How can there be so much hatred for people that cross the border to the US?
We hate them because they are illegal immigrants, but we all were illegal immigrants at one point unless you are Native American.
At one point your ancestors had to come to the US from a different country. Even the people that "discovered" America. They came and took the land illegally and yet we think of them as heroes in some sense.
Right now Americans hoard this land so selfishly when they need to realize that is was never theirs in the first place. We took the land away from the Native Americans and we won't even budge when it comes to people wanting to live here from different places. They're not trying to take us over.
And they are not trying to take jobs away from us. Without the help of these people our economy would falter.
This policy is not about border security, it is a matter of racism and it is appalling.
huh?
Could you please point me to the immigration policies and laws as implimented by the American Indian tribes?
Once again, those who favor illegal immigration are trying to paint us as racists.
In illegal immigration, we are not against 'immigration' but about 'illegal'
I totally agree with you on this subject. The arguments about illegal immigrants stealing jobs away from "us" is complete bs because these are usually jobs we wouldn't even want in the first place,such as fruit picking and janitorial jobs. -___-
Unfortunately, America's been anti- immigrant for ages now. The fact that we even had a political party once in the 1800s that was against immigration (the Know-Nothing Party is the name, I believe) shows how much animosity we've had as a nation against the very same people who help contribute to American society.
Not all immigrants came to the U.S. illegally. In fact, most in history have been legal immigrants. Take the Irish; during the potato famine in Ireland, many immigrated to the United States, doing so legally.
What does it say about a person when they start off by coming to our country illegally? It shows that they have no regard for our laws. How are we expected to trust them and treat them as citizens? Our country is coming to a new low when many people seem to favor those who come by breaking laws over those who come in through the proper channels.
Lastly, how is it racist to be for enforcing our laws? It doesn't matter what race a person is when they break the law. Even if they were, say, Italian people trying to get in illegally, I, for one, would still be against them doing so.
Racism MAY have something to do with illegal immigrant issue. But I don't think that's the main point of the argument. Most people don't want have illegal immigrants because these people "sneak" into the country without United States knowing who exists and who doesn't exist in the country. People are assuming that illegal immigrants are taking advantages of the government since they don't have to pay for taxes and stuff. Any illegal immigrants would be kicked out of USA, not only Mexicans.
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Who is saying otherwise?
I don't care if the illegal immigrant is from Mexico, Canada, England, Spain, Germany or any other country. if they are here illegally, they need to leave.
It is a slap in the face of those who come here legally.
To get your immigration papers, you just need to prove you're financially solvent and file a few legal papers. Most illegal immigrants can't prove that they're financially solvent so they come in illegally. Just how does that mean they've insulted those who came here with papers?
Because while person A wait in line for months, jumps through one hoop after another to become a legal immigrant and citizen, including alot of schooling and Visas.....
those who come here illegally just come across the border.
If we legalize these lawbreakers, those who come here illegally, we are telling the LEGAL immigrants that they are wasting their time and are dupes.
Are you REALLY that anti-immigrant?
A person who is a legal immigrant and jumps through hoops and all that get legally paid jobs and access to the American dream.
Illegal immigrants who have to be paid in cash, are in constant fear of deportation, and aren't even paid well aren't exactly completing for the same resources as legal immigrants.
I'm not anti-immigrant. Immigrants are great. I just don't see how one insults the other.
Maybe if they came here legally, they wouldn't need to be afraid of being caught and deported (which is Justice, as they are breaking the law by coming here ilegally)
You are horridly anti-immigrant. By supporting illegal immigration, you support a slave-wage class of workers. You deny them the ability to live the American Dream by supporting their existance here illegally.
By not having them come here legally, you support the horrid living conditions and working conditions they have and support the crime that accompanies it. For what? the fear that lettuce will go up at the grocery store?
Shame on you for being so hateful towards other human beings for your own petty selfishness.
Support LEGAL immigration and fight ILLEGAL immigration.
