It is the responsibility of adults, parents, and teachers, to educate our children so they may grow to lead responsible, healthy lives. Therefore, it saddens me to know that there are children who are not making smart choices because of lack of information, especially in our schools. That is why I think we need to examine the abstinence-only policy and expand the curriculum to include safe sex education as well.
Only seven percent of Americans believe that there should be zero sex education in our school system, so why are we limiting the information we provide to our students?
Forty-six percent say we should teach “abstinence-plus”, which would include topics on
safe sex, using condoms, birth control, and how to obtain said items. I must agree with
that forty-six percent, for without the knowledge of safe sex our young adults (middle to
high school) are engaging in acts that could harm them, both physically and emotionally.
Forty-eight percent of all STDs occur among 15-24-year-olds. If they do not know
about the various diseases and STDs that they could be coming in contact with, how are
they to know that they are passing them along to their sexual partners? Are we expecting
them to ask an adult about their troubles when they have been taught sex is “bad” until
you’re married? Also, sexually active teens who do not use contraceptives have a ninety
percent chance of pregnancy within one year. Fourteen percent of teen pregnancies end in a miscarriage, twenty-nine percent in abortion, and fifty-seven percent in birth.
One of the most controversial topics in sex education is whether or not to talk about
homosexuality; however, only nineteen percent of Americans say it should not be
discussed in school. Suicide is the third leading cause of death for 15-25-year-olds, and
studies show that homosexual youth are two-three times more likely to attempt suicide,
and those uncertain of their sexual orientation are at even higher risk of attempting
suicide. If homosexuality is not discussed, or youth feel that it is not safe to bring it up or
ask questions about it, these suicide statistics will only increase. It is hard enough to be a teen, with a body going through changes, but it is even harder to be a teen who feels
different and alone. I therefore feel it is most important that our young people feel safe
talking to their elders about the these changes and differences they face as they grow.
It is nieve to think that our youth are not going to be sexually active just because
they are told to not have sex. Therefore, it is the duty of our adults, teachers and parents
to help them in their search of themselves. The topic of sex should start at home with the
parents, but be available at school for those who either do not get it at home, or don’t feel
comfortable talking to their parents about it. With safe sex education we can help
decrease the percentage of teen pregnancies and teen suicides due to unsure sexual
orientation and help our young adults to make responsible decisions about sex.
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The Bush Administration just initiated more funding for abstinence-only programs in high school and also wanted to include a provision in African aide to mandate abstinence-only education.
A well articulated blog, forward this information to the President.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/jloigman
Well written... the problem is, the only "safe sex" is no sex.
50% of the time condoms are not affective. birth control is not completely affective either.
And condoms do not protect from HPV, which is contracted through skin to skin contact.
People do need to be discussing these issues. I'm in a drama team that goes to high schools called "BreakDown" that does just that.
(check us out... www.breakdownindy.com )
But the thing is.... Condoms wont help. Neither will a lot of things.
And yes, homosexuality MUST be discussed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Especially among the parents... that's were most of it starts.
safe sex is no sex? hmmm. I don't know about that. If you're on birth control and use condoms the likeliness of getting pregnant is slim to none. AND what about the HPV vaccine? If more people knew about it and were actually getting it then that would narrow things down a bit wouldn't it.
WRONG...My cousin was on birth control and she now has a beautiful little girl. Not all man-made things are fool-proof. Americans put their total trust in anything just so they could have a little fun.
"In a world where we all can't make up our minds, we are definitely too sure of ourselves."
J for the juicy truth
What the hell are you talking about? Condoms only effective 50% of the time? Where did you get your facts?
No, birth control is not 100% effective. Neither are condoms. But I think your facts are extremely skewed... please, PLEASE do some research.
Oh, and the thing about birth control is that you have to take it correctly.
If you take your pill six or seven hours late, you could be risking pregnancy. If you miss a pill by mistake, you're risking pregnancy. That's how most pregnancies happen on birth control; the pills are not taken correctly.
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I have a theory that birth control would be 100% effective (instead of the 98.7% or whatever it is) if everyone taking it used it correctly. Too many people don't realize that taking it 5 or 6 hours after you're supposed to really can make a huge impact. I really think that 1.3% (or whatever) is the maker's fail safe against blame in the case of improper use.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/sawaboof
"...There is a crushing guilt that comes with being a Catholic. Whether things are good or bad or you're simply... eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt."
