There are two things I do not understand here at ProU. One is the attack on Christianity and the other is the ‘mad prop’ syndrome.
Whenever someone post something on Christianity it is almost as if people jump to the computer to say how dumb and ridiculous it is or they say ‘Yeah me too’. Why when there is something about another culture, or religion, we do not jump down their throats with our own version of ‘hell no’. I have yet to see any posts about how crazy a religion is when it is Islam, or Muslim, or Jewish, or Buddhist, or Wicca, or Pagan, or anything. Is it because the have been persecuted enough? DO we only pick on the majority (if that is what you can call Christianity)?
Or are we just afraid some one will bomb us? Now that is a crazy idea. They could try to bomb us, but I bet that would just end in them having a large doctor’s bill and needing a new computer.
All we have here is words; words that teach, learn, and show us all something new, or a new way to look at things. We educate and inform those who have it wrong. And yet, some how, we only chose otherwise same and routine battles.
We need more thought here.
This brings me to my next confusion. There seems to be a rash of un-thoughtful comments of ‘yeah nice story’, 'agreed', ‘thank you’ and the most confusing one of ‘mad props’. These are not response , these are sorry excuses for free points and no thought. This is not AP English people, Our blogs here are supposed to actually really mean something, bring something real to mind, or make statements of our society. The point is to get us to think, and change, what is wrong with the world.
And thank you for what? For wasting your time? for entertaining you? What part did you react to most. Please tell, share, question or answer in your comment. Do not just say a wimpy Thank you that means nothing, or anything at all, explain yourself and use a ten word rule. Saying only thank you is like saying 'See spot run', I want to know what spot runs from, were he is going, and why. I want to know if spot is a dog or a mole. Most importantly I want to know why I should even care or that your spot runs too.
What does ‘mad props’ mean any way? Mad can mean either angry or crazy. The first thing ‘props’ bring to mind is the C-130’s four engines and with some thought I can summon up images of stage decorations. SO when some one says ‘mad props’ I have no idea if they mean ravaging plane engines with large slobbery teeth trying to eat me, or if they mean lunatic stage decorations dancing and singing circles around me in a acid flashback of a Disney movie, or what. Neither of which makes any sense at all as a comment or even statement.
So please be thoughtful and include everything and let it make sense!!! Then we can work together to change it or make a discussion of it ;)
I am convinced that no one just posts here for the sheer entertainment of a story, so lets think hard deeper and longer and make all our comments worth something.
I used to work for a company that did event theming and theatrical staging. I know a thing or two about sets and props. Let me assure you, you have to be mad to work with props...... :p
Cathii
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Those who know everything have learned little from life.
Maybe, just maybe the stage decore is upset because the lighting techs keep blinding them and no one knows they are alive. This is the reason the crazy people keep throwing them out like trash and not giving the their props...this drives them crazy.
~mad props
all truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them ~galileo
Show me a Muslim, Wiccan, or Buddhist that tries to push their religion on you, claiming it's the only correct religion and that you'll spend eternity in a place of torment if you choose not to follow their god and I'll give you reasons that dispute that religion.
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Is that all it is , a forceful ness...Good point I will se what I can do...
EDIT:
As it turns out I do not have any pictures to show you but after alot of thought and digging I guess I can try for an example or two. Let me preface by saying I do not mean to offend or over generalize. I acknowledge that there are crazy extremes in all categories of religous belief.
Moromon's do the door to door knocking to pass the word along and try to convert you. I am not sure if they fall under the christian category since they have another belief system and book. They also have a madatory time of word spreading of about two years and some have said (I know stereotype but ProU is the land of knowledge right) they have lots of children to have more mormons to pass the word along.
One could consider those who are doing suicide bombings and so forth for their god against the christian god might be construde as a little more pushy than the average christian.
That is the best I can do right now...The point is people do not even bother to ask or look or seek they are just mad at the evil chritians.
I appreciate being made to think a little more about it. Thank you
all truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them ~galileo
There's a difference between extremist groups who spread terror supposedly in the name of their god and a person walking up to a total stranger who happens to be wearing a Pentacle and start preaching to them that they're going to go to Hell.
As for the Mormons/Jehovah's Witnesses...I don't know, but I think they're few and far enough between that they've just become a joke among most people. As far as I know, they follow the Bible for the most part, but just have an added book that they follow as well.
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
people's prejudices/or misinformation
people don't want to really discuss minority religions
its not them, they don't care (as a whole, i'm not talking about most users
here)
this I have to say because I comment on a lot of Christianity related topics because I want to learn BUT most people (not everyone) is NOT open to people of other religions and culture and it is a shame because I thought that was one of the things Prou should be used for
I am one of the few who blogs about Islam since I am a Muslim or about other semi-controversial topics and after a week I have learned that people will read but they don't want to ask, don't want to think, don't want to know
and this is not me making this up like you said, People want to argue and are comfortable with talking and judging Christianity but not with Islam (atheist beliefs get discussed just because Christianity is being talked about)
and mad props or mad skills are slang terms for something really good
have you heard the slang "word?"
edited to add- maybe i should use the same rhetoric as the really religious christians and see what happens
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
You have mad skills like a kung fo ninja. I am not sure if that means you are good at being angry or crazy or what. Word.
