Being Roman Catholic I believe it is a beautiful religion, however it is quite confusing and very outdated in some aspects. The most difficult aspect and belief the Catholic church holds is it's unacceptance of gays and lesbians. My family is very conservative and my father wanted to be a priest before he met my mother. On a regular basis I am exposed to hearing about not showing support for gay and lesbian couples because it is against our beliefs. He also states that you are either all for the Catholic church or you are against it. My personal beliefs are that although I am very traditional gay and lesbians are wonderful people and should be treated no different than anyone else. Why does everything with religion have to be so black and white and right or wrong?
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The Church's teachings on homosexuality are acceptance. Although, they are asked to remain celibate just as anyone that isn't married is supposed to.
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Yes, but the Church denies them the right to marry. Heterosexuals can get married and then engage in sexual activities, but homosexuals cannot. Therefore, they are being asked to be celibate for their whole lives, while heterosexuals are not.
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
I do know there is prejudice within the Catholic Church towards homosexuality. My point was more so that the Church doesn't preach a hateful message towards them.
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It is being hateful towards the supposed sin, which is just a genetic predispostion and that has a horrible effects on the lives of people.
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
The Church's teaching is that the Bible is the word of God, which is what justifies the murder of homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13), so any other teaching is actually going against the word of God by their own standard. If a Church has teachings that contradict the Bible, then either they don't really believe that the Bible is the word of God, or else they are claiming to know better than the supreme being.
In today's more enlightened climate, institutions like the Catholic Church are seriously backtracking on many of their previously hateful and regressive beliefs, which, don't get me wrong' is a very good thing. But in doing so they are also boxing themselves into a corner, because every progressive change they make further highlights the many flaws in the Bible, flaws which shouldn't be there if it is the perfect word of the perfect creator.
Any reasonable individual can tell that the Bible is merely the word of man, there's nothing wrong with that, men have had some very good ideas over the years, like many of the ones in the New Testament which Christians like to claim cancel out the bad ones in the Old Testament, which is hilarious, because that would be to say that in a very short timeframe God realised that he'd made a botch-job of his first instruction to man and had to do a complete redraft. Now that doesn't sound like a perfect supreme being to you does it? I mean, surely the perfect wisdom of a perfect being should have a shelf life that stretches a little further than a few hundred years, like say to eternity?
"Although, they are asked to remain celibate just as anyone that isn't married is supposed to."
...and if those big gaybos can't do that and insist on lying "with mankind as man lieth with a woman, then surely they must both be killed, their blood is upon them"(Lev 20:13). God's words, not mine.
Unfortunately no Christian organisation can realistically admit that the Bible isn't the word of God, because to do so would relegate their beliefs to the same platform as any secular system and thus make their wild unsubstantiated claims instantly fallible. Their 'God-said-it' bulletproof vest would have to be removed and they would have to start explaining themselves and their beliefs in reasonable terms without the luxury of being able to pass the buck to a supernatural entity for justification.
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I am the people my mother warned me about.
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"Why does everything with religion have to be so black and white and right or wrong? "
Largely because the men behind these religions always maintain that God has told them to believe such things, so that nobody can then question the validity of the rules they invent, because if they were told these rules by God, and you are a true believer, then you have no authority to question these rules, no matter how crazy they seem to you or how little sense they make.
They problem is, that when you lie about God inventing certain rules, it becomes very hard to retract them even if they turn out to be some of the worst ideas ever thought up, because to retract something that was allegedly set by the perfect creator, would be an admission that either a) God is not supreme or b)God never set those rules in the first place. That's why in the old days, when people made progressive suggestion regarding the changing of some of the more backward beliefs held by religious organisations like the Catholic Church, they were unceremoniously told to shut the fuck up and murdered as heretics before anybody else said 'Hey, y'know what that dude's got a point'..
That's the reason everything has to be black and white with religious rules, because they've all told a string of lies and claimed that God said it, and now just like with any big fat lie, the lies just keep piling up, until they find themselves in a situation where 'truth' has actually become an enemy that threatens to topple empires built on shakey foundations of pure fibbery..
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That's why in the old days, when people made progressive suggestion regarding the changing of some of the more backward beliefs held by religious organisations like the Catholic Church, they were unceremoniously told to shut the fuck up and murdered as heretics before anybody else said 'Hey, y'know what that dude's got a point'..
A reference to what?
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In Reference to this:
1180 - 1230 The Inquisition tortured and murdered countless progressives for daring to contradict the teachings of the Church. they also murdered countless people who never actually did anything of the sort, but had merely been falsely accused anonymously by an enemy or had refused to murder somebody who had spoken out for reformation of Church beliefs, just for good measure.
1209, up to 70,000 'heretics' were murdered in Beziers, France by the Catholic Church.
The Waldensian order preached humility in the face of Catholic luxury and meglomania. In 1211 they were burned alive at the stake.