-30 Rock-
Um, actually I got my facts from the National Public Radio (NPR) website. So..... maybe you should check your info.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
where, exactly? I'm just curious. I would like to read the article.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/sawaboof
"...There is a crushing guilt that comes with being a Catholic. Whether things are good or bad or you're simply... eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt."
-30 Rock-
EFFECTIVENESS OF BIRTH CONTROL PILLS:
The following are facts if the pills are not used correctly or not used consistently:
Hormone shot (like Depo-Provera): 0.3% chance of pregnancy
Estrogen and/or Progestin Pill: 5% chance of pregnancy
Oh, that's from the FDA website: http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html
Oh, AND that's the HIGHEST rate. If the method is used 100% CORRECTLY, the chances of pregnancy are as follows:
Hormone shot (like Depo-Provera): 0.3% chance of pregnancy
Estrogen/Progestin Pill: 0.1% chance of pregnancy
Progestin ONLY Pill: 0.5% chance of pregnancy
EFFECTIVENESS OF CONDOMS:
The following is if condoms are used incorrectly or are not used during intercourse every time:
Latex male condoms: 14% chance of pregnancy
If the condoms are used correctly every time: 3% chance of pregnancy.
I think I've done well to prove my point and check my facts.
You, however, are still desperately lacking.
(All this information from http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html)
I can still find you more, if you'd like.
I don't think it's my info that needs to be checked, my friend.
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Did you read my blog? Cuz, you obviously didn't if you're arguing with me about the effectiveness of condoms and birth control. Just to update you, my blog was about how schools should teach students about how to use condoms, birth control, where to get them, etc. I don't recall making any rash statements about how using birth control and/or condoms would prevent pregnancy. I believe I clearly stated facts about who wants abstinence-only taught, abstinence-plus, or no sex ed at all. If you're wondering what all that means, you can go read my blog, it is stated there. It is interesting to see that just by mentioning "safe sex" people suddenly argue about things I'm not even talking about.
the response was to the comment incorrectly stating that condoms were only 50% effective, not to you.
I got a little confused earlier because I didn't notice a difference in user names when you replied that your information was from npr.org. So I spent a nice amount of time looking for where on NPR they would ever state that condoms are only 50% effective, which I couldn't find and why I asked for a specfic NPR link. Then I realized that you were not the same person who stated incorrect information.
But anyway, BurningExample's response was not to you. :-)
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/sawaboof
"...There is a crushing guilt that comes with being a Catholic. Whether things are good or bad or you're simply... eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt."
-30 Rock-
Thank you, Sawaboof. I didn't notice the change, either... mostly because colonelsam responded to the comment I intended for Bai, so I assumed colonelsam was Bai.
I apologize, colonelsam... my comment was intended for Bai.
And it was not my intention to comment about your blog at all (or detract from it in any way), I was merely responding to Bai's ridiculously incorrect facts.
Please accept my apologies, colonelsam :)
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That is just it, there is so much people want to say, so much opinions too much anger about something that should be easily shared. You may have wanted your blog to go a certain direction but humans and their opinions change the course of direction. That is the problem with most issues...one gets caught up on a direction because they believe they have the best and most correct opinion...and that is all this blog is asking Your opinions.
People try to add some facts to make their opinions stronger. Everything on the internet, accredited sites, .org and even history books can have incorrect information and often does. We humans seem to latch upon a concept that "seems" to be "right" and go with it. It takes much more research on more humans that have more highly educated opinions, only to make another opinion. Facts are harder to come by without adding ones opinions...that is just the way it is. So when fact is mistated people go crazy and try to say...see this is why blah, blah, blah....
So when your blog goes a direction that you didn't intend this is a perfect example of life and why you need to be a self advocate and educate yourself and help your peers educate themself. Anyone making supposed statements of hard core facts usually contain more opinions than you realize to get you to side with their side because they are more "right". Be responsible and be mature, somewhere in the middle of everything is something you can "latch on to" to be safe in body and mind.
my mom got pregnant on birth control.
and, i know people who used protection, and got STD's including HPV.
The vaccine, also does not cover all strains, and even for the strains it does protect,
its only %70 affective. THe vaccine also takes a long period to be affective, if at all.
The vaccine is crap. I've chosen not to get it because I dont support it.