That would be intresting to see that rhetoric.
"have to say because I comment on a lot of Christianity related topics because I want to learn BUT most people (not everyone) is NOT open to people of other religions and culture and it is a shame because I thought that was one of the things Prou should be used for" This statement is exactly right and the entire point.
I am really glad you comment and learn about others that is great. and your right about the Pro U is suppose to be like that but this semester seems to be a little softer.
Thank you for commenting. and look forward to reading more of yours starting with the above link.
all truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them ~galileo
I think its mainly because there are so many people who are lying and using religion to justify any kind of immoral action. And believe you me, if they are not following Christ's teaching, they are anything BUT a Christian which is what a Christian is; they follow the teachings and example of Jesus. That is exactly the type of people who remain loyal and support the biggest liar of them all here in this country: Bush. Only a liar supports another liar.
I knew someone would hget something diffrent from this post. Good job on thinking and appling new info and thoughts.
I think you meant to say christian means following christ which is folloing the teachings of Jesus and that is right. No debate.
I would like for you to explain the leap to Bush a little better and how christians have to do with lying.
Thank you
all truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them ~galileo
That's easy. He's used religion to ban gay marriage (among other things) and lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when he used that as a reason to invade.
Many "Christians" only say they are and never actually act the way they should. It's the main reason why so many people turn away from the religion and pursue other religions in the first place. They are, then, lying.
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I imagine that Christianity is attacked on this site more than other religions is because there are more Christians on this site and many of them are fundamentalist and very outspoken about how Christianity is the only right path. I have not seen such fundamentalist behavior from bloggers of other religions.
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
Indeed. Asmaw, for example, is Muslim, but doesn't (at least not that I've seen) push the religion on others. S/he mentions it once in a while (like right now, for example, is Ramadan, the month of fasting), but doesn't really go beyond it except to educate/inform others about the religion itself.
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I like Asmaw.
Sometimes christians just try to explain about their stuff but they mostly have personality flaws, or communication issues, and some just act like they know but do not. Asmaw knows exactly why each part of Ramadan is celebrated the way it is. So does the frostedrose88 (I think that is what the name is), must be an informative culture. Most christian could not even begin to tell about the parts of chritmas or even know that the tree is a pagan symbol. This makes for difficult explanations later.
Poor misunderstood christian ignorance
Great I walked away and came now I have completely forgotten this entire line of communication.
Anyway. Thank you dragonwolf you are always smart and enlightening.
all truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them ~galileo
What gets me is that when a lot of Christian churches teach about other religions (particularly pagan ones), it's so covered in bias and lies and half-truths that it's no wonder a lot of people think Wiccans worship the Devil (despite the fact that the Devil is a Christian concept).
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That is a good point. Define others by our own terms. They also think Wicca is synonymous with paganism and satanic worship.
Ah to be a fool.
all truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them ~galileo
Wicca is a pagan religion (just as Druidry and other "old" religions are considered pagan), but none of them are Satanic in the sense that Christians see it. Even "Satanism" isn't the same as Christians see it (though carries many of the qualities Christianity shun, such as materialism and promiscuity/fornication).
But yeah, it's bad when a Wiccan recoils when you tell them you're Christian because they're afraid you'll start preaching at them.
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
spreading knowledge, I especially have not done as much as others here, I am doing what many people have done before on this blogging site
(examples are jsaj, Darwin's Beagle, Dragonwolf and tgunnagan, personally I like fallon's writing a lot)
that is to use the objective knowledge that I have gained (and might I say, I rarely will talk in a subjective manner, I'm a pretty harsh critic of islam)
So guys, just keep up the good work but I have to say, on the whole I am learning from this site of how humans can differ so much on one subject
and the biggest one is religion
people can be of the same religion but just be so different in life styles/philosophies and views
(I know of this because of Islamic fundamentalists and I had an inkling that it is a part of Christianity too because of tim mcveigh and other extremists)
So, I really was not directing my earlier comment toward most of the people who have read this blog...you guys have at one point or another been interested In the people of different heritage/religion and culure and I am very grateful for that interest.
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
Unfortunately, there are extremists in every group. =/
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
My thought is that people are scared. If it is not a majority thing, no matter if it is religion, race, or whatever, they are scared to say anything. Some don't want to have people look at them the wrong way. But they can down thier own race or religion. I see it all the time. I don't like it. I voice my opinion way too much and get really involved in it. But on here you get bashed for doing it. I don't know if it is because they are protected by thier computer so they can say what they want. ok thats all i have to say for now have to run my little one is calling me.
Ah nothing like the mama call to end a train of thought.
Sometimes it is bashing, there was alot of that last semester, but I would call most of what I have seen as...confronting or questioning. I do not doubt it feels just as bad. Thanks for sharing.
