SOOOOOOO much to show you SO little time!!!
Patrick Fitzgerald has had his work cut out for him with this whole Plamegate thing... The leaks undermining him, the pressure from the administration and his superios to just COVER THE DARN THING UP...
The one common note we've been hearing has been that it was ISOLATED, that the only endictment we'd see was Libby's, that Rove and CHeney and crew were all in the clear.
Your guess is as good as mine.
But with Rove back to crawling in the shadows of the Republican campaigns, this might be TOO close to the heat for him. It's getting really close to the heat for MANY in this administration...
Side note, did anyone notice how the press coverage of Bush's puppet show tears for the American peoples suffering from Oil Price Gouging, that there were no mentions of EARLIER tears from Democrats who actually try to DO stuff about it?
And how is "temporarely" stopping environmental regulations going to help anyone except your oil cronies?
Remember this Mr. Bush. You are not KING, and you CAN be impeached.
whooops sorry!
Indictment. Not Endictment.
You can tell where my head is....(and if you can't.... http://www.progressiveu.org/175748-where-has-the-nolie-gone-heres-a-clue )
Don't worry Nolie. We all make Tpyos when we're under the weather.
Don't worry Nolie. We all make Tpyos when we're under the weather.
Don't worry Nolie. We all make Tpyos when we're under the weather.
Don't worry Nolie. We all make Tpyos when we're under the weather.
http://www.progressiveu.org/072359-indictments-in-roves-future-i-think-so
Your latest
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/26/61225/9453
Don't blame them just because they let King George reign....
They're getting what they deserve. I can't wait to see Rove indicted next. And can't wait to see the slapdown the American Public is going to give these rubberstamping, corrupt Republicans.
Did the indictments come today? I heard they may be expecting them within two weeks.
Merry Fitzmas all!.
Been talking to lots of people. Trying to guess when Rove will get indicted and what charges.
Cross your fingers that it's soon!
Rumor has it...possible indictments Friday.
(saw it on your other thread.)
None yet. Looks like the rumor mill is wrong this time.
Maybe not wrong about indictment though. I'm hearing possible obstruction charges.
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Looking for info on if Rove received a target letter. I heard his lawyers are saying he didn't, but most other places are saying he did.
Anyone have any links to confirm it? I heard the indictments will be here within two weeks. So it makes no sense that he wouldn't have received a target letter.
I bet it's just Rove and his lawyers trying to manipulate public opinion.
Brreaking news!
Rove tells White House he's likely to be indicted very soon!
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051206Y.shtml
Cheney next?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/cheney-notes/
***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***
Firedoglake has this evaluation of the team Libby and team Fitz. (I guess you don't need a crystal ball to figure out who I'm routing for.)
"They are being cut off from one appealable issue after another. I just love this.
He’s got em. I can feel it. I can hear it in the tone of his written and spoken remarks. He’s just doin’ Kabuki with them and letting them run out the defense fund.
EVERY FREAKIN TIME, Team Irving pitches a fit about ANYTHING Team Fitz is doing, their position (at least in public) deteriorates a little (or alot) more.
From several comments Wells has made about having a tough row to hoe and about how if the court doesn’t let him expand the scope of the case he has no case, suggest to me that privately they have known all along that they are screwed.
There was a period shortly before the first GJ expired when Fitz was walking a guantlet every couple days on CNN as he went into the courthouse. He started looking really peaked, pasty faced, bloated, vaguely ill.
Then one day maybe a week 10 days out, he shows up and he looked like the sun breaking out from behind the clouds.
One of the goddeses even made a reference at about that time about integrity being good for the complextion."
snip
"I think. basically decent people who did not intend evil will come in (it is obvious some already have and I am SURE there are cooperation agreements in place, probably very generous ones at that)told what they knew and expressed regret that things got out of hand.
People with evil in their hearts, will lie, fight, obstruct and reveal themselves to be worthy of criminal prosecution.
Poppy Bush accused Larry Walsh of trying to “criminalize policy disputes” and said that policy disputes should be resolved in the election booth not the courtroom.
in several places in the transcript and in the Indictment Press Conference, Fitz said that a court room is not the right place to try the issue of whether we were correct to go to war.
I think maybe our boy Fitz studied Iran Contra very carefully. Many of the same players are involved and he had a free window into their personalities and preferences. I think maybe he learned a lot from what happened to Larry Walsh.
Not only that, he may well disagree that the criminalization of policy disputes is a slippery slope that the nation cannot afford to go down. And he would have a point IMHO.
So what’s he to do? Answer, let the bad guys step up to the plate themselves and let them essentially choose themselves for prosecution, by their own actions.
This is why I think he has set up the finest piece of lawyering I will ever see in my life. It is about justice, it is about truth, and he does not set himself to judge what is what. The entire method starts from a postion of basic humilty. Although he was given broad discretion and has enormous power, he is exercising unheard of dicipline and humilty in its use."
(snip)
"So much of legal trial practice is tactics and maneuvering — and that is especially true for criminal practice, because you have pressure being applied in the form of a threat of loss of liberty and imprisonment with criminal charges and investigations hanging over someone’s head. It has to be tempered with justice and care on the part of the prosecutor, but at the same time those charges have to be tested by defense counsel to ensure that the system is operating fairly and not charging people inappropriately or without cause.
It’s a tough balance. But the differences between the way the Starr investigation operated and Pat Fitzgerald’s team are just striking, aren’t they?
I do feel like things are coming to a head, somehow. And not just because the Cheney note revelations hit the front pages, but with all of the information that has trickled out bit by bit in all the legal filings and the fact that Gold Bars Luskin and Ted Wells and company have clammed up to all but the Hair Boy set. You guys can feel it, too, can’t you? Don’t have a clue as to when we’ll get any final answers — investigations take a long time to firm up and Fitzgerald and his team are absolutely right to take the time they need to be certain any charges filed are appropriate and deserved."