Now, I do think Africa needs it. That would maybe eliminate some of the problem.
1) HPV Vaccines effective 70%
2) Birth Control Pill effective 99.8%
3) Condoms effective 50%
4) No sex effective 100%
Don't wanna get an STD, or pregnant. Can't handle the risks, than DON'T HAVE SEX, PERIOD. Don't mean to sound mean but it's the plain truth. Can't anyone handle it?
"In a world where we all can't make up our minds, we are definitely too sure of ourselves."
J for the juicy truth
Why the hell do you all think that condoms are only 50% effective? If that were the case, we'd have LOTS more babies running around!
See my comment above. This is all ridiculous.
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Ok, the idea of safe sex is YOU ARE HAVING SEXUAL INTERACTION. If you are not having any sex then you of course are safe from sexually transmitted diseases and from getting pregnant. The vaccine is for keeping your internal female parts as healthy as possible before you have sexual behaviors so that once you start you have an opportunity to already be somewhat protected against some diseases. It doesn't promote you to having sex, it is future protection that can help your future body.
People will at some time have sex and when you do you are protected against SOME not all potentail problems females face every day. Genital warts can turn into cancer cells and create big problems (among other issues, this is just an example). Ok, so we know most (not all) all teenagers are having sexual behaviors of one form or another, these are the girls and boys, men and women, being addressed. All forms, I will say it again,
ALL FORMS of sexual contact can and does transmit disease and may or may not make you get pregnant. All forms of intercourse can get you pregnant, but you may get lucky..... (why risk getting pregnant?) GIRLS get smart! If you are one that is engaging in sexual behaviors then what must you do to protect yourself and your current life choices? Have safe sexual behaviors, ok what does that mean?
Wearing condoms, being on the pill, using the creams that kill "some of the bad stuff", you HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF FIRST. The boy/men will not take care of much if anything if given the chance...it feels better to go natural but it is definitely not a behavior to follow EVER! Now, every parent does not want their teenagers having any kind of sexual behavior-and i am included in this thought--you guys obviously all don't listen to this wise content to this concept--
Don't be stupid and say "I didn't know" or "I thought....it wouldn't happen". Then be smart and do the right thing for yourself. Take care of yourself and BE PROTECTED at ALL COSTS!!
BE SMART!
Find out the answers before you do anything! Think--it is import to think before you leap.
Talk to others that are trusted.
All I am saying is that I think information about condoms, birth control pills, STDs, homosexuality, etc. should be available in schools. I did not make any arguments about the statistics of the effectiveness of said items. People who get pregnant and say "I didn't know..." aren't stupid, they just didn't have the information they needed to make a responsible decision about sex.
I don't agree to a point, "they aren't stupid" but their choice to live uniformed is, or to think it isn't going to happen to them...that is stupid. You ask anyone of them...did they know to whom to turn and why not or why so.
The information is out there. Ask anyone of the girls if they heard of planned parenthood, if they have friends they can turn to or friends parents or what responsible thing have they done to promote their well being.
Yes, it should be available at school as well, but isn't that just an excuse to pretend your are uniformed?
I'm sorry to be so harsh, but you're assumption that every young woman has access to information, or is even aware that it's out there, is no middle-class suburbia, that I had to say something. Having lived in lower socio-economic places, I can assure you that when parents are working around the clock to make ends meet, they're not informing their children about safer sex practices; and when over-crowded schools which can't even afford textbooks for their students can pull together the time and resources to have an effective Sex Health class, that will be a miracle. I have an incredibly intelligent friend in a neighborhood of L.A. where people do not go if they can avoid it, and she became pregnant at 17. Everything she knew about sex came from T.V. and movies; that's all she's ever had access to. I knew her before she became pregnant, and, like you, assumed that she would have had access to information about pregnancy and STDs. I was wrong. And I will carry that guilt forever. I hope that if you are ever in a similar situation, that you will be more wise than I was.
Today, in Urban developement there are (even in L.A.) many programs geared towards teenagers. I am assuming your pregant 17 year old friend is much older now. Many teenagers choose to skip these programs and they "they already know everything". When a teenager does choose to go how many male students do you think attends the male program? Even less than do females. I don't have the figures of facts but I can tell you this is what my friend who was a speaker for these programs told me.
