

Now it's your turn. You say there is absolutely no excuse for abortion. What about ecoptic pregnancies? What about other situations where the mother would likely die? Is there an excuse then?

And miscarriages result in the same thing as abortion, only they're natural. The children that might have grown in those cases have the same fate as those that are aborted. 'The chance for life is gone' as you say. What do you say then?

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Jessamine Q.

You keep bringing up these other cases which deal with the child be being sick or doomed to die already because of nature; we can't help nature. This is nothing in comparison to a child that is otherwise healthy and a person voluntary minus nature decides to stop that development.

You were talking about switching to Judaism. Abortion is forbidden in the Mosaic Law. So it would require great faith for a mother to hold onto a pregnancy even though she knows it will potentially kill her. And also God views the child as being alive as soon as it is concepted. And for women who commit fornication and accidentally get pregnant would just have to live with the consequences of having gotten pregnant.

But without religion, I still don't see an abortion, where a child would otherwise be healthy, as being right. I know you did not say it was right, but you sure do seem to defend it. But I can understand your defending it in these cases where the baby is already going to be dealt a blow by nature. I think that is a hard decision that even the bible does not give suggestions as to what to do. so therefore you'd have to use your conscience.

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Managing Director of Progressive U

I did not say that all these cases were where the child was doomed to die. I am talking about the mother being doomed to die. The baby could very well live out its entire life.

No, abortions are allowed in Judaism to save the life of the mother. By most rabbis, that includes the mental life of the mother in cases of rape. The mother's life is seen as the MOST important, because she is already alive. As long as the baby is not 2/3 of the way out of the womb, it is acceptable to get an abortion. After that, you have to try to save the life of both, because the child is officially alive. While I don't agree with partial birth abortions, I subscribe to this belief for myself. Since America is a land with freedom of religion, though, I do not expect everyone to feel the same as I do. I personally doubt that I will ever have an abortion, because I plan to go get a rape kit should I ever get raped, and I have a boyfriend who loves and supports me, and will marry me if I end up pregnant before we decide to marry. That doesn't mean I'm going to take away the chance from other women.

Oh, and if God saw the child as alive as soon as it was conceived, then why does he allow miscarriages? Certainly the mother has little or nothing to do with the miscarriage in most cases. I'll post some links for some other blogs where I've discussed this.

I fight for the right of the mother to be able to choose her destiny. I don't think it's right that people use abortion for birth control, but I recognize that it happens. I cannot pretend to know what they are going through to decide to have an abortion.

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mvenus929's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

Ok, there's this topic: http://www.progressiveu.org/153545-for-christians-who-believe-abortion-might-be-ok
We started talking about abortion and kinda got sidetracked into talking about the 10 commandments and the differences in the Old and New Testament.

There's this one: http://www.progressiveu.org/045947-abortion-under-seige-in-mississippi
That talks about some laws that are being put through in Mississippi.

This one describes a situation where the baby would have lived quite well, but the mother would have died:
http://www.progressiveu.org/194044-make-the-same-choice-your-mom-made

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So...
Why were Lacy & Conner Peterson's murders counted as two by the American legal system if abortion is not murder? (If you remember, Conner was "just a fetus" at the time of his mother's horrific death.) If Conner was not considered human, there should've been only one count of murder.

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Managing Director of Progressive U

Laci was 8 months pregnant. Conner could have survived, even flourished, had he been born at the time of their disappearance. And I'm pretty sure all 3rd trimester abortions are illegal in the US...

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I'm sorry, you're wrong. Partial birth abortions ARE legal in the US. As long as the head is still in, a doctor can legally kill him or her. It's the most disgusting act I've seen in a hospital. Feel free to do a search and see what you come up with.

mvenus929's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

Not everywhere. http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_BPBA.pdf

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kick_a_rock's picture

That depends on what state you live in, moron.

Fallon's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

If the fetus is able to survive outside of the womb, a person can be charged with the murder of both. Until that point in a pregnancy (usually at least 21-23 weeks), one cannot be charged with the murder of the fetus.

