I'm Sorry Progressive U...

son_of_disaster's picture

I'm sorry I'm anti-establishment, i'm sorry that I don't take what is fed to me by the media and won't die for the lies and preverse government we now have. 

I am anti-establishment in that I am against people pushing others around.  All government systems do this.  All governments think they are better than everyone else and try to push their ideas down everyone else's throats, kinda like most religions.  I am shocked at the number of people who blindly follow authority without questioning it in the least.  Just because someone is smart, is the head of a company, whatever,  it doesn't mean that they are infallable or are God.  Religions, governments, people, everything is fallable and until people realize that, we are going to have all the problems with the world. 

I am anti-government in the sense of what our government has become.  I am anti-imperialistic, something that America is becoming.  I am for the ideas that America was founded on.  I am pro-constitution.  If because I don't follow the screwed up system that our government has become, makes me anti-government, then so be it.  I will not blindly follow anything or anyone.  It there is a God, then he gave us the reasoning, logic and free will.  Meaning that we shouldn't follow anything blindly.  Damn right I'm anti-religious.  Religion destroys the world.  Beliefs do not.  A belief in God is fine, a belief in no God is fine too.  My agnostic belief that mixes with the deistic beliefs of Jefferson, Franklin and Paine is fine.  Because I use what God or the Big Bang has given me...logic, reason and free will.

I am not anti-American.  Anyone who thinks that because I am against our government we have now, makes me anti-American, can grow up and learn to accept people.  I love America.  I love what she stands for, I just don't love that we are an empire and are forcing our beliefs on the world. 

I am not and never will be sorry for my beliefs Progressive U.  If someone doesn't agree with me, that is perfectly fine, more power to you, just don't rely on circular logic and questionable facts.  I appreciate everything that I have.  I love life, more than any religion could ever lead you to believe that they can grant.  I love this country.  And I will fight until I die for the ideas this country was founded on and promote peace and acceptance of everyone.  I am not sorry at all Progressive U. 

Jsaj's picture
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I can never accept you apology you evil, evil, blaspemous, anti-American terrorist-commi!!!!!

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son_of_disaster's picture
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Fine then you evil, evil green, anti-earth, terrorist god thing, don't accept it. Besides I never apologized anyway!!

Jsaj's picture
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Fine, I won't! And you did apologize! It's in your title! So HA!

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"
Douglas Adams
"That is not dead which can eternal lie / And with strange aeons even death may die."
H. P. Lovecraft

son_of_disaster's picture
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Fine! And I lied about apologizing!

Jsaj's picture
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(Gasps) I'm never typing to you again!

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"
Douglas Adams
"That is not dead which can eternal lie / And with strange aeons even death may die."
H. P. Lovecraft

son_of_disaster's picture
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Good riddance!

Jsaj's picture
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HA! See, I lied to you! You'll not be rid of me that easily!

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"
Douglas Adams
"That is not dead which can eternal lie / And with strange aeons even death may die."
H. P. Lovecraft

son_of_disaster's picture
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lol, we have way to much free time on our hands.

Jsaj's picture
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Way too much time....

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"
Douglas Adams
"That is not dead which can eternal lie / And with strange aeons even death may die."
H. P. Lovecraft

engkatiemarie's picture
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Religion is destroying this country.

I agree with you we need to go back to the way this country used to be. The current government is losing touch with that, and it makes me sad. Socialism scares the hell out of me, and socialist values are not American, and never will be.

son_of_disaster's picture
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The current government isn't just losing touch, it's breaking the law. Socialism and Capitalism scares the hell out of me because no matter what, political power will corrupt those institutions. I fear political power.

engkatiemarie's picture
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Political power is something that will never fade away, it's an integral part of government. That's why we need to fight to insure that our system of checks and balances remains.

It's leaders like George W. Bush who try and force their religious values on others that are tearing this country apart. I look forward to a change in leadership (as long as it's not Hillary-the-socialist-dictator) and hopefully a fresh perspective.

son_of_disaster's picture
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Unless you get rid of government, which is unfortunately a necessary evil, but that doesn't mean that it is a large government.

