So i'm pretty new to this so i'm not sure of the techincal workings or how to site other people profiles... but anyway, I just read someones blog entitled rascim against whites.He felt he was being discriminated against because of the lack of scholarships available for middle class white Americans.
This is where I stop to so that statement can sink in.
I was really upset when I read this because I know why there are soo many scholarships for minorities.They are there for a specific reason. There are more minority organizations offering scholarships. The money was earned and collected by hardworing minorities so why should that money be offered to a middle class white student with every opportunity in the world when theres a 1st generation hispanic boy who can barely afford the demands of public school and more than likely his parents might not even be finnancially able to acquire a student loan. There are lots of scholarships avaiable for middle class white americans but its implied. I mean I have never met a black memeber of the North American Elk hunting society lol why don't you apply for that and after that you can research what real racism is, because if you think you not being abble to apply for a NAACP scholarship is racism then ... I will stop here because I don't want to offend anyone.
You missed the point of the blog. The point was that it would be conidered racist by a large number of people if a scholarship was set up for white students only. Whites are held to another standars. If we were to have a white pride parade, racist. White istory month, racist. White scholarship fund, super-duper racist.
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No buddy! The point of the blog was just to illustrate how some ...not all. white americans feel as though they are eminent. There is nothing wrong with a all white scholarship. There are plenty out there if you serach.What is wrong with a white pride parade is the the "white pride" too close to "white power" . It is all about presentation. It is the same reason thta I use the term "white Americans" in stead of "whites". I am careful in my words choice so I get my point across and not offend anyone. No one oppossed to Columbus day and he was a white man." Whites are held to another standards" Why? because some white americans place themselves on a Pedestal.White organizations offer scholarships they just aren't called "white scholarships" just as the NAACP scholarship isn't called "the black scholarship"
No one oppossed to Columbus day and he was a white man.
Plenty of people oppose Columbus Day. At my school, we don't get Columbus Day off, President's Day... none of that. But we get MLK day.
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Sorry if I seem to be attacking you but I just don't understand why white Americans sometimes feel as though they are better.I belive subconciously the reason why all white scholarships are so hard to find is because we as a society feel that caucasians are too good for financial aid.
I don't understand why black americans feel they are better than white americans too. All this affirmative action and scholarships for minorities is stupid. Minorities are just as racist as majorities. But I do agree that caucasians need finacial aid too, just as badly as jews, blacks, muslims, pick your race/religion.
The playing field should be leveled, I shouldn't be waitlisted because the quota for my race has been met and someone less qualified than me has been bumped up because they are part of their races quota in the school.
and no I'm not white, I'm hispanic, so i'm considered a minority.
Im completely with you. For some reason, there are a lot of whites who just think that being white is so hard. If we are real with ourselves, racism cannot exist against a race in power. Seriously.
What need is there for a white pride parade?? Has anyone ever given the white race a reason to not have pride? Minorities, on the other hand, have been in the position, and are still in the position where we are treated as less of people. There is a need for pride! We need to celebrate who we are so that we can make steps forward and advance!
At the same time, Columbus day is a national holiday. we Celebrate a (white) man who led to the killing of Native Americans and the taking of land that is rightfully theirs. That definitely isn't something that native Americans are happy about celebrating. Yeah, its mostly a white day.
Yes, whites can get plenty of scholarships. And they have better opportunites to move out of bad neighborhoods into good ones, with good educational systems. Everything really evens out. It seems that some whites (and a small percentage) just feel like wearing the "victim" label. But it really isnt necessary.
I love you. Everything you just said is soo true.lol. You should write a book.
You just hate white people.
Do a find and replace on your blog and comments, find white and caucasion then replace it with black or negro. Now pretend a white person wrote it. Your blatant racism really supports the point made in the blog you oppose.
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"There is nothing wrong with a all white scholarship. There are plenty out there if you serach"
Wrong it would be illegal. Before you start yelling and calling me names why don't you find one and post the link.
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You are fortunate in that most overt racism has been eliminated in the US. Now take advantage of that and erase your own ignorance. You might start by considering how your screen name could be seen as racist and sexist.