While I certainly understand the 16 and 17 year olds .... like my own mother, she turned 16 two weeks before my birth, so this is quite real for me too from the other side. Did she teach me...no, I taught myself. Did I know you could get pregnant from intercourse? Yes absolutely, yes. When I had my first encounter do you think I was smart enough to know better at 181/2? I knew but did not follow through with what I knew...I didn't think. I was Lucky! I didn't get pregnant. So I feel like I have a connections with these teenager, because no one made sure...
So, while your friend didn't know and ( I may be wrong) but I think it was a different time. Today's children certainly know they have access to information more information than i had and i knew. (and where i grew up as a teenager was definitely more backwards than here in CA)
Today's children can see the result with some of their other friends and maybe some other family members. If the children are home schooled and protected from the average life, I would believe they had no way of knowing, but those in the public schools are very well aware. Just like I was rougly some 25 years ago as a high schooler. while i understand parents who care for their babies are trying to work to make ends meet and the last thing on their minds is educating their children to make sure of information on safe sex, the truth is it is still out there and available. It is out there and available at all schools even in the worst schools. But you have to become a self motivated person to be able to learn and look into these kinds of things.
Groups go out to schools with real people who talk about their experiences and why they want teenagers to be protected.
Sorry, I couldn't let this one go unreplied to. I am in my senior year of high school. I have a friend who has had unprotected sex, even though she knew the risks, and oh my goodness my friends and I really let her have it when we found out and we even offered to take her to plan parenthood and get her on some birth control. She hasn't talked about it since then and as far as I know she hasn't gotten any birth control yet. I had sex ed in 7th grade- didn't really talk about safe sex, I had it agin in 9th grade- we talked about not having sex and using condoms. Then we talked about how drugs are bad. Yeah, so to say that teenagers these days are more informed... oh man. I have seen and heard some pretty scarily stupid stuff just because they didn't know. Not everyone is self motivated, ready to go out into the world and talk about safe sex. What about the quiet kids that sit in the back of the room, who don't talk to anybody about anything because they're too depressed and then one day they stop coming to school and finally you notice that they're gone. What if they were dealing with an issue that was suddenly brought up in the classroom, and they could remain their quiet selves and be educated all at the same time!? What a thought!
So you are saying that they made a choice, they are informed but have made a choice not to protect themself--and maybe for all the wrong and uniformed reasons. But they do know the difference, they know about the products but are still choosing to have unprotected sex. Two different debates. As far as the shy quiet and sad children, while they need to be attended to, what you are asking is for their hand to be held.
In a public school situation that generally will not happen. Having someone hold your hand (figuratively) and get you to be protected is a parent's responsibilty/private responsibility. School can only reach the children that want to be reached, the other children (and I am one) will have to learn differently.
But you say....so and so's parent does not believe nor speak about this ... so who's job does it become when a parent chooses not to inform their child? Public school?...well they can only do so much.
This is why I am glad high schoolers are computer savvy. They can go to the internet and look things up in private. They can find out to whom they should speak to, if they want to take a different path. So while your friends know what the difference is yet still make uneducated decisions is beyond me.
they can only do so much? ir is their job to make sure EVERYONE gets educated. That's one of the big preoblems about the education system in this country. No child left behind, it's more like only selected children move forward.
they can only do so much? ir is their job to make sure EVERYONE gets educated. That's one of the big preoblems about the education system in this country. No child left behind, it's more like only selected children move forward.
Oh my don't get me started on the"no child left behind"---which is still leaving everyone behind!!!!! That is just such a wrong WRONG WRONG program and for a different blog.
Yes it is a job of education, of presenting education (in general), it is your job as the student to participate and ask for help when you don't understand or don't get a concept another words it is the students' job to learn. It is the parents job to support and direct additionally what the student get from school as well as the outside world.
Be careful what you continue to ask the gov't to be involved in. I don't want the gov't discussing with my child their opinions on how my daughters priviate sexual life should be run.
Education is primarily gov't run --at least in public school. I want the gov't to provide my daughters with the best darn education possible in the way my daughters can learn. It is still my job to guide my children with their private life. You say but some parents don't...well that is why the school does participate with medically educating the concepts and that is why planned parenthood is available to provide more private clarity and that is why there are people who will and would assist you privately. And the school councelor would certainly help tell you where to go for you to find out what your options are.