I also don't want them deported. Maybe you have such problems with such a concept because you see things in black and white. I don't.
I think that we should stop illegal immigration at the borders. We should do everything we can to prevent their coming here in the first place. However, once they are here, once they've created a life and become the breadwinner for their families, it becomes a human rights issue. It's just not right to deport people without a full consideration of their individual circumstances.
That's crazy.
You don't support it, you just don't think they should have to pay for their crimes.
that is, I'm afraid, defacto support.
you're enabling the lawbreaking.
We do have common ground in that we should secure our borders, all four of them. END illegal immigration, both by securing the borders, but also by HEAVY punishment for hiring illegal immigrants. (Heck, I support chain gangs, which I may do a blog series on when I'm done with the current gun safety series)
However, one should never reward people for negative behavior. You end up having more people engaging in that negative behavior.
It is VERY right and Just to deport people who do not belong here legally, both for the sake of those who work hard to be here legally, but also to help bring about positive social change in the countries that these people come from.
How great would it be if the Mexican people or Cuban people (or whatever country) stood up and demanded that their rights be considered, and that THEIR lives be freed from the oppresive socialist/Communist corrupt governments? Imagine a free Cuba, in which people lived well enough to not risk their lives by trying to float to Florida on a refridgerator.
an destitute, illegal immigrant and his family help facilitate social change? As with most things (like health care) people who are poor don't even get a voice.
And why is letting them stay rewarding them if they're here to work hard?
Being here is against the law. letting them stay is a reward, despite their criminal act.
If you take it to an extreme (to help illustrate why it is an issue) . . . if a child molester lies on applications to work at an elementary school, but is really poor and can't find another job, do you let them continue to work there? of course not. They aren't allowed to work there.
In much the same way (but nowhere NEAR as extreme) if someone is not allowed to be here, you don't let them be here.
As for how sending them home brings about social change, when the poor are kept poor, with no way out, they rebel. They strive to bring about change where they are. They seek rebellion and freedom to live without the oppression of corrupt governments, like those in central america. (countries KNOWN for their corruption)
Don't just slip a band-aid on a gushing bleeder. Don't reward bad behavior.
You seem to be one of only a handful of people that actually sympathize with the immigrants. Don't worry, I'm one too. Without their help, our economy would cease to exist, and Americans would not be enjoying the luxurious lives we now take for granted. I think we should help integrate the immigrants into our society, and stop complaining that they do nothing- they take the jobs we refuse. 5 stars for your deep thought and understanding.
Do you sympathize with immigrants that come here legally?
by embracing ILLEGAL immigration, you are giving the finger to those who come here legally each year, working hard to do so.
Are you saying that illegal immigrants do NOT work hard? The reason most are illegal is that they cannot live where they came from. They are poor, and uneducated. They work their asses off for people like us, who bask in wealth and priviledge. Those that are legal are more informed, and do not necessarily work harder.
When did I say that?
I said that they are here illegally.
Once again, we have no problem with immigration, we have a problem with ILLEGAL immigration.
you're moving the goal posts and using staw-man arguements.
The obvious holes and ignorance in your post are amazing. The first is the title. "theres no such thing as illegal immigrants" but if you read just a few lines down you call us all illegal immigrants. I am not an illegal immigrant. I was born here legaly under the laws of the government which recognizes its self as the USA. It makes me a citizen period. We hoard land because there isn't much left. Especially when you've got decades and decades of popes that says contraception is bad. Your tag that the movement to secure America as racits is just clearly not well thought out and very very bleeding heart. You must enjoy knowing that your tax dollars go to feeding, housing, medical etc etc for people who have ZERO rights to those services. You must also ignore the fact that illegals kill 40,000 americans a year. You must love this country so much that you don't want its laws enforced against any criminals because its "inhuman". Laws were put in place for a reason. The people who come here from mexico have NO intention of acclimating to our culture. Instead they line the streets in California and chant this is Azatlan. They bring their third world behaviors with them and turn once nice neighborhood into ghettos. Open your eyes idiot. Do some research before you post a baseless rant.
