I just read a bazillion entries talking about how he or she was for or against abortion, which is a joke.
My biggest argument is...if you personally have never been pregnant or in the situation of deciding whether to have an abortion or not, then how can you hold such a strong opinion over it?
Especially men, because they will never go through having to actually make that decision for themeselves. Yes, it has to be upsetting to know that he can't control what the girl does with his child, but how many sperm are released with one ejaculation? Enough to get a woman pregnant, if that's what he's really going for.
But for people who have never carried a child in their womb for 9 months, people who have never been pregnant before, or people who have never actually sat down and thought about whether they should have an abortion before, how can you hold a "pro-choice," "pro-situation" or "pro-anything" judgment?
It's just funny how we're so educated on things we've never experienced before in life.
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How about the fact that I should have an older half-brother?
Even before I knew that my father had made the girl that he got pregnant in High School get an abortion, I always knew that something was missing in my life. Then when he told me I finally knew what it was.
I've missed so many memories because of what my dad made that girl do.
It still saddens me to this day.
That's part of why I am Pro-Life.
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Exactly my point. If your father didn't have a say in it, then wouldn't you have an older brother?
(possibly).
It's not whether or not it's right...it's who should have a say in a "vote" for it. And that we actually want to make this a legal process?
Let's say Pro-Life wins in the end. Do you know what would happen?
Women would start killing the children themselves, and in more harmful ways than we have now. You know back when abortion wasn't done, women would actually stick hangers up themselves to kill the baby? Or sever the fetus from her lining?
It would turn into a whole underground process again.
Yeah. I did know about the hangers.
As per my father, the girl was already going to get one, he just made the final push in that direction.
And just a thought. If it became illegal to have an abortion, it would also become illegal to kill the child. Prosecutions would ensue, and eventually, though it may take a long time, underground abortions would slowly decline.
Also, just another thought, not because I'm a prick, but because I like to spark controversy, did you ever think that the child actually feels pain when it is aborted? It felt pain when they tried to scrape it out with a hanger, but it also damaged and sometimes killed the mother.
Maybe, just maybe they legalized abortion as a convenience for the mother. So she could abort the child without hurting herself.
Just a thought.
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"We preach Christ, warning people not to add to the Message. We teach in a spirit of profound common sense so that we can bring each person to maturity. To be mature is to be basic. Christ! No more, no less." --Colossians1:28
See, but that's just it...I think that even if the underground abortion thing stopped, then the woman suicide rate would go up. Because as screwed up of a mentality as it is, some women would rather both of them die than having the child. (Teenagers, women who were raped, etc.)
My personal opinion on the child feeling pain or not? I think that pain is a learned process. It's something that, if a child hits her head on a coffee table while learning to crawl, usually doesn't cry until adults around him/her freak out.
Ever noticed a cut and couldn't figure out how it got there? But the minute you saw it, the pain started to seep in?
I think that if motor functions aren't working and there isn't a fetal heartbeat, the child doesn't actually FEEL anything.
You'd bring up a whole other debate with that can of worms =).
But I didn't mean to be condescending or anything when stating the hanger thing. Just backing up my point.
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"And just a thought. If it became illegal to have an abortion, it would also become illegal to kill the child. Prosecutions would ensue, and eventually, though it may take a long time, underground abortions would slowly decline."
You know how else abortions can take place, right? There are many stories about it alone in America.
Girl falls down the stairs. Girl has boyfriend hit her in the stomach. Girl has "accident." These are the kind of stuff you can't prove or disprove that the girl is trying to give herself an abortion.
And just a thought. If it became illegal to have an abortion, it would also become illegal to kill the child. Prosecutions would ensue, and eventually, though it may take a long time, underground abortions would slowly decline.
Why in the world would you think that? Abortion was illegal for 100 years before Roe v. Wade, and abortion never went away.
You think prosecutions are the worst part about banning abortion? Women die for illegal abortion. Outlawing abortion doesn't discourage abortion at all, it just makes it unsafe. Women still do it, because they're desperate. Banning abortion doesn't save fetuses, it just needlessly kills women along with their embryos and fetuses. Banning abortion is pro-death, not pro-life.
Also, just another thought, not because I'm a prick, but because I like to spark controversy, did you ever think that the child actually feels pain when it is aborted?
Not before 29-30 weeks in to the pregnancy, well in to the third trimester, when abortions are generally illegal except for medical necessity.
Maybe, just maybe they legalized abortion as a convenience for the mother
Nope, they legalized abortion to protect women's lives.