You as the student need to take responsibility for you and again...be a self advocate even if you are shy, depressed, and don't know to whom to turn. I want to hold everyone's hand but that is just not possible. I can only hold that hand that allows me to--the one that truly wants help and the self advocate.
all that is assuming that everyone is the same. There are people who are engagaed in the classroom and there are people who simply are not. They aren't adults, they don't have the mindset of "I have to be engaged in classroom discussion in order to learn" they just wanna get by, be accepted. You're saying if a hand doesn't want to be held then just forget them, there's nothing you can do? What about the hands that don't know they need to held, they don't what it's like to be guided, it is you, as their elder, to try and make them see and help them the best you can and encourage others to take a closer look at the particular individual. You can't leave everyone to fend for themselves.
Right, that is why all information is out there, is presented, personal examples are shown, photo copies of presentation (usually, not always), books, people whom one can turn to and many other ways that at the moment I can't think of. But, it is not presuming that everyone is the same...not even in the slightest other than maybe a common thread.
The personal examples are to tie into the students and connect in ways the students never thougtht of to hook them into thinking and connect.
Now you changing my word from hand holding to guiding is the same thing I am trying to say, it is no different. I am just trying to get you to see the difference between someone who wants to find out and someone who doesn't care or know they care or...what ever.
So are you saying you wanted someone to "force" these other teenagers? Because I do think many people try to do what you are saying but if you the teenager doesn't want to do this...What is the next step?
You and I are agreeing, practically on everything with the exception that you don't want to make the student responsible because they are not an adult. That I don't agree with, I think society has made teenagers not realize that they are quite capable. While society is trying to control teenagers and guide them, something is getting lost in the mix...like knowing you are in control of you, you have choices and you have places and people to turn to.
Instead of arguing with my terms, come up with solutions. Concrete solutions. You are extremely bright. Answer some of the questions I have presented you
throughout this blog. YOu have not (that I am noticing) done anything to say if this then that, and that then this.... Tell me what would work, what exactly for every student.
Personally every student will not be reached by adults, they will be better reached by peers. And there are even programs with teenagers sharing their experiences trying to get the attention of those that will listen.
I have asked a few young girls...teenager in high school and out of high school.
The teenagers in high school act like i am from another planet having this conversation with them in that they don't want to share with me what they know...I don't know...
The girls out of high schoool are a lot more forth coming with their responses.
I asked
do you think girls know where to go to find safe sex items? All said yes. I asked did girls know they should protect themself when the do have sex? All said yes.
Do you know why girls will not follow through with what they know? the similar thread was, they are lazy, or they are afraid. I asked what are they afraid of? how others would judge them if someone saw them getting these materials. I asked well how did they think they would be judged if they got pregnant or otherwise? Obviously not good but fear stops you from doing what you know is the right thing to do.
So my big question is why are teenage girls (not all) frightened about this issue?
I re-read what you wrote, and while I understand the point you make, The programs that I have been speaking about have been funded even if school books seemed to have been thrown to the side (sadly). I believe they have been federally funded which means the state doesn't pay them (the educating members of this program, and I can't think of the name...how convenient!) the feds do.
While that is not my world, and I don't live in that world I can not say for sure other than hearsay.
I got what you're saying, and I agree with you. The abstinence-only education policy is harmful because it does not provide a full education, nor allow for one.
One of the other problems I have with the program (aside from it not teaching about safe sex) is that it also doesn't let people know that you can contract an STI without having intercourse, from what I've seen. Maybe in some schools it is taught.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/sawaboof
"...There is a crushing guilt that comes with being a Catholic. Whether things are good or bad or you're simply... eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt."
-30 Rock-
Actually, some of the programs...my girlfriend was a speaker for one
They did discuss all forms oral and otherwise.
I forgot to address some of this.
What exactly does the school have to do with on who you are sexual with? You still can contract sexually transmitted diseases, that is what they should be talking about...not your orientation...it is the least important part to sexually transmitted disease. It does matter if you educate yourself since no one else seems to be connecting with you.
I have spoken to many young women who look at me sheepishly (even my own daughter, and i think i am pretty informed...to a point) and think it's weird to have a parent talk with them like this...why are they so weirded out about this?