A fact is always better than an ideal
actually I chose that user name for a reason. It was meant as a satire.I am a feminist and I am 100% for the advancement of people of color black, white, green or brown. If you allow me to establish myself and my identity you will find why I decided on such a screen name. I do not hate white people .I love all poeple regardless of race and you will find most of my friends are white.In fact I have otften been ridiculed by many African Americans because they claim I " act white" (if it is possible to act a race. The truth is as I have said a million times race scholarships have nothing to do with actuall race it has to do with the fact of those that need it the most will get them.You can not deny that minorities as a whole live more in poverty then White Americans
To be honest if you read my posts you will discover I also do not use the term negro I will say African Americans Just as I state White Americans and hispanics I try to be politicall correct. I will admit i used the term Indian, which somd may find offensive..also I have never stated I was African Ameriacan in that post you assumed that (and maybe because of my picture). I think you should focus more on the issue and less on attacking. To those that oppse race based scholarships they are the ones that are using a racist perspective.When I see a scholarship inteded for an African American female I just see it as another chance to advance myself.
no one is opposing scholarships based on gender or parental background. No one in my family has never fought in the Army (THIS IS JUST TO MAKE A POINT NOT TO BE INSENSITIVE TO THE ARMY OR TO DEFAME ANY SACRIFICE EVER MADE BY AN ARMY VETERAN). I could just as easily say thats unfair.
"You are fortunate in that most overt racism has been eliminated in the US. Now take advantage of that and erase your own ignorance." Escuse me but I have been to 7 different countries and in my opinion America is the worst whjen it comes to racist attitudes.So how about you look at things out side of yourself and realise that you are being ignorant for accusing me of being a racist because I simple agree that sometimes race must be used encourage certain people to attend college.
Nothing that I said had to do with anything about you except your words.
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'my response to racism against blacks:haha!'
'I know why there are soo many scholarships for whites.They are there for a specific reason. There are more white organizations offering scholarships. The money was earned and collected by hardworing whites so why should that money be offered to a Poor black student'
'The point of the blog was just to illustrate how some ...not all. black americans feel as though they are equal'
'What is wrong with a black pride parade is the the "black pride" too close to "black power" .'
Then a few from the comenter you praised with: "Everything you just said is soo true"
'For some reason, there are a lot of blacks who just think that being black is so hard.'
'It seems that some blacks (and a small percentage) just feel like wearing the "victim" label'
Quite a few more statements I would have had to masacre a little more to reverse the race in question. They were just as bad or worse.
There are currently laws that protect every special interest group except whites, and even more specifically white men (still looking for those 'white only' scholarships?). They are there to help erase some of the realities that remain as a result of the recent history of discrimination in this country. That is arguably a good thing. If that discrimination went on for too long it would be just as wrong as the original discrimination.
Why should any person be refused a business loan, scholarship, admission to college, or anything else solely on the basis of race and gender?
Anything you are given for free does not benefit you as much as something you have to work and fight for. Pride comes from accomplishment, and things you acheive from your own work. A 'pride' parade for your race is a racist demonstration. Wake up sista!
A fact is always better than an ideal
All you have done is tried to make it appear as though excluding whites from certain scholarships is wrong but you don't understand why those scholarships are there.So once more I will state the reasons.
Those scholarships are offered by a certain group to a certain group.Is it wrong when a retired veteran offers a scholarship to the children of other veterans? No! but when the NAACP offers a scholarship to African Americans or when an Native American offers one to a native American its wrong. Please take a momment to set racism aside in this situation and understand that those shcolarships are there for a reason.
There are currently laws that protect every special interest group except whites, and even more specifically white men--> They don't need protection... in fact they are the ones that make the laws.
I am not a racist in anyway just simply giving my opinion on the subject. To be honest if you look at all the discrimination in the world, if you look at all the people that loose their lives on a daily basis you will understand that a minority scholarship is not that big of a deal.
You wanna know what real racism against white Americans is?
Talk to someone who has been to the middle east.
My main problem with the original blog was that looking back at history and studying current events poeple die and go through so much heart ache because of their heritage and I just feel it is ridiculous to compare application for a scholarship
to the demeaning of a people.
"They don't need protection... in fact they are the ones that make the laws."
Some poor 18 year old white boy trying to get through school does not "make the laws" any more than his hispanic or black brothers or sisters.
The right to exclude any minority or gender still exists. That might not bother you if you are not effected. I doubt rich kids going to Yale like Bush and Kerry care who is discriminated against, They didn't when they were in school back in the 60s. 40 years later many minorities are protected from it. Were the civil rights leaders wrong to speak out against that exactly as the blogger you are criticising is?