Leaders like every president since Eisenhower are what are tearing this country apart. Going to war for lies is what tears us apart. Letting our military get out of hand is tearing us apart. Bush and his handlers are tearing us apart. It isn't one person or party. It is the American people for backing up these people and being hypocritical.

engkatiemarie's picture
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I'm not sorry either. I don't feel that my supporting the war in Iraq has anything to do with my lack of support for Bush; and I'm tired of people acting like he is the only reason for the war. Bush was not the only person responsible for the war. Congress also voted for the use of armed forces in Iraq. Terrorists and Saddam instigated it. Whether you agree with our original entrance or not; our presence there is now vital to protecting the innocent civilians.

I do not agree with many of Bush's politics. But I support America protecting herself against violence before it comes back to her soil. I'm not sorry, and I'm not going to apologize to people who continue to believe that everything is our President's fault because they are looking for someone to blame and biased, liberal media gives it to them on a silver platter.

I am not sorry at all, and I will NEVER apologize for my unwavering support of the defense this amazing country. I am done having this conversation in this particular blog.

son_of_disaster's picture
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That is fine. But I'm not sorry that I don't support the War, yet I support our troops. I have friends in the army, who see the horror of what our politicians have done and can't believe the are dying for our warped sense of entitlement and for

He isn't the only reason, but Congress never voted for use of armed forces, the voted to give Bush the power to send in armed forces. It is true that there has been no official declaration of war since WW2. Terrorism instigated it after we got involved in countries when we shouldn't. Saddam did not. You either don't know or forget that we were friends with Saddam so that he'd overthrow Iran. If Saddam hadn't made a dumb decision by going to Kuwait, we would have never brought him down. Our goal is to protect ourselves first. If you listen to the news other than reported in the US. There are Iraqi civillians who want America out because of what we've done. We had the backing of the world after September 11th and we lost it the day we attacked Iraq. Besides innocent civillians are dying at America's hands.

I don't listen to the media, sorry to disappoint. I research what I don't agree with and watch both liberal and conservative viewpoints.

I am not sorry either and will never apologize for my unwavering support for America. I never dragged you into this conversation on this blog, you did. All I did is state what scares me, you took offense and decided that you must defend yourself...just like what we're doing now in the world.

engkatiemarie's picture
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I do not believe that violence is the answer, except as a last resort in response to violence against innocence.

However, I do not think that refusing to acknowledge that something needs to be done will ever change anything. If you do not support the war, then I would kindly suggest you think of some alternate ways to resolve these issues we have with terrorism and the middle east, and then write your congress-man or -woman about it. Unless you do something to help resolve problems, you aren't supporting America, you are holding us back.

son_of_disaster's picture
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Violence wasn't used as a last resort here unfortunately.

I'm not refusing to acknowlegde. I'm refusing to believe that I am better than someone else. I have suggestions. Respect the middle eastern nations, have communication with them. Don't act like pretintious assholes in front of a world audience. Stop being an imperialistic and an empire.

I don't see you helping to resolve. You seem perfectly content to champion your own ideas but when I have ideas that you deem to hold back the US, then I am at fault. Your stance about the two high school girls I deem to be holding the US back. But you don't see me saying that you don't support children? You condensend us, but support us, i think. I am supporting America. The free, prosperous America, not the one where our rights have been trampled on in the past 2 decades. I support an America without a Defense Industry that takes up a third of our spending. I support an America that is good to her people. Sorry I'm not supporting your view on what supporting America means to you. But I'm glad you support your view and America, just like I'm glad I support America and my view.

engkatiemarie's picture
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How many times have I told people to write their congressmen? Even if they disagree with me. I do it all the time.

I am just sick of people who whine about the government, and how it's soooo corrupt and soooo awful and the Bush administration just SUCKS and OMG this is SOOOO BAD. If you hate it so much, then move somewhere else, because the rest of us are sick of hearing about how you want the real Americans to hand you life on a silver platter.

