I don't know if you guys have heard about this but when I did it just totally tripped me out. Long story short: there's a racism case going on right now in Jena, Louisiana involving 6 black boys accused of trying to murder one of their fellow white classmates in a fight that took place after several heated and in my opinion prejudice events.
How can a school ignore the fact that someone hung a noose from the 'white tree' at the school because a black boy sat under it? Saying it's a harmless prank. Well if they consider someone hanging a noose harmless I would hate to see what they consider serious.
If you haven't heard about it already do yourself a favor and look it up...Free the Jena 6!!
http://www.colorofchange.org/jena/main.html
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What bothers me even more than that is that a white man threatened a few black students with a gun. The students took the gun away from him and they were charged with theft while the guy that threatened them got absolutely no charges whatsoever. Rather screwed up.
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Fallon
"It is never too late to give up your prejudices." Henry David Thoreau
"In case of dissension, never dare to judge till you've heard the other side." Euripides
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This sounds like the West Memphis 3. Who were wrongly accuse of the rape and murder of a little boy because they were into witchcraft and Satanism.
But they shouldn't try to kill the white kid, they should of just beat the crap out of him.
FREE THE JENA 6 AND WEST MEMPHIS 3!
All it was was a school yard fight. They didn't try to kill him, but because racial tension was so high and students had previously been warned that any further incidents would result in the harshest charges possible being brought against them, they were charged with attempted murder.
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Fallon
"It is never too late to give up your prejudices." Henry David Thoreau
"In case of dissension, never dare to judge till you've heard the other side." Euripides
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I heard on the news this morning that there was a similar incident at the University of Maryland.
http://www.progressiveu.org/105129-more-race-attacks-umd
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I was just talking about this to my mother. I'm surprised I haven't seen it talked about on any major news stations
Maryssa R. Williams
Did you dress in all black today for it?
"Louisiana Protest Echoes the Civil Rights Era" http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/us/21jena.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&or...
cuz this is the country we livin in and thank god we got people who know and care- wish i was there too but I'm supporting them too through the petition you already posted
http://www.colorofchange.org/cgi-bin/py/jena-petition.py
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
I am completely sympathetic to the argument that these boys are being charged with crimes that far exceed the level of their actions, but the simple fact is that these kids did attack and beat another kid into unconsciousness.
Now, don't get me wrong. Based on what I have heard in the news, it does sound like these boys are getting a raw deal, and there certainly seems to be an unequal standard of "justice" being applied in this case. But, that doesn't mean that these kids are innocent. The proper response is not to free them, but to charge them fairly in accordance to what they actually did.
I think that some of the white kids in this case got off too easy, as well. Hanging those nooses from those trees strike me as an obvious threat, and the slap on the wrist that the white students received certainly needs to be addressed. The public officials that failed to apply the laws equally need to be held accountable as well.
Were the Jena 6 guilty of Attempted Murder? No way. Attempted Manslaughter? Maybe, but probably not. Assault? Certainly. But, the bottom line is no matter how wronged you might feel, it is not okay to just jump up and start beating the **** out of your tormentors.
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treatment that the white boys get and got and it is obvious that we haven't come that far in many places in the USA and it's not all one sides's group's fault but obviously, the authorities are the prejudiced and racially biased towards the black kids and once you start reading the details
it is obvious that it really does seem like it's the civil rights fight all over again
and of course that fight is fought everyday by most people of color and minorities everyday
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
...and I agree that the reason for the unfair treatment is in all likelyhood racially motivated. Discrimination is wrong, and it should be aggressively fought, but this isn't "civil rights fight all over again" for one simple reason. The kids that attacked their fellow student were not following Dr. King's model of non-violence. The ganged up on a single student in an act of pre-meditated revenge. They were provoked, yes, but when they decided to beat up the other kid, they lost the moral high ground and gave up any claim of "innocence" in this incident.
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"Nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time; the need for mankind to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to oppression and violence. Mankind must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love." ~ Martin Luther King Jr., December 11, 1964
this wasn't like they weren't provoked enough before they retaliated
but it's all relative to the life that we live and experience
i guess it is where our personal choice and opinion comes in
i think it is even though the teachings of MLK jr were not upheld
are we forgetting these aren't adults or yet well versed in the ways of the world to learn how to control themselves and find justice through the right avenues and it is OBVIOUS that the system that often provides authority and justice is seriously flawed and prejudiced in this specific case
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
These kids aren't adults, and they certainly shouldn't be tried as adults. But unless you are being physically threatened, I think it is difficult to justify responding with physical violence. We might excuse a certain amount of violence from kids because they are kids and kids don't always make the best or most rational decisions, but a six-on-one dog pile that results in someone who is also a kid being beaten into unconsciousness is pretty hard to excuse, regardless of what the kid that got beat up might have said.