I whole heartedly agree.
***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***
Latest Fitzgerald filing. (Things getting interesting.)
As usual fireddoglake has the must read blog and as usual explains the legalities for laymen.
Libby's defense... kind of hard to continue their tactics with Cheney's writing all over the place. It looks to me like Fitz is waiting for all of them to hang themselves and then Cheney and Bush with it.
***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***
So I've clicked on this pdf with Cheney's notes and I'm trying to read what is underlined and trying to figure out the significance of those notes. I'm sure Fitzgerald has had plenty of time to figure out that puzzle.
***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***
Anyone wonder if Fitzgerald's emails and phones were part of the NSA and FISA warrantless spying? And anyone know if Fitzgerald knows either?
***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***
Good question!
I bet that Fitzgerald wouldn't answer that.
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Wow. Read this link from BTC News. Something about throwing ******* from the train. ;)
And a good question raised is if Cheney or the original source of the leak will be charged with the big whopper charge--Breaking the Intellegence Identities Act. (In other words, intentionally outing a US spy.)
***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***
In case you missed this:
"........Events that could truly shake the Bush White House to its foundation, however, may be discerned elsewhere. On Monday, in Chicago, a jury found former Republican governor George Ryan guilty of 18 counts of corruption. His trial was the climax of a nine-year investigation that had yielded 75 convictions, including some of the most powerful figures in the Republican party of Illinois. The federal investigation, dubbed Operation Safe Roads, began by looking into bribery for driver's licenses. Over time, prosecutors systematically uncovered broader and deeper patterns of corruption reaching up to the governor's office. Patiently, they built their cases until they reached the top.
The United States attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, who conducted this painstakingly thorough prosecution, Patrick Fitzgerald, is also the special prosecutor in charge of the investigation into the leaking of the identity of the covert CIA operative, Valerie Plame Wilson. So far, he has indicted I. Irving "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, on five counts of perjury and obstruction of justice.
Two weeks ago, Fitzgerald filed a motion before the federal court in the Libby case stating that his investigation had proved that the White House engaged in "concerted action" from "a plan to discredit, punish or seek revenge against" former ambassador Joseph Wilson, who revealed that the rationale of the Iraq war was based on false information that the White House knew was bogus. Fitzgerald declared further that he had gathered "evidence that multiple officials in the White House" had outed his wife's clandestine identity to reporters as an element of revenge.
Last week, on April 12, Libby counter-filed to demand extensive documents in the possession of the prosecutor. His filing, written by his lawyers, reveals that he intends to put Karl Rove on the stand as a witness to question him about his leaking of Plame's name to reporters and presumably his role in the "concerted action" against Wilson.
In his request for documents from Rove's files, Libby dropped mention of Rove's current legal status.
For months, Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, has assured the press that his client, who was believed to be vulnerable to indictment for perjury, is in the clear. But Libby insisted that he was entitled to "disclosure of such documents" in Rove's files "even if Mr. Rove remains a subject of a continuing grand jury investigation".
Karl Rove is a subject of Fitzgerald's investigation - this is the headline buried in Libby's filing.
In white-collar criminal investigations, individuals who fall under the gaze of a prosecutor fit into one of three categories: witness, subject or target. Rove's attorney has suggested that Rove is simply a witness. But that is untrue. He is a subject. A subject is someone the prosecutor believes may have committed a crime and is under investigation. If the prosecutor decides he has accumulated sufficient evidence to prove guilt, he will change the designation of that person from subject to target and then indict him or her.
Having successfully completed his most extensive investigation and prosecution, ending with the conviction of former Governor Ryan, Patrick Fitzgerald returns to the unresolved case before him. The federal grand jury considering his evidence began meeting again this morning. Karl Rove remains a subject--for now."
***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***
Take the "Fox is Fake Challenge"
See if you can find Fox News coverage of Dick Cheney's specific involvement in the treasonous act of leaking a covert agent.
I bet you can't.
(Winner gets a thumbs up; loser gets...what we've already gotten--screwed.)
Click here.
***The thing is, if you control the Senate meetings, you control the gavel. And the gavel is a very important instrument... an instrument of power. An instrument that establishes the agenda.
Dan Quayle former Republican VP of George Bush Sr***
Wow, Fox is Fake, great links.
Here's one that caught my eye because it usually has a very Republican reputation.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=ak0UdfMoKCZs&refer=top_world_news
Cheney's Notes Show Focus on Wilson, Prosecutor Says (Correct)
May 13 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said handwritten notes show that Vice President Dick Cheney and his staff focused on rebutting criticism of the Bush administration's reasons for going to war with Iraq.
The notes -- which Cheney wrote on the margins of a July 6, 2003, New York Times opinion article by former ambassador Joseph Wilson -- were included in court filings by Fitzgerald late yesterday. Fitzgerald is investigating the disclosure of the identity of Wilson's wife, former CIA operative Valerie Plame.
I Lewis ``Scooter'' Libby, Cheney's former chief of staff, has been charged with lying and obstructing the probe. Fitzgerald said the notes rebut defense claims that Libby was too busy on other matters to remember every detail of what he told a grand jury.
``Those annotations support the proposition that publication of the Wilson Op-Ed acutely focused the attention of the vice president and the defendant -- his chief of staff -- on Mr. Wilson,'' Fitzgerald wrote in his filing.
My question is: How will Cheney withstand this media onslaught. It reminds me of how Spiro Agnew get caught on tax evation things right before the impeachment of Tricky Dick.
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OMG...Nolie, I had never seen this before. Thanks to the person who located this DU link and posted it again. It's the early Fitzgerald investigation. Before I even knew what a blog was!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=211244
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