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"I mean I have never met a black memeber of the North American Elk hunting society lol why don't you apply for that and after that you can research what real racism is, because if you think you not being abble to apply for a NAACP scholarship is racism then ... I will stop here because I don't want to offend anyone."
I beleive offending people who are wrong is often required to help them along. So go ahead and offend me. Explain why racism should continue, and if so how long?
Do you know ANY members of the North American Elk hunting society? Why do you stereotype the members? Did they deny you a scholarship on the basis of race? If they did you can force them to relent, unless you're white.
A fact is always better than an ideal
That is a defacto legal quota. Not just the MOST RACIST that blatantly exclude a certain race like the NAACP scholarships. If any scholarship offering body discriminates against any candidate based on race except whites they can be forced to reward to the harmed party. EEOC will gladly help you with your case for free. Thus racial quotas are used by most of these organizations, especially the larger ones, and less qualified minorities are included over equal or better qualified whites.
Are you aware of this?
A fact is always better than an ideal
You sir continue to ignore the main point I have been trying to make.Minority sholarships are offered by minority groups.You can not get upset at a group of people who are trying to advance themseves.It is because of this I do not get upset at scholarships aimed to those who intend to go into journalism.It is intended to help journalist advance same of minority scholatships.You continue to ignore that point .You are consummed by the racial aspect.
If you meant something else you should have said it.
You sound like a nice person. It is to your credit (and your parents) that you are so civil when attacked. I'm sure that we both agree with the reasons for the current discrimination. Even though I presently think it is neccessary. I do think someday it will have to stop.
If that meant allowing all scholarships to discriminate on the basis of any race they chose, OK that would be fine someday, but as you said laws are here for a reason. Maybe in 20 or 50 years things will have progressed enough to allow that. In 1969 and 2007 that is not true. It is unfortunate that some kids born 18 years ago have to suffer for it.
I am taking offence at your implication that it is OK for a group you don't care about because of their race to be hurt by discrimination. That is the exact position of most white people before the civil rights movement. What would you call those people?
A fact is always better than an ideal
I'm not saying it is ok to discriminate, those scholarships that do discriminate do not do so to hurt anyone or reduce anyones chances.They do it to increase the opportunity for people who are either 1.) like them. 2.) need funds or 3.) have expressed a need for recognition in a certain field.
America tries so hard to make sure everyone is equal but in reality they just screw someone else over. I'm not racist, I don't see skin color I see people and I don't think businesses should keep a percentage of skin color around, if you qualify you should get hired. If you goof off and don't do shit, you should get fired.
Exactly. Take affirmative action. It doesn't matter how qualified you are, what matters is if the quota for your race has been met. If it hasn't, they hot dog, you might get in. But if it has, well then someone who might, remember i said might, be less qualified than you will get in so they school can meet that race's quota.
It's like that everywhere it seems.
Yes and it is there for a reason. Look at it as a moral law. What do you think would happen if such things as quotas were not in place? Not just in schools but in every walk of life. Laws are not placed into use for fun, they are there for a reason
Moral laws be bullshit, comparing this to a moral law is stupid. If such quota's weren't in place, people who are qualified to go to the school/get a job, would get them, not based on their skin color but by qualifications and character.
I want to get a job based on my qualifications and character, not based on the fact that I am a minority. Affirmative action goes completely against MLK and civil rights movement of the 60's, at least in my eyes.
The fear is that by removing these laws people will resort to discrimination and favortism. Not just against minorities against everyone.
Kinda like black history month is discrimatory?
Wait, wow, what did you just say? "The fear is that by removing these laws people will resort to discrimination and favortism. Not just against minorities against everyone."
Lets look at the word, everyone....that mean everyone, all races, religions, whatever. However you read my point wrong yet again. I said that the affirmative action and having a quota on race in the workplace/college is bullshit. In my opinion and from my study of the Constitution, affirmative action breaks the laws that you are talking about. The policies on discrimination that every company and school follow are broken when you say only a certain amount of people per race can come here.
do some research and find out the reason that those quotas were placed into college settings. It was because someone who was properly qualified did not get the opportunity because he was African American.If a quota says that 20% of students must be grenn then they don't just let in anyone that is green.The take 20% of green qualified people. You make it seem as though those let into a school on the basis of a quota are not qualified. I hear a lot of subconsious biais
Some are qualified and some are not. Why don't you research and see top tier schools and see which the percentage of them who after meeting the quota, let someone in less qualified. Listen, I knew a black friend who didn't get in because his racial quota was met. It happens to everyone not just whites, you are being biased by assuming I only meant whites.
