I have a serious problem with the belief system in America. People are just being ridiculous in my eyes. Abortion is probably one of the biggest political and social issues right this second (well next to what to do with our economy). In some states it's legal and others it isn't. I'm sure everyone has their own opinions and beliefs about it. Either way is fine to believe. My only issue is those people who are for abortion only if a woman gets raped. That right there is so stupid in my eyes that it's not even funny. Usually people who view it that way say that's the only situation that is acceptable for an abortion because it is murder. If it's murder then that is saying that a baby, who has done nothing wrong, may be “murdered” if the mother was raped. What really hits home is that in some states where abortion is legal, the death penalty is not. Pretty much that is saying that the rapist who performed a crime would not be killed, but an innocent baby would be. A baby would die while a rapist is left to rot in a prison cell or escape and go rape other women. I suggest that you no longer use that belief. That's just my suggestion, but you're either pro-life or pro-choice. There should be no exceptions to that belief.
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Every belief has an exception that benefits the believer.
Though I am pro-choice and don't think only raped woman should be able to have abortions, I also think that you can believe what ever you want, because it is your opinion. If some one thinks there should exceptions, thats their personal thought and you really can't stop them from thinking that.
some people believe that a baby isnt a baby until the day its born. Pro-life people believe that life starts at conception. I'm pro-life and abortion is murder but people dont see it as murder because they dont believe a fetus is a real living baby they believe its just an organism in a womans body. There's an abortion doctor in my town and in the past 10 years he's performed more than 1,000 abortions in my town not including the ones he's done in his other office in overland park kansas. Our kids are the next generation and if we keep aborting them, there will be no next generation.
That's not necessarily true. I believe a fetus, embryo, zygote, blastocyst, etc have the potential to become humans, but until they can survive outside the mother's body, her rights take precedence. Yes, it's killing something, but it's more like killing someone in self defense, rather than malicious murder. I just take the 'self-defense' argument further than just physical health.
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Xygote, embroyo, and fetus are NOT a "baby."
Yes, everyone has their own beliefs, but it'd be nice if they think their opinions and beliefs through.
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I believe that abortion is murder, and under no circumstances should it be preformed, not even rape. A life is a life, and it doesn't matter where that life came from.
I agree with what holster said:
"people dont see it as murder because they dont believe a fetus is a real living baby they believe its just an organism in a womans body."
That's why some people justify abortion as not being murder. Just because they can't see the baby yet.
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Yes life is life but people can be traumatized by rape and if they give birth to that child then the "life" of that child may not be cared for.
They just need to take the steps to making sure that the child is cared for, this is where adoption could come into play if they absolutely cannot care for the child themselves.
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What if the goverment came down and told you they were going to control you, tell you what you can and can not eat.
It would be like living in China, where the goverment controlled how many children a person could have, I do not agree with abortion, so i will not have one. However, i do not think it is right for the goverment to tell someone what they can and cannot do with their bodies that is taking away their basic human rights, and is wrong.
I have a friend who was raped, and decided to go threw with the pregnancy, she says she loves her child, but she sees the rapist everytime she looks at him, sadly, she gave the baby up for adoption ot her parents. Anywaysm for more info on abortion check out my blog and read about it from the womans point of view.
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I'm pro-choice. I think the pro-lifers almost always win the moral argument but for me it is an issue of pragmatics. If the mother does not want the baby then it is almost certainly going to end up as a problem for society. As a taxpayer I don't want to be responsible for paying to raise a child (and then probably support a worthless adult too) that not even the mother thinks is worth having.
But I don't think your argument makes much sense because your "what if " scenario is already the current reality. The government ALREADY controls you and your body in many, many ways. They force you to get vaccinations. They prohibit you from terminating your own life (that is very analogous to your argument for controlling your own body with an abortion). Contrary to your assertion above, they do in fact tell you what you cannot eat (like LSD). I could probably go on with about 10,000 more examples but you probably get the point. Society has made many, many laws that control people.including many laws that control what they can do with their OWN bodies. There would be really nothing very exceptional about one more similar law that addressed abortion. And in fact such laws used to be the law of the land.
But the people on the other side of this argument don't even agree with your premise about it being your own body. They think that the abortion is about terminating a SEPARATE life that happens to be temporarily inside your body. From their perspective, and I think the genetic science is 100% on their side, when somebody gets an abortion they are not making a decision about their own life and their own body but rather they are murdering another totally separate innocent human being who happens to be inconveniencing them. Everybody agrees that it is murder if you kill the baby an hour AFTER it is born. Is it really any less human and worthy of protection by the law an hour BEFORE it is born? Where do you draw the line?
They don't force you to get vaccinations. That's why measles is making a comeback, because people are stupid and don't want their children to get the vaccines. One of the girls I went to college with hadn't had any vaccines since she was like 5. You can either get a personal or religious exemption, and even a health exemption in some cases.
And who says there aren't people who think those laws should be removed? There are individuals who think suicide should not be illegal (and Oregon and Washington are tending to agree with these people through the Right to Die initiatives they have passed). There are people who think drugs should be legalized. And, of course, the government currently doesn't ban trans fats (except NYC), it just requires that all companies tell you whether their product has trans fats in it or not.
Before it's born naturally? No, it's not.
IMO, you draw the line at the point when the fetus can live outside the womb. That is currently at about 26 or so weeks. A few babies can survive at 23 or 24 weeks, so maybe we'll back it up a few weeks. If the mom hasn't decided to have an abortion by that point, she shouldn't be getting it anyway.
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