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

I READ THIS TO MY HUSBAND BECAUSE I WAS SO IMPRESSED BY IT AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE HAD HEARD IT BEFORE, MAYBE SAW IT ON A PRINT ON A WALL. YOU DID NOT WRITE THIS. MAYBE YOU SAW IT AND CHANGED THE BLUE BIKE TO PURPLE BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

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Fallon's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

Are you sure it wasn't Diary of an Unborn Child your husband read? To call someone a fraud and claim they didn't write it with nothing but the word of someone else is a strong claim to make.

http://www.geocities.com/laz614/unborn.html

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

Diary of an unborn child. http://www.geocities.com/laz614/unborn.html

I apologize for jumping the gun over what my husband said.

Read more from me at: http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/jewels07-0

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Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

Yeah, I got something very similar to this as a forwarded e-mail a year or so ago. I couldn't say how close the letters are though, so it is conceivable that they just liked the idea and re-wrote the whole thing.

Has the poster of the blog been in on the debate? If not it is probably a copy/paste deal and they don't feel like defending themselves. (sorry, I can't remember if I saw the name in comments or not)

Res ipsa loquitur.
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mvenus929's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

Nope, no sign of the poster.

Ah... there she is.

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Visit my blog.

EXCUSE ME?????????????????????????????????????????????

I 100 % wrote this blog.

How dare you accuse me of being a fraud. Your husband is WRONG.

Thanks a lot.

Soon we'll have no choice at all anyway. John McCain will become president because everyone hates Hillary and he is planning on getting Roe v. Wade overturned. Choice is a very precious thing in this country. I am not "pro" baby killing, but I am realistic enough to know that a 17-yr old girl is not prepared to have a baby. Or that some women just 'know' that they could never have that maternal instinct. I believe it is every woman's right to search her soul and make a choice. That said, it's 2007 for gods' sake! GO ON THE PILL!

JitterBug89's picture

Yeah I actually liked the letter. I think that it was well thought of and that even thought a 24 hour fetus can't even think, someone could have thought of that and put it together. So imagine, great post.

Thank you very much, Mandilynn89. It's so reassuring to see the few nice comments people leave.

I can't believe I didn't get online for a day and when I return, there are claims that I copied this blog and that I'm a fraud. I worked very hard on this and it is 100 percent original. That hurt more than you'll know.

JitterBug89's picture

Your welcome Imagine. And yes, to come up with something like this is very hard, time consuming and ORIGINAL. If you don't mind I want to help defend you.

ALRIGHTY NOW PEOPLE. I AM DEFENDING HER BECAUSE IT IS ORIGINAL. DON'T YOU THINK THAT SHE THOUGHT OF THIS ON HER OWN. IT'S NOT HARD TO COPY AND PASTE; BUT IF SHE TRULY DID COPY AND PASTE (LIKE SOME OF YOU ARE SAYING {WHICH CAN YOU BACK IT UP?}) THEN IT WOULD HURT. BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. SHE COULD HAVE WRITTEN THIS YEARS AGO AND JUST DECIDED TO POST IT. SO THERE. MANY THINGS ARE POSSIBLE AND IT'S POSSIBLE FOR TWO PEOPLE TO POST SOMETHING SIMILAR!!!

There got that said.

Fallon's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

I agree with you. I might disagree with the post, but it was well written. Before claiming that something is a plagiarized, it is prudent to be able to back that claim up with fact or to at least ask before jumping to conclusions.

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

"May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind be always at your back. May the warm rays of the sun fall upon your home."

THANK YOU MANDYLYNN89 SO MUCH.

Thank you for defending me. I honestly don't know why someone would claim that I copied that, and then have everyone else believe it too. That's a pretty harsh claim.

But, I just wanted to say thanks to you here for defending me and helping me out with that.

Perhaps most of you are too young to appreciate the wonder of reproduction. My wife had a miscarriage and I saw the fetus. The doctor showed me my tiny son in a petri dish. Less than a month old and he was entirely formed, a little human. He had fingernails!!
I don't know if a fetus can think, but if it can grow fingernails and everything else, I would profer that no one knows that they can't. However, this being said, what difference does it make. A life is lost. How the life began is of little importance. It is not the fault of the growing fetus. That fetus has potential and to deliberately destroy it based on only the whim of one parent is despicable. The vast majority of abortions are merely conveniences for the mother. That they should be paid for by the public is a travesty.