All I heard about homosexuality growing up was that it was weird, abnormal, and not from my parents but from my peers. It was like something people made fun of, but never really talked seriously about and never really took as a serious subject either. I never heard about it in the classroom. So, when I came out it was like.....what am I doing? Is this okay? How should I aproach it, if at all?! I knew I was gay... had known for a long time just didn't have a name to put to how I felt. I went through it by myself without any guidance from any teacher and it practically killed me! It was one of the most scary times of my life and I never want to go through something like that again. If my health teacher had addressed it I think I would have been more comfortable bringing it up.
I understand what your request is. But it not up to the school to discuss personal issues--which is what I think you are saying.
What direction would you have wanted the topic to go towards in a public classroom? How would you have talked then when you had not opened up to anyone else? Remember it would have been a classroom full of immature kids. I don't really understand how the health teacher could have made it more comfortable for you in your self awareness that suddenly had a name and direction? This concept of openness about being gay is still in it's infancey and I don't think you would have gotten what you needed in a public high school classroom setting.
While my heart goes out to you for your struggle, one needs to go to the appropriate people to have an open trusted conversation. You are speaking about how you felt, what it meant to be you and how you felt with the idea of being gay, looking to see what your identity is and was. I am not sure that kind of conversation could have occured in a classroom setting at least not in high school.
Or are you saying just to have it said that it was "ok" no matter what, would have comforted you?
BE A SELF ADVOCATE, and tell your friends where to look. YOu guys listen to each other (peers) more, than you listen to us adults anyway.
I know I know I am quite the yakker...
How many of your peers have a myspace? Every teenager i know has one, even the teenager who's parents told them they were not allowed to have one have one. What kinds of information are you guys spreading around? Are you sharing your knowledge? Or is the stuff you share you you you...your pictures, your friends...your friends friends, stuff you copied from others that they copied from others. How much time do you guys spend on the internet doing this kind of "stuff" or aim or all the different things that put you out there?
Where is it your responsibility to look this stuff up? This is a three way community responsibility, first it is your parents responsibility to inform you as the child, next having the school back up the information with more medical information, and finally you the child to be a self advocate.
You also have to keep in mind when it comes to school responsiblity, the time in which we live tends to be sue happy, suing for any little thing. The schools have had their fill of being sued for one reason or another they are very limited on what they can do an share as you are under aged students in high school.
How would you have them address these issues? How would they be protected? What can you do?
Most of our society wants to push the blame and/responsibility to anyone but themselves.
If a teenager made a choice to have sex, aren't they smart enough to protect themself? Do you think they never heard of a rubber? or never heard of the pill? Why or Why not? I think many teenagers did have the information to make a responsible decision about sex they just choose not to THINK, and believe NOTHING is going to happen to them.
We are in California, we are not somewhere in the back woods and have no access to anything. YOu guys are teenagers and quite capable...at least that is what you constantly try to convince us (parents) of. How many times have i heard "I know mother you don't have to tell me again, i am not 2!" Then you guys turn around and do the same thing we warned you of and you said you knew! Prove it! Help each other in a way that will promote your positive health.
they should be recieving the TRUTH about condoms, birth control, vaccines, etc.
As my friend Camele says; "The media is pimpin' the youth".
She's right... everyone gets this idea that sex is okay if you "cover up", or pop a pill...
the media's feeding all this to the community.
and its all lies.
*shakes head*
You are mixing in too many different ideas. The media is a whole different idea and attitude altogether.
Look to your doctors, doctors by law can not tell your parents you have spoken to them...they are not media and have much more educated information. TALK EDUCATE yourself and do not assume you are right until YOU have done the leg work not what someone else has told you!
.....i commented on this piece on the wrong page......so i think this is a really good point.
So I'm not gonna add any comments :)
Then why did you comment at all?
To outside readers, it just looks like a pathetic attempt at getting points :(
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Well, that seemed a little harsh! What is wrong with agreeing with an opinion and not restating it? And isn't that what this blog is about....getting points? So what is your point?
The point of this blogging site is to promote progress. Getting points is like an icing on the cake kind of deal.
Comments, generally, are a way of expressing your views towards what someone has written--adding your own thoughts to what they wrote, critiquing something, debating something, explaining why you liked/agreed with it, going off on a tangent (usually that's just in the comment section of my own blogs. weird, I know.), etc.--comments serve their own purpose.
When you comment to say you have nothing to say, it doesn't add to the discussion at all. If you don't want to say anything, but wish to express your like for a blog, you can always rate it. High ratings are always appreciated by everyone! :-)
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/sawaboof
"...There is a crushing guilt that comes with being a Catholic. Whether things are good or bad or you're simply... eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt."