Your exact words were " want to get a job based on my qualifications and character, not based on the fact that I am a minority" so i did not assume I used your words. Also go back and read your posts even though you never said this it is almost as if you are inferring that minority quotas are filled with unqualified people when the entire qualified group is admitted. What makes you think that minorities don't posses the qualifications to completely fill the quota with those that are qualified? If is very hard to get across a point when all I get in response is subconscious stereotyping.
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First off, it's hard to blog during the school day. Second, you are splitting hairs to make it sound like I'm a racist. Sometimes I said that happens, and to every race, not just minorities. So, it can't be subconscious sterotyping, but I see it from you.
then you just contradicted yourself , anyhow
you speak as though you feel minoriries are charity cases. I considered your arguments . still I asked other people to read your comments and they picked up on the same tone things I did. Either way I am not here to argue about your consience or subconscience nature. I am just here to state that it is silly to say that certain scholarships being offered to certain races is racism.lol Anyone that honestly feels that is 1.) over analyzing the situation 2.) sounds ridiculous 3.) needs to do research on what rel racism is.
The best ideas ever conceived never made history because they were never expressed.
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Minorities treat themselves like fucking charity cases! You have no idea what I know about racism. I've seen it first hand, im not african american but im hispanic. I'm treated like a charity case because LULAC cripples me to look like a charity case and says that I am one because i'm hispanic..
It is racism to do that with scholarships. Just like it is called racist to have all (enter your race) schools. You're contradicting yourself here. If only certain races can have scholarships for their race, then certain races should be able to have schools just for their race.
I have an underlying hate for racism. And a subconscience annoyance for people who throw around racism without understanding it whatsoever and who are unable to move on.
I think it is easy for some poeple to say "thats not fair" when they feel someone is getting a chance they don't... but what I belive some people don't see are the implied benefits. I am an African American femaile and I am of a lower middle class 1 parent home. I understand that I get opportunities others might not but at the same time others get opportunities I might not. However I don't get upset about it I simply state my case and do what ever I must to help myself advance. To be honset if it wasn't for minority scholarships many would not apply for higher education ... but I see it pointless trying to argue my case If some poeple will not look past what they think fairness is. There is no way to say that something is fair or unfair because fairness is subjective.In something as complex as this there are lots of factors that one does not see but play a huge role.
Whites in America have the same exact educational opportunitys as Blacks (in that I mean, your education depends on your own ability to work/ study hard to get it). It is not right to say that its easier for a white to go to high school, or college or ect. over a black... The idea of "minorities" is flawed in the fact that just about every human has the capabilities to enjoy fullness of life as every other.
America is very about equality, but should not support one minority over the another, or even over the middle class.
I would also like to point out that many of the "minority" scholarships, while great for those who aren't "able" to compete with other people in "actual"/ education oriented scholarships are actually not funded for by the minorities who are "working hard" to provide that money but actually by financially stable middle class families, citizens, and organizations who want to support those scholarships.
I do not belief it is right to provide minorities the ability to fall back on their race as a crutch to the fact they might not be able to compete with a student who educationally can win a certain scholarship.
(Although I do belief minority scholarship do alot of good.)
No offense of course... Just pointing out what I have learned.
Well then you should do more reserach.I am not speaking of government funds I am speaking or private funds. No offense of course. Also this is directed at you but people are so against quotas, if discrimination was not a problem they would have never been established.I really feel as though many of you that feel unmoved are very apathetic because you have not been exposed to the real effects of racism.
i agree...
if Europeans would have never enslaved millions of Africans we wouldnt be here....blame your ancestors......and most notably without the backbreaking labor of slaves America would not be the Economic giant it is now..
during slavery America was the largest importer of cotton in the world.....Guess who planted, picked and cleaned the cotton before it was manufactured into clothing?
think about it
1) Racism against one group is wrong. That doesn't excuse reciprocal racism.
2) You do know who sold slaves to European slave dealers?
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