You know what this comment just makes me so mad, I have to respond to it.
First of, the title is meant to say that there shouldn't be a name of "illegal immigrant." If someone wants to come to this country they should be able to without all the discrimination. And I was just saying this country was based on "illegal immigrants" coming here.
And your example of contraception does not make any sense.
Secondly, this policy is based on racism, even if its not directly stated, its roots are tied into racist thoughts.
And just the fact that you would pin point that "illegals" kill a number of americans each year is a racist statement in context. Your just like the reporter that accused "illegals" of carrying diseases into this country. Do you know how many AMERICANS KILL AMERICANS. and how many AMERICANS RAPE AMERICANS. and how many AMERICANS MOLEST AMERICANS. that number far out weights any "threat" of "illegals."
Lastly, WHO CARES IF IMMIGRANTS DON'T CONFORM! Why would people want to conform to lazy, fast food eating, stupid, ignorant, and a whiny American way of life. Culture is what makes this country rich. So why get rid of it and become brainless morons. The rest of the world already sees us as that and you are just feeding into that stereotype.
And don't you EVER DARE call me names on my blogs or on anything else. Because you are just showing people how ugly you are on the inside.
Don't you ever try to think you know more than me because based on your comment its very apparent that you don't.
I don't truly know what its like to be an immigrant but I no a part of what they go through and disgusting people like you that treat them terribly.
SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT CAUSE I KNOW WHAT MINE ARE! My rant IS based on fact. And get your sick Catholic self centered ideology off of this web page until you can actually come at me with facts instead of opinions because I am happy to debate with you, but not when you go calling people names.
I think your the one that needs to get their priorities straightened out.
So yeah the statement about contraception(follow the yellow brick road) was about land. We have some religions in this country that don't allow it. Hence the mad grab for land. Now you bringing up the question of American on American crime was not part of the orginal post so nice try. Well not really you fail sir. Illegal Immigrant is a term for anyone who crosses the borders of any country with out the proper paper work at legal entrance points. Culture in you terms is allowing people who have no quality of life to come here and drag my quality of life down. Im not racist sir. I have latino and hispanic friends. In fact some of them come to anti-illegal immigraton rallys with me. They dont like the influx of the poor from mexico. The places I have lived used to be nice. They are ghettos now. These people have no respect for others property or personal space. Im not catholic either. Im atheist. I hate the catholic church. Is as much a cult as oh say mormonism. Yeah Im ugly but at least I want whats best for my country. So once again nice try sir. Want to see some great examples of illegal immigration? www.savesalem.blogspot.com or www.danielisright.blogspot.com. You need to get on board and help save the country. So what do you think about the mexican government printing and distributing for free a comic book that shows illegals how to cross the boarders and not only that exploit our social services? Thats criminal in my mine. Thats one country undermining anothers security. What about the mexican goverments plane to have californa, new mexico and arizona returned to them? If not peacefully but by force? I think its called the North American Alliance that will completly disolve our southern boarder. I also in no way treat anyone with little or no respect. I ask politely for them to turn themselves in or leave voluntarily. I also participate in reporting employers who pick up workers at day labor camps for hiring illegals to work. I just found out the pathetic fines our goverment hands out when they check SSN for workers. $2200 thats it. It should be more. Thats not a deterant thats a slap on the wrist. It needs to be more like $500,000. My comment about illegals killing americans is not racist either. ITS A FACT. There is no racism behind fact. why do you have this blog/thread whatever when you fail sir?
First of all I am not a sir.
And your example of contraception still does not make sense. maybe it does in your mind, but you are not explaining it very well.
And I am not going to tolerate your comments any more.
I would be happy to debate this issue with you, but as you can see, you do not know how to talk decently, let alone have a civilized debate.
you fail