Surely I must be joking? Well, not entirely. But wait, they attacked the US, how can you sympathsize with them? That is an involved answer. I love this country will all my heart, my country, not my government. I hate government of any type, especially oppressive ones...which happen to be all government to an extent.
Lets look at why the terrorists hate us. Because we're not Muslim...now this applies to the extremest side of Islam. The average Muslim doesn't feel that way. Islamic Extremsts are the Reverend Phelps and the White Suppremists of Islam. They just happen to have more power than Phelps band of incest children.
They hate Christians. Why is that? Oh I don't know, why don't we look through the Bible to the part where Joshua boots the Muslims that inhabit the area, out because this is the land of the Israelites. For no good reason the Israelites killed and booted out the peoples of Judea and Israel. The only reason was because God told them to do it because they were more important than everyone else. That is the reason that Muslims and Israelies can't live peacefully. They both believe that they are more important to their God. It doesn't help that Christianity is a branch of Judaism, that has become its own religion. Kinda like how Islam was a branch of Judaism. So the Jews killed muslims in the early years, then Christians killed Jews and Muslims in the middle ages, and now Islamic Extremeists are having their revenge. Sounds like what goes around does indeed comes around. All this because everyones God had the biggest dick.
Lastly the terrorist hate that we are building bases in their countries and turning their culture American. And I know for damn sure that if that happened here, that Americans would be outraged and would fight back. So why are we any different than them? We aren't, the problem is that we are looking through our own perspective and not anyone elses. I can understand why countries in the middle east protect terrorists, just like we'd protect our terrorists if say Hitler had succeeded.
We can't hate another culture and then say that whay they're doing to us is wrong even while we are oppressing thier peoples. If that makes me a terrorist sympathsizer then so be it. And if so then I hope that those bastards who are monitoring US citizens hear me and arrest me for treason. Because I'll go to jail for this. The founders believed in equality even though they didn't practice it, and I believe in equality. If I can, I'll become a lawyer to help those in Guantanamo because not all of them are terrorists. Especially when there was a $500 bounty for terrorists and anyone who was hated was given up, whether terrorist or not. I'm not a terrorist sympathsizer, but I do believe in using the world's perspective and not the US.
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"All this because everyones God had the biggest dick."
Loved your post, especially the above quoted comment.
Wait... Muslims didn't exist when the Israelites Invaded Israel and Judea. Islam didn't come around until after the diaspora of the Jews. Furthermore, the Jews didn't kill or drive out all the residents of Judea and Israel. They actually made peace with them after a certain point, and it is these people that the Palestinians are descended from, more or less.
As for "we are building bases in their countries and turning their culture American", you make it sound like we are forcing it on them. The only countries with U.S. bases in them are one that have consented to it, almost exclusively our allies. The only exception to the voluntary rule are the Iraqis and Afghans, but that was because they either were our enemies or were harboring our enemies before we built bases. As for the "culture war" argument, the only significant westernization of culture that I am aware of is in Dubai, which has nothing to do with the U.S.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have." - Barry Goldwater
"... the ostensible means [diversity] of acheiving a desired end [equality] had become the end itself." - Clarence Thomas
Thanks. my cordless keyboards "Battery Low" light came on and I didn't want to continue such an argument.
slam didn't exist, but the various groups eventually merged into Islam or other Middle Eastern religions. They did drive the inhabitants out of Judea and Israel, they just weren't called Judea of Israel, but it was the Israelites "promised land". They did make peace, but you fail to either look or you disregard what the Israelies did before people. Someone once asked me what makes me different from the Nazi ideology about Jews. The answer is that the Palestinians and Jews contend that that is their promised land, albeit both aren't of the same religion. So what gives either of them the right to claim Israel as their own? God? I don't think so
When our government says that after this nonwinnable war is won we will remove troops from the area and we build bases and house them, we are lying. They have consented to it....the government that is. There is a growing support in Germany among the people to have our bases out of Germany.
Still, we have no right to make them part of the US, in a militaristic sense.
Obviously you haven't traveled to the middle east then, or know people who have. It is a slow transition, but one that is happening in those countries. My culture war argument is still valid.
Remember that even Hitler had supposed good intentions when he did what he did and they turned horribly wrong and yet the people backed him because Hitler made them fear communism. Just like America is doing by making us fear I
Islam didn't exist until long after Christianity. They didn't 'merge' into islam. Islam took over and forced conversion under penalty of death, which it still does today in some parts of the world.
Ok... how about Firsties? The Palestinians didn't exist when the Israelites cleared the caananites out of the promised land. They came after Isreal had been occupied and moved.
we do no such thing. We don't make them into a part of the united States. Their governments have agreed to have us there.
How many times have you been there, how long were you there, where all did you go and what evidence of the United States making them like us do you have?
Ahh, so now the United States is akin to Hitler.