Here's a who's who of stand-out progressives who met with murder at the hands of the Catholic Church:
Ramihrdus of Cambrai (1076 or 1077) (lynched)
Peter of Bruys († 1130) (lynched)
Gerard Segarelli († 1300)
Fra Dolcino († 1307)
Sister Margherita († 1307)
Brother Longino († 1307)
Marguerite Porete († 1310)
Botulf Botulfsson (1311), the only known heretic executed in Sweden.
Jacques de Molay (1243–1314), burned after conviction by a tribunal under the control of King Philip IV of France.
Francesco da Pistoia († 1337)
Lorenzo Gherardi († 1337)
Bartolomeo Greco († 1337)
Bartolomeo da Bucciano († 1337)
Antonio Bevilacqua († 1337)
William Sawtre († 1401)
John Badby († 1410)
Jan Hus (1371–1415)
Jerome of Prague (1365–1416), relapsed heretic
St. Joan of Arc (1412–1431), burned after conviction by a pro-English tribunal of Catholic clergy.
Thomas Bagley († 1431)
Pavel Kravař († 1433)
Joshua Weißöck (1488–1498)
Jean Vallière († 1523)
Hendrik Voes († 1523) and
Jan van Essen († 1523), 1rst martyrs in the Seventeen Provinces
Jan de Bakker († 1525), 1rst martyr in the Northern Netherlands
Wendelmoet Claesdochter († 1527), 1st Dutch woman burned as heretic
Michael Sattler († 1527)
Patrick Hamilton († 1528)
Balthasar Hubmaier (1485–1528), relapsed heretic
George Blaurock (1491–1529)
Hans Langegger († 1529)
Giovanni Milanese († 1530)
William Tyndale (1490–1536)
John Frith (1503–1533)
Jakob Hutter († 1536)
Francisco de San Roman († 1540)
Giandomenico dell' Aquila († 1542)
George Wishart (1513–1546)
John Rogers († 1555)
Rowland Taylor († 1555)
John Hooper († 1555)
Patrick Pakingham († 1555)
Hugh Latimer (1485–1555), relapsed heretic
Nicholas Ridley (1500–1555)
Bartolomeo Hector († 1555)
Paolo Rappi († 1555)
Vernon Giovanni († 1555)
Labori Antonio († 1555)
John Bradford († 1555)
Thomas Cranmer (1489–1556), relapsed heretic
Pomponio Angerio († 1556)
Nicola Sartonio († 1557)
Fra Gioffredo Varaglia († 1558)
Gisberto di Milanuccio († 1558)
Francesco Cartone († 1558)
Antonio di Colella († 1559)
Antonio Gesualdi († 1559)
Giacomo Bonello († 1560)
Mermetto Savoiardo († 1560)
Dionigi di Cola († 1560)
Gian Pascali di Cuneo († 1560)
Bernardino Conte († 1560)
Giorgio Olivetto († 1567)
Luca di Faenza († 1568)
Thomas Szük (1522–1568)
Bartolomeo Bartoccio († 1569)
Dirk Willems († 1569)
Fra Arnaldo di Santo Zeno († 1570)
Alessandro di Giacomo († 1574)
Benedetto Thomaria († 1574)
Diego Lopez († 1583)
Gabriello Henriquez († 1583)
Borro of Arezzo († 1583)
Ludovico Moro († 1583)
Pietro Benato († 1585)
Francesco Gambonelli († 1594)
Marcantonio Valena († 1594)
Giovanni Antonio da Verona († 1599)
Fra Celestino († 1599)
Giordano Bruno (1548–1600)
Maurizio Rinaldi († 1600)
Bartolomeo Coppino († 1601)
Kimpa Vita (1684–1706)
Maria Barbara Carillo (1625–1721)
When these progressives were murdered by the Church, all of their writings were burned too, well to the best of the Church's abilities, to prevent their ideas being disseminated after their murder.
All of these murders plus countless more were all sanctioned by Canon 751 of the Code of Canon Law.
'Thou shallt not kill'??!!
Laugh? I nearly shat.
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I am the people my mother warned me about.
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Although I don't agree with everything gay and lesbian, I don't think some passages in the Old Testament are anywhere near enough to condemn them. If that's all you want, what about the other rules given in Leviticus that we DON'T follow? There's one about not wearing clothes made from different types of fabric! From that angle, those who spoke against gays and lesbians will be doing their own time in hell if they ever wore a polyester blend.
The Catholic Church is not the Lord Church .For one Look at all the sexual abuse the Priest have done to so many children. and what did the Pope do concerning this cover it up. Do you know that before the Pope Benedict became pope that he was in charge of the Priest that molested children For 30 years and all he did was move the Priest to another church How Evil .If this were the true church of God this would of never happened in the first place for the lord would nor permit such thing to happen to his children. Especially in his church, God is a loving God that cares for all of his children and those that abuse children have much to answer after they leave this world for there Judgment shell be dreadful. In the Lord words they will wish that they were not born. you were brought up in this church and you need to seek for the truth for your self to know what I have written is true or not .Ps for I to was brought up in the Catholic Church. but found out for my self that it was not the Lord Church. and homosexual is a great sin in the eyes of God Amen for God can not look upon sin in the least degree.