Obviously, you don't realize that alot of women who have abortions are because their boyfriends or parents advise them to do so. Yes, I am sure that some women have an abortion because they do not want to be a mother and it is easier to abort than to go through the pregnancy and adopt. However, most women I know who have had an abortion did so because their parents gave them no choice or because their boyfriends weren't ready to be fathers and threatened to leave them if they decided to go through the pregnancy. Now, in these situations, they felt they had no choice.

well...in that case the boyfriend needs to step up and be a man, or the parents need to take responsibility for their child....and force their child to take responsibility in the process.

aiyenface's picture

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what a letter ..
does this mean i killed over a million potential children that wanted to ride bikes, go to school, be doctors or lawyers, etc. earlier when i took a long shower?

what infuriates me is that people defend abortion with the idea that because a fetus is incapable of emotion or feeling, it is ok to kill it. It is something that is eventually going to become a life.Just because you are killing a baby at that precise moment, doesn't mean that you are not killing a life.

What if then, a woman got pregnant and the moment the egg and sperm joined it turned into a full nine month baby??(It is a stretch I am aware, but lest's just say)What THEN would be the excuse????

Ceila30's picture
Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

What if, going one step further, we assume that every ova has the possibility to be life in the future so therefore we should find a way to stop having our periods. Hmm... a bit of a stretch. (also, not sure who I got this idea from but it was a fellow blogger, so thank you). Oh wait that would also mean that pubescent boys can no longer have wet dreams either because that sperm could be a life someday. I mean, really, where is that line drawn? The problem is the line is drawn according to each person's individual concept of where it should be drawn. Your line would obviously be a lot higher then mine. BUT, does that make yours more right then mine? I don't tend to think it does, but then thats all a matter of interpretation, right? Wrap your brain around that one.
Ceila
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ceila30

kick_a_rock's picture

I have no idea what you just said. Revise your second paragraph. You sound insane.

those processes are needed to ensure our health and it is not something we can CONTROL...

dannathemanna's picture

I couldn't agree more. I think that abortion is so sad. Although there are cases where an abortion may be needed like incest or rape, the percentage of abortions that are actually because of those is quite low. It's sad how people seem to do it so easily these days...

kick_a_rock's picture

This shows exactly how ignorant you are. Do you have any idea what kind of emotional pain goes into making that decision? What heartbreak the woman has to face? Don't ever associate the word "easy" with abortion and don't EVER presume that you know ANYTHING about the kind of decision it is to make.

If it's a decison that causes so much pain, and so much regret...doesn't that in itself tell us something?

FutureRam07's picture

WOW... soo yeah.. I see that theres a TON of negative comments.. I mean.. really yall! Ok...so maybe its not realistic. Who cares! I think the writer just wanted us to think... Not grind her into the dirt for being ignorant.. or w/e the rest of yall said. I didn't even read half of the comments.. sorry.

So to the author.. great job. I liked it.. it made me think. and it was really good writing..

And to the rest of yall, well.. lets try and find some respect for the rest of the people on this thing.

Why did I have to read a debate as to how much a child in the womb knows? Or what the child can think about? That was not the point of the blog. Have any of you idiots ever heard of willing suspension of disbelief.

The point of the blog is that abortion takes a life, a life that could have done many wonderfull things.

"Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil."-C.S. Lewis

Come on people. The author isn't here to scientifically prove a baby thinks. Of course it doesn't! hello.

The point is simply that abortion eliminates "the futus", the child, the person in development its potential to be something in life.

and let's not call the author anti-choice, unless you want to be called anti-life. please be a bit more mature about it.

This was written totally biased. Although it is really sad but true, most people have reasons for their abortions. it is a womens decision to go through with the process. But, i do agree that second trimester abortions should be against the law. the baby is almost fully grown and for it to come soo far to have its life ended is wrong, and cruel to human nature,

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