*click* Done with you.
Ok, well then Christianity did the same thing as well during its teenage years.
The answer is that the Palestinians and Jews contend that that is their promised land, albeit both aren't of the same religion. So what gives either of them the right to claim Israel as their own? God? I don't think so
The caananites were palestinians. Abel was the father of the Israelites and Caan was the father of the Caananites which eventually became the Palestinians. So Israel still kicked them out first.
Puerto Rico wasn't made into a part of the United States, yet they still are considered part of America. Puerto Rico and Cuba agreed to have us their as well.
Obviously you haven't traveled to the middle east then, or know people who have. It is a slow transition, but one that is happening in those countries. My culture war argument is still valid.
I said haven't been or haven't known anyone who lives there. I have someone from my church in Egypt, 2 friends in Saudi Arabia and one who is Iraq because his father got transferred their.
No I didn't say the United States is akin to Hitler. I said the United States is using the same scare tactics that Hitler did. Where Hitler used the Communists, our government is using Islamic Extremeists. The exteremiests are i think more dangerous than the Communists were, but it's still the same tactics. Mussolini used them, Stalin used them, Japan used them, sorry if I am comparing the tactics to that of dictators, but they are like them.
i completely agree with you.
They probably believe that we are terrorists. Its not like we enter thier countries without guns and bombs. It's just like you said, based on persepective. Unless we were all the same people, the same religion, the same race, we can never fully understand each other.
I do believe that most people are good. Or they have good intentions. America makes it seem like everyone against us is cold and heartless, when that really isnt the case. If placed in their situation, Im sure we might make the same decisions that they do.
When you say that 'they' do not want any of American culture, who are you referring to? Because the extremists groups are not representitive of the average people. Now, of course, many American ways are undesirable, but certain aspects are obviously appealing to many of the people there, as they would be to any sane person. I've had Iraqi's kiss me on the cheek and say in broke English, "I love you American's." I've also seen a eight or nine year old kid scream at me with such hatred in his eyes that I couldn't stop thinking about it for days. I'm not talking about the 'bad guys', but the average Iraqi's and Afghani's. You have to understand that many of the terrorists are also drug dealers and local thugs, they move into neighborhood's and force them to give them homes. The city of Ramadi is, for the last six months until now at least, a great example of where the US has succesfully integrated it's forces with the local Iraqi's to drive the extremist presence out. Many of the Kurds are also, I can assure you, glad that we are there, because Sadam is no longer slaughtering them. There have been huge mistakes made in this war, but that doesn't mean that America is just evil or employing Hitleresque tactics for world domination. Besides, it's kind of crazy to say that America is employing nazi tactics: soldiers over there spend a good portion of their time patrolling the area, fixing city engineering problems, building schools, etc. And they often get ambushed and killed doing these things, which in my eyes is noble, and not just a bunch of American empiralism.
Also, I think it's kind of crazy to imply that the Palestinians have a right to the land because of Cain and Abel, I mean, come on.
I know the image that has been painted by the mass media, but I can say that i never once had a friend shoot an innocent Iraqi or Afghani because he is determined to tear down the Middle Eastern cultural tradition.
As for what the rest of the world says about what we do, why is that such a major concern with people? I am going to do what I think is right in my own life regardless of what someone else's opinion is. The jihad wasn't declared on America, it was declared on Christianity, they were killing Christian citizens of lebanon in the seventies. They've been killing for many years, and the way I see it somebody has to draw the line, and the fact that America is the only country to do so is a good thing, and if some other country doesn't support us that's a knock on them, not us.
There have, undoubtedly, been stupid mistakes made by the US, but that doesn't mean that we're all bad and it sure as hell doens't mean that the terrorists are all good. If the extremists win, then women will again be stoned to death for not wearing their veils, or shot in the head for reading a Christain Bible, but hell, that's their business, right? Who are we to say that that's wrong.
What I am calling imperialism is us building bases for a long occupation of a soverign country, not helping fix a country. I have a great respect for our men and women fighting over there. They said we love americans, not america, but the people and ideals that america is founded on. I meant both though. They want to embrace other cultures like we do, but that doesn't mean we hijack theirs.
I'm not talking about killing people jeffs. There are much easier ways of tearing down cultures than by murder. I could care less what the MSM reports, I'm relying on what I've read in the Bible. Personally I think that the Israelies and Palestinians need to both grow up and learn to share.
I never said we were all bad. I call our government and any government evil. This jihad is a jihad that has been waiting since the middle ages. Once Islam is around another 3 to 5 centuries, it'll be peaceful like Christianity is now. I do agree that we have no right to tell other cultures how to act. We shouldn't worry what other countries think, but we still should obey the two fundamental laws. 1) Do all you have agreed to do, and 2)do not encroach on other people or their property. Actually everyone should obey those two laws and the world would be so much peacefuller.