Comparing the Holocaust to Slavery is a Waste of Time.

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Recently my friend, who happens to be Jewish, was in an arguement with an black-american girl. It was an interesting discussion to say the least until she made the fatal mistake of comparing the plight of slaves in America to the holocaust of the Jews.

As we all know, comparing the holocause to slavery is like comparing murder to genocide. While slavery killed hundred of thousand of africans, the holocause caused the destruction of 6 million Jew, with 1.5 million of those being children. Now the arguement can be used that slave children were seperated from their parents, but 1.5 million children being killed in violent ways, to me seems much worse than being seperated from your family.

There is no deny the atrocities of both the holocaust and slavery. Stories abound of the brutal treatment of slaves who succumbed to starvation or died after merciless beatings for hours on end. Yet when we think of the holocaust, we think of death chambers with gas pouring out to kill the unsuspecting Jews. But what is left out are the beating deaths of children at the hands of SS troops, or the deaths of children who were swung against brick walls because they wouldn't stop crying for their parents. And all this at the orders of Hitler. These individuals never once stopped to think that maybe, just maybe they had an obligation to the universe, and obligation that is far greater than their duty to Hitler. The same can be said for the slave owners.

Where does all this hatred and slavery come from, what has sparked this? Humanity is a major contributor but the one overlooked pieces of literature, religious texts. The Jews are hated for the zionist propoganda for the deemed "higher" race, the Jews. America fell back on the Bible to support their claims that they were "higher" than their slaves. All this from religious texts. Muslims rely on the Qu'ran for their hatred of the Jews. Everywhere we turn we find hatred and slavery being commited in the name of the Father.

No one can deny that slavery was an awful societal invention that has continued to exist to this day. And you can't deny the continual hatred of the Jews by different groups. But comparing these two blemishes on society to one another is wrong. When will people stop buying into the propaganda spewed out by both sides? Until we stop, we continue to play with the holocaust and slavery and we must stop comparing these two acts. They both should be looked at and learned from but never compared to one another because they are totally different from the other. But we must remember to learn from them are we will repeat it once again.

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engkatiemarie's picture
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Why would anybody want to have a This-Atrocity-Was-Worse argument? I see no possible results to this discussion besides anger and resentment.

Unbelievable.

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Yeah, neither could I. It was however quite funny how my friend handled it, it was something to the effect of thousands of years greatly outweighs four hundred years, and then walked off.

I deny that either event happened. :-D Much like I deny the occurrence of the moon landing.

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lol. Don't forget that you deny that 9/11 was terrorist attack?

Indeed. 9/11 was organized by Americans (namely, Bush) to give him a good excuse to go to war. I also deny the JFK assassination (he was taken to a hidden bunker because he was tired of being president), the non-existence of aliens at Fort Homie (Previously Area 51), and the nuclear bombs resulting in the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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And Elvis didn't die, but went home. And who says movies are never right.

I thought the supposed non-existent aliens dropped the atomic bombs?

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Blasphemy.

How dare you deny the Apollo landing! What a horrible thing to say.

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I think even though these two events are different that we can compare them to each other because both were obvious the acts of wrong done by individuals, but if one is trying to find a deeper insight of having a comparison, they are wrong.

Because the Holocaust was no orchestrated by one man while slavery was orchestrated by an entire nation. No....

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the Halocaust was opperated by Hitler, but he had outrageous tactics that got countries to join him. The Numenburg Trials occured because many people helped in this saddening event.

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What outrageous tactics? He took over countries, killed those who didn't agree until they were loyal to him. That's basic totalitarian doctrine.

The Nuremburg Trails occured to put Nazi's and Fascists on the stand to punish them for the atrocities committed. This is where it came out that they shouldn't have listened to Hitler because they have an obligation to a higher authority, be it God or the law. Even someone with no morals understands that you don't encroach on another person or the property.

But the trial was a run of the mill military tribunal, it wasn't special at all except for the one key statement that the judges declared.

But in the end, all the people that helped commit the atrocities could point right up the chain of command to, you guessed it, Hitler. Hitler was like a conductor for an orchestra. Now, slavery had no such conductor. It was a cacophony like none other.

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But the underground railroad had conductors.

Silly Wrong metaphor. I was talking about the conductors that stand up and give musical directions, lol. Gosh, you're just not on the ball today, SoD. Laughing Out Loud

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I am on the ball today, I'm having a horrible time trying to stay up on the damn thing lol Laughing Out Loud

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Uh why? As nick pointed out. One was commited by one man and the other by an entire nation. Both do fall back on the idea of Godly superiority, but they should never be compared because they are wrong for entirely different reasons. It becomes as Katie pointed out, a my atrocity is worse than yours bitching match.

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I didn't mean to upset you and I am just telling you how I feel. You feel strongly about this topic and I feel opposition to it. I will admit that I like agruing, but I do not intend to hurt anyone's feeling or aggravate them.

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You're not hurting anyone's feelings. I just feel that it is wrong to compare to totally different atrocities and you obviously don't. It is your opinion but I'll still argue mine.

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but I see that we will get no where either because I will argue too, so I guess I will leave it at that.

engkatiemarie's picture
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Will you people stop arguing about the Holocaust and slavery here and approach the really important denial...

We landed on the moon. More than once. It's a true travesty to deny this. What the hell.

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I'm tired of this bullshit katie, you know we didn't land on the moon.

Do I have to pull up the pictures of Bill and Monica playing president and secretary in space suits on the moon again?

Cut the bullshit Katie. I saw Apollo 13! They didn't land on no damned moon and I did see them in space. The whole thing was done on a fancy soundstage. How else do you explain the flag staying up right?!

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You two are totally pathetic.

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/

... this one time, at Space Camp...

Katie, we're joking. I know full well how the flag stayed upright (there are two poles holding it, duh) and I know full well that they landed on the moon. The very fact that you went and pulled sources to prove to me what I already know is pitiful.

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Hello?

You are speaking with a full fledged space geek here.

Clearly, you were expecting someone else.

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Yes, yes I was. Her name is Katie with a sense of humor in light of the apollo landing, lol.

If you knew us in person, should we be afraid for retribution?

engkatiemarie's picture
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Not physical retribution but I would put Space posters all over your walls, and lecture you on your attitude regarding NASA.

This is serious stuff, boys.

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I don't mind the posters, but please no lecture.

In all fairness, I will continue to perpetuate the myth the NASA still has not been to the moon, especially not in 1969.

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i think that they shouldn't be compared to each other.
so i guess what i'm saying is that i agree with you.
this does not mean, however, that slavery was any less of a horrible event.
the holocaust was an idea of an "extermination" of the jews. slavery was the trade of humans. comparing the two is wrong.

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I think they can be both compared and contrasted, but not with the purpose of saying the two events were very similar. They were both the result of hate, ignorance, and indifference, but they did not have the same effects.

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