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"Vi Veri Vniversum Vivus Vici." ~ V.
it isn't upto me to decide
it just won't make the atmosphere or send the right message because of how it began with such unjust and unfairness towards the blacks
and really black people are sick of this shit- don't tell'em that they shouldn't fight violence with violence after hearing every kind of racist/prejudice and other remarks aimed at them/their mom/dad/ancetors and the whole black population even by the people who are supposedly to treat them with fairness and equality and here we still support all this racial profiling and inequality (it's done all quietly)
HOW MUCH does one take until their control breaks?
but I agree the 6 on 1 is totally wrong and needs to be punished
on the other hand, hanging nooses on a tree and referring to a tree as white people's tree?
like WTH kind of a country are we still living in?
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
> on the other hand, hanging nooses on a tree
> and referring to a tree as white people's tree?
> like WTH kind of a country are we still living in?
We are living in a country that STILL has a disgusting amount of racism and prejudice in it, despite the veneer of "tolerance" that we often try to present to the rest of the world.
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"Vi Veri Vniversum Vivus Vici." ~ V.
Civil rights does not mean Martin Luther King, he's just one person. People were fighting for their rights long before him, so you can't say it isn't a civil rights case just because they were violent. Malcolm X is widely considered a major part of the civil rights movement and he wasn't nonviolent. They have the RIGHT to be treated fairly and equally to all other people under the law so it is a civil rights issue.
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I wish people would stop saying Hip Hop is the story of my life
why do you want people to stop saying hip hop is the story of your life
and is it really?
or is some famous artist's quote?
just someone who is curious
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
It's my quote and it's most certainly not the story of my life. I wrote it because I always hear people defend rap by saying that is has meaning to black people as a whole. But it doesn't have any meaning in my life. People equating rap with black just further stereotypes us.
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I wish people would stop saying Hip Hop is the story of my life
like how people expect me to know about indian music or food
i'm pakistani- there is a distinction but people miss that even though we are TWO SEPARATE nations and then people think pakistan and afghanistan are the same thing- i'm like what?
but i can see why that idea/stereotype persists because white people very rarely rap (except for eminem and that other guy, forget his name)
but rap is almost exclusively something black people use to get their message across and the music and lyrics always resonate with people who have been mistreated and teeated unfairly and that is almost always the lower class, who in this country consists of people of color
hahaha, weird and maybe flawed reasoning but that's how i see it
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
...that Dr. King's form of struggle was far effective in achieving change than anything Malcolm X ever did, though I grant that my equating the Civil Rights movement to Dr. King as a unique correlation was a bit imprecise.
But please tell me where I have ever said that these kids do NOT have a "RIGHT to be treated fairly and equally." In fact, I have said exactly the opposite. No offense, but I think its a fairly safe bet to say that I was marching for Civil Rights long before most of the people on this website were even born.
And, just because there is a "civil rights" issue in this case doesn't mean that this is reflective of the Civil Rights movements. As I have said previously, these kids are being treated unfairly. But, they most certainly aren't "innocent." No amount of verbal abuse justifies an act of physical revenge.
it seems plain that those kids did commit a crime, albeit a much lesser crime than the one with which they were charged. Those charges should be dropped, but the kids still need to be held accountable for their actual actions, and they need to be punished in a fair and equal manner. The white kids as well need to be punished in accordance with any appropriate laws that cover their actual actions.
Civil Rights doesn't mean that you can beat up the local bigot and just skate away from the consequences of that by claiming that he discriminated against you.
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"Vi Veri Vniversum Vivus Vici." ~ V.
i didn't mean to imply that you said they don't have a right to be treated fairly but this is still about civil rights. If they hadn't been charged with attempted murder, the kids who hung the nooses were charged with inciting a riot or something of that nature, if the boy who pulled the shotgun on Bailey and his friends was charged assault with a deadly weapon, and everything had been handled properly by the authorities from the beginning, THEN this wouldn't be a civil rights issue. Civil rights is about equality under the law and there was no equality here.
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I wish people would stop saying Hip Hop is the story of my life
In this regard, I we seem to be in total agreement.
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"Vi Veri Vniversum Vivus Vici." ~ V.
you know just reading your view on things made me even madder. What htose white kids did were assualt but non one seems to be giving a shit about that. It all seems to be about what the black boys did, i don't think that's right at all. I mean what htose white kids did was beat he sit out of that one black boy. now becuase of caucasian kids these african american kids have shitload oif drama to worry about. those kids taunted these black kids, but their the one who get away with it.
The white kids should be punished and so should the black kids.
I am all for freeing the jena six, i want those white kids to get what they deserved too. It's get's me so mad how shit like this can just happen. We got to take a stand, now or never!.