-30 Rock-
Ok, good point. But someone saying they agree does exactly what you have stated. They just did not expand the band of thought , however is still is a contribution.
Just like voting...you vote but you don't expand the thoughts or reasons for it and it is counted even though you only said yes or no.
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I re-read again what you wrote, I think you didn't see in the subject area where that person said they agreed. ?? That they just didn't have anything to add.
It would have been fine had the reader said "I agree because... or "I agree and..."
I saw that he agreed in the title of his comment. But that doesn't make it any less irrelevant (pardon the double negative).
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You are the Voice of the Childwen of the Revowution! [Toulouse, Moulin Rouge]
I have never seen such argumentative readers. When you guys stopped arguing about my blog you start arguing about one comment. Why is it so upsetting to you that FatherMartha agrees with what I said and therefore doesn't want to say anything else. I find it entirely amusing that when one person decided not to argue about what I had to say in my blog you guys took it as an insult. Maybe you should lay off the blogging for a while... Yikes.
When you guys stopped arguing about my blog you start arguing about one comment.
We weren't arguing; we were stating facts. There's a huge difference.
And it's been said here and in many blogs that conversations and debates will not always be centered around the blog itself. The point of this site, as a Progressive blogging site, is for people to bounce ideas off of each other and respond to each other in blogs, forums, and comments. Don't get so offended when people create a different thread branching from your blog. That's the point of this site.
Why is it so upsetting to you that FatherMartha agrees with what I said and therefore doesn't want to say anything else.
I think this point has been made clear already.
It is upsetting that someone would post something that says "I have nothing to add but I'm saying I agree anyway" (yes, I know that's not a direct quote) and getting points towards a scholarship for posting that he didn't need to post. That is what is upsetting, and that's been made clear by more than just me.
I find it entirely amusing that when one person decided not to argue about what I had to say in my blog you guys took it as an insult.
He didn't have to argue what you had to say. That's a ridiculous notion. As I said, he could have said "I agree because..." or "I agree and..." or "I agree but..." ... he could have said anything but "I have nothing to say but I'm posting anyway."
I could care less if he agrees with you or not. That's completely beside the point.
Maybe you should lay off the blogging for a while...
So many unbecoming thoughts come to mind... but I will say only one thing: The point of ProgressiveU is to be progressive. If you don't know what that means, there are plenty of amazing blogs that you can check out that are written by users, new and old, who are attempting to win points in completely valid ways; there are plenty of users who put content in their posts and comments who deserve their points. [disclaimer to this segment of my comment: I am in no way saying that YOU in particular don't know what Progressive means or that you don't deserve your points. Please don't think that. I am merely presenting my rebuttal to your ... harsh comment]
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You are the Voice of the Childwen of the Revowution! [Toulouse, Moulin Rouge]
Oh, I'm sorry you found my comment harsh, it wasn't intended to be. I really loved the interesting conversations that came from my blog and I just thought it was funny that after all the fact hunting my readers did they started a whole conversation from a completely unrelated comment. That's all.
Then I apologize for being so defensive (although I still stand by my comments 8-} )
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You are the Voice of the Childwen of the Revowution! [Toulouse, Moulin Rouge]
Remember some of us are learning this "blogging" stuff, what it means and how to participate, etc. I am quite the newby and old to boot, so my point is cut us some slack. Guide us first then blast if us, if need be, after we can no longer be the newbys on the block.
If my comment was less than friendly, I apologize.
I meant it as a bit of advice. I suggested that outside readers may not take too kindly to something like that. I didn't feel that I was "blasting" anyone.
I am not apologizing for my comment. I do, however, apologize if it was seemingly harsh. I should have made it sound friendlier.
I know it's hard when you're new. If there's something you don't understand, I would recommend reading through the FAQs and going through some older blogs and their comments. Usually you can tell how well the comments were received and whether or not they followed guidelines.
Also, feel free to ask any one of us questions. I will make it a point not to be so blunt in my answers as I was above.
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You are the Voice of the Childwen of the Revowution! [Toulouse, Moulin Rouge]
Thank you for your interests!
And I think you write very well too!
And...I think your dog is cute too!
Thank you, Sawaboof. :)
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You are the Voice of the Childwen of the Revowution! [Toulouse, Moulin Rouge]