I actually think that this one issue that only women should be allowed to legislate. If abortion becomes an illegal activity, the horror stories will be unending. Perhaps unpublished in the mainstream media, but still unending.
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I completely agree with the horror stories.
Women would be killing themselves (probably unintentionally) to remove a child that either wasn't planned or they didn't want.
It would be horrible.
Women are getting as many abortions as they are in places that are legal, even if it's illegal in their country. There was a study just published about it within the past few days.
I think a more appropriate thing to argue about would be something along the lines of how old you have to be to get an abortion without a parent or guardian's consent.
That argument would make a little more sense. Sure, it shouldn't be a matter of debate, but it'd be more logical than whether a woman can have one or not.
Just in general, I'm pro-choice because I shouldn't be able to control how other people get medical procedures. They want an abortion? Go get one! Don't like abortion? Don't get it! Have a kid.
But then again, does having pregnancy scares mean you're in a situation to be pro-choice or not? Ha.
I totally agree with you, and I also think it's absolutely ridiculous that religion has gotten onto this debate so strongly. Not everyone believes that we are Gods children or whatever... I wish some people would be a hell of a lot less ignorant.
Thank you for writing this!
Have you ever been directly affected in any way by abortion?
Once you have, you'll see that 'religion' really has no say in the matter.
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"We preach Christ, warning people not to add to the Message. We teach in a spirit of profound common sense so that we can bring each person to maturity. To be mature is to be basic. Christ! No more, no less." --Colossians1:28
I feel I should have a say in what could potentially happen to my body. Why should I be forced to keep a child if it'll kill me? No, I haven't experienced abortion, and if I ever face that decision, it won't be an easy decision to make. However, since I could be in that position, I want the freedom to decide what I want. Why shouldn't I be allowed to hold that opinion?
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I believe that having an abortion is killing a person. That is why I am against abortion. At conception life begins. So deciding that you are going to have an abortion is a selfish act in which you only are thinking about yourself. Even if you were raped and your life is not fair, that does not make it fair for the person you are killing either. Why kill an innocent person just for your own convenience?
At conception, the formation of life begins, not life itself...like most people are arguing. They argue what life is, the first time the heart beats or the first time it takes a breath?
And at the same rate, if you were personally raped...you'd really want to keep the child? What if it was something like (not trying to be gross, but honestly) incestual rape? A step-father or step-brother? At what point is it ok to have that child in that kind of environment?
It's not just about life, it's about the entire scope of things. And the fact that men, who have never even had to worry about becoming pregnant and just doing the impregnating, are trying to ban abortion for selfish reasons.
No, I haven't been affected. I meant religious involvement on a political scale, how the church is trying to have a say in the decision.
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You raise good points and I agree. Abortion is a right given to women by the supreme court.
"Our politics are our deepest forms of expression, they mirror our past experiences and reflect our dreams and aspirations for the future."
I've held the position that only women should be able to decide abortion for years, but can never bring it up because of its unpopularity. Saying that only women have the right to determine a certain piece of legislation would certainly annoy our current government for obvious reasons, and that's not likely to change any time soon. The practicalities are clear, but opponents can easily break out the slippery-slope arguments like, "Would you have convicts run the prison laws?"
There's an interesting blur to the apparently-clear line between who can (hypothetically) vote on this and who can't: women who can't bear children and men who can. Should infertile women be allowed to decide the lives of those who are affected by abortion? How about transgendered men who could be directly hit? Policing who gets a say and who doesn't would be difficult and in some cases highly unfair.
Anyways, I agree with you completely that those of us not in a position to judge shouldn't do so, but it's just human nature to stick our noses into other people's business. This is a sort of debate forum, after all.
T.k.
Why does it always have to be abortion? I am Pro-Life, and I agree that there are definitely instances that I would not want a child. That does not mean I have to end the child's life. There is something called adoption. And yes, it will be a very emotional experience for the mother to give away her child. However, if the original plan was to abort the child, adoption is a godsend. There are many nice couples out there who can't have children, and are looking for babies to adopt. There are also a variety of adoption plans. The choice does not have to be abortion.
wrong to Kill for dose not the Lord teach thou shell not kill. Do you believe in God and do you not know that the Lord will not put a spirit into a child until before it is to be born . Because the Lord know who will have the child removed and for this cause .it protect the child. The parents of those that remove a child from the whom for no reason will be held accountable before God .for it is Evil to do such thing Amen