And I am not sorry for saying that.

asmaw's picture

I think you shouldn't assume that people who are fed up with the system ONLY whine-

NOT really, we have done enough to show how much we are very much against the actions being taken by our current government---
I am thankful that my city/state is mostly reasonable individuals in power (except I don't like Santorum) but even then our senator who is Republican does not support the wire tapping and intelligence leaks by the president _I am talking about Arlen Specter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlen_Specter#Criticism_of_Bush_for_wire_ta...

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to universal scales of humanity, all humanity...
forever is finding a solution to a solution." -Forever Begins, Common
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chillbill's picture

AT ALL!

And you probably shouldn't be.

I used to be anti-many things, but now I focus on what I am FOR.

Being anti-xxxx was just so negative. I also wonder when things were better than now. Can you give me a time and place? I think I can debunk any 'good old days' you can cite.

A fact is always better than an ideal

son_of_disaster's picture
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Of course not, that would be silly to be sorry for my beliefs.

I never cited 'good old days'. There was never any good old days, but times have been better for our government.

chillbill's picture

Maybe from a PR stand point. Some of the horrors we know about today are just better publicized than the more severe ones in the past. We are actually getting more freedoms, fewer people are being oppressed, and the ratfinks that run things because they are so power hungry are being watched more closely.

I wonder how the camera phone will be recorded by history (don't tase me bro!). LOL

A fact is always better than an ideal

son_of_disaster's picture
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Sure they are being watched more closely, but they still are getting by with it. We seem to have more freedoms, but not really. Fewer people are being oppressed world wide sure, but not because of America, only in Iraq is that why.

I wonder too what they'll think of the camera phone, lol.

asmaw's picture

I've gotten that line when I've shared my opinions on my lack of trust in the
government and people in power in the US and

hell where do I go back to? I hate Pakistan's government and the whole system... here in the US, the corruption is kept under wraps and if you are an ignorant and blind fool, you won't know about it BUT IN pakistan we already know that the government is corrupt They BLATANTLY BUY votes--with money, land, anything, they will threaten you/bribe you/brain wash you--- i know because it happened in front of me BUT at least I know it/everyone knows it, why don't we change it? cuz we're poor, they're rich.

IN US-there is the Idea that our government is not corrupt and is doing things for us-the public-- BUT WAKE UP people, they are doing what they want to do and yes I do ask for change, I did not vote for these people who put the country in billions' dollar debt and I have signed petitiions to ask for changes in policies
I am not the dull and quiet individual, who only whines--sheesh

"I leave my one and only grain of spiritual sand
to universal scales of humanity, all humanity...
forever is finding a solution to a solution." -Forever Begins, Common
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight

mhafweet's picture

I love our government. And this is why:

Like you, son_of_disaster, I am pro-constitution, and without a government to embody it, the constitution would be utterly useless. The greatest beauty of the constitution is that it provides an empowerment for not just the people, but each person individually. Just one of the many gifts of it, freedom of speech means we can write and swear and stick our tongues out at each other on here; it also means we have the right to think and share our thoughts. The government enforces that.

Because every individual is empowered, and because many individuals are stupid, yes, we have many problems. I give you that wholeheartedly. However, that same power gives you and me both the ability to become a moving, changing, cleansing force in our country.

I love our government because it provides this check for its fallibility. I am angry with stupid politicians and whiny minorities and crack-heads who bribe and lobby them to do stupid things. But I love our government.
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"I always knew I wanted to be somebody. I guess I should have been more specific."
~Unknown

son_of_disaster's picture
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I agree, however the government does not enforce our freedon of speech Look, we have kids getting suspended from schol for accidentally bringing a butter knife and drawing a picture of shooting a watergun at a friend. In school we have no freedom of speech. Habeus Corpus has been taken away by the current administration, hello? That is a natural right that the government is not enforcing.

Unfortunately when you're 17, most adults write you off as too young to understand anything...bunch of incompetent assholes.

I hate out government and love our country. I do not like or endorse our government, it has been going downhill since Kennedy took office and it has reached its peak with Bush. Especially after he stupidly, along with Ahmadinejad and Putin, started mouthing off about World War 3. Will no one silence these fools? Whoever comes in next will I predict be just as bad or worse than Bush. The government machine is too big and is getting ready to collapse.

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