~Safty behind my computer.
all truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them ~galileo
I think the animosity towards Christians is in part due to the fact that they're trying to base policy in our country on their religion. I'm not Christian and I don't want some of the most important social issues in our country determined by Christianity. If other religions (Mormonism, Islam, etc.) were trying to make policy based on their religions, I'd probably have a problem with that too.
Common sense is as rare as genius. ~Emerson
sort is about talking about stuff people would sometimes not want to discuss and someone else mentioned Bush too
So my story/stories are that I will be getting perfectly along with people (of any back ground) and then if we somehow come on the topic of Politics and I just outright say that I hate Bush, I hate what he stands for, what he has done to the country and all that and....
Well It is still surprising that I get this look of ...i don't know disgust or doubt or something, don't know and then that person really doesn't want to talk to me
and I'm like what the heck????
This happened in a library too, I was talking to the librarian when checking out books and we started talking about colleges and somehow I got to mention Bush and how he had abominable grades at Yale and therefore I concluded it's not Yale that matters but your actual hard work and effort and ....I get this blank stare and the raised eye brows and I'm like OH SHIT,,, why'd I have to mention Bush.
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
This seems to be an anti-Christian forum and we are supposed to be progressing. A girl left a message on mine that she didn't agree, she didn't write what she disagreed with or why...so I replied You don't have to. I have been reading a lot of blogs and she seems to disagree with everyone...makes me wonder how little she knows.
Hopefully, some people get the idea behind this blog site...or else their evolution theory is working backwards.
I know who your talking about and have noticed that a little too. She does not disagree on the post she makes on me though.
Do you mean to say that Christianity is progressive? That is a really neat Idea and I bet the non-believers/ arguers will love to jump all over that one;)
I just think we should give others as much attention as we give our selves...or vice a versa.
Great response.
~Me
all truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them ~galileo
none of the non christians have used rhetoric similar to the christians to get their ideas and feelings across
all of them have used logical and reasonable thinkng and supported their claims while the christian bloggers have not only used a close minded approached- they've basically called the rest of us sinners who don't know the absolute truth and the beauty of being "saved"
don't pass judgment without really seeing and understanding what this site is
it's anti-uneducated people, anti-apthetic people, and anti-grammar lacking individuals, in my honest opinion
it's for the free thinking individual who informs but not enforces their beliefs on other individuals
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
and if you ever feel that way- you may just be a big baby...that can't handle hearing other people's views...therefore you may not be able to handle this site.
what respect and courtesy you have for peope who basically just blog about whatever they want to write about and DON"T FORCE their opinions on anyone
yeah - big baby- right, and I am also in line to become the queen of england
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
Congrats on the queen thing...
You may not push your views on anyone in an blatant, explicit manner, but you oftentimes come off as quite condescending and with a "holier than thou" attitude.
My computer is double posting...sorry.
I am who I am...and I am sick of trying to please everyone. I am generally nice, ...Like I said I respect all views and enjoy them. Mostly I enjoy getting convos like this started, I am learning about everyone...So, thank you. I hope you will continue adding the great insights that you all are. These blogs were pretty blah until we all started getting more involved...Don't ya think?
I get tired of the same ole same ole hippie love talk that has been going on lately.
For goodness sake challenge someone's beliefs.
Thank you all for having....Brains and Gumption ;)
all truths are easy to understand once discovered; the point is to discover them ~galileo
Okay. So that was pretty much an attack on my comment. Usually I don't leave really thoughtless comments but I do know that I did agree with the blog...so that's what I said. I explained a little more later. I don't really remember why I only said "Agreed!" but I don't think it was because of points....I'm pretty sure I've given up on that....anyway yeah I would have to "Agree" that it's annoying when people leave short, pointless comments. Oh well though.
and as far as the christianity thing goes...if I've ever done it it has been because I have felt personally exhausted and attacked by the constant guilt trips even my close friends have given me for lacking faith. I try. I really do. But every time I open my mind even just a little I start to beat myself up for my doubts. Every time my mind tries to find the balance between faith and reason (for many there is none) I find myself becoming afraid...to the point where yesterday I began to overanalyze every aspect of my life, trying to understand the causes of my misfortune or good luck. As if everything that happens to us is the fault of some higher power, and not our own actions for once. Sometimes it seems like people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, and they will blame it instead on the devil or something.
So, basically if anyone has struggled as much with religion as I have, I can kind of understand why people attack the Christianity blogs. Reasoners look for some sense of comfort in their thinking. Having others to support your thinking is nice, and I think that's why people jump on it.
Read My Blog!
Attack???
Probably not since that one was written about nine months ago. Some times I randomly add links to my half way descent blogs. I am a dork and have a saved list this one link said 'funny - mad props' on it.
Do you always feel attacked...or is it just happen to be these two topics by chance?
The brain knows things I guess, good response.
~T
All truths are easy to understand once discovered; The point is to discover them ~Galileo