There is a meeting going on in Tanzania Africa about whether Anglican churches should divide because of the ordination of a gay bishop and the introduction of gay priests supported by some quarters. I am Christian and my humble opinion is that the supporters of this gay ordination is wrong. This goes against the bible. Don't they see this? It is written both in the New and the Old testament that homosexuality is wrong. I personally do not hate homosexuals. I love them. I do not judge them. I do not agree with it but it is because I am a Christian and I follow the bible. We are all equal and no one has a higher moral authority on the other but this is still wrong. Do these gay priests just jump the chapter on gayism and say that is a chapter they can omit. I would tell them that if they truly feel what they are doing is right then that is them. If you are gay it does not mean you cannot be a Christian but do not think that God should rewite the bible . He does not agree with your lifestyle. Simply put.Its not about me or any human being.It is written there in black and white.The choice is yours. I do hope that these priests find it in themselves to accept God's word as it is and try to grasp it. Its not the popular choice to speak for the bible but all good Christians should stick by it.
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Yeah homosexuality is forbidden in the Bible. Polygamy is allowed. Lying is forbidden as a COMMANDMENT and so is breaking the sabbath (while we all do this). So really, if you believe that being gay is wrong, you should, as a converse, believe that polygamy is right, and that you're not a Christian if you light your stove or post a blog on a Sunday, So how is this different?
Religions should either accept ALL aspects of their religion, or critically analyze ALL these aspects. Picking and choosing just doesn't seem right.
To add to this one of my teachers from high school whenever someone would say it's in the bible he would throw them a football and say that it also says you can't touch pigskin. Basically as I have said in another post. I believe that the bible is a guildline so to speak and that it shouldn't be taken for every detail.
Jenna
Good point. But let us not forget that Saturday is actually the sabbath and people just decided to change it for their own preference. Christians go to church on the wrong day.
-Tim
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"I personally do not hate homosexuals. I love them. I do not judge them. I do not agree with it but it is because I am a Christian and I follow the bible. We are all equal and no one has a higher moral authority on the other but this is still wrong"
You only think it's wrong because you're a Christian? It seems like you are letting your religion guide what you believe and and not thinking what you think is right, you know as a person. I hope I made sense:)
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Both Jenna and Gregyugov are right some parts of the bible that seem too unclear to be commented on and it does seem that there are contradictions. I do not personally feel that just because polygamy was there that I agree with it. It may be a case by case issue,if thats how you put it. I would not want to give a bible lesson but some of the things you say are put in a different perspective by Jesus Christ. Jesus said that we can eat anything we want because it does leave the body if its poisonous, even pig skin. The Sabbath thing was put before Jesus and he said that we cannot follow traditions if we cannot help our neighbours and he went on to heal people and in Ephesians monogamy is encouraged. God did not say he allowed polygamy. The part about man shall leave his parents to be joined to woman and they shall become one clearly meant that He advocated monogamy.I think the New Testament as it means is the new covenant and some of the controversial issues of the Old Testament were dealt by Jesus in the new testament. If the old testament is followed on it own as some religions do then we would miss the perspectives of Jesus completion of some of these controversial traditions. I said that these issue about gayism is in both the Old and the new testament. Jesus didn't agree with it I dont know what you think, but I do repect your opinion.
"Jesus said that we can eat anything we want because it does leave the body if its poisonous, even pig skin."
Well, Jesus was wrong. There are many poisonous things that you can eat and die from because the toxins are not flushed from your body. Mushrooms come to mind, and there are some nasty toxins that come from mushrooms. I'm sure undercooked pork was a problem for them then, even if it is not anymore.
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"Do these gay priests just jump the chapter on gayism and say that is a chapter they can omit. I would tell them that if they truly feel what they are doing is right then that is them. If you are gay it does not mean you cannot be a Christian but do not think that God should rewite the bible . He does not agree with your lifestyle."
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but priests and bishops take a vow of chastity, do they not? So they certainly wouldn't be acting on their desires, whatever they may be, and so I think that God would have no problem with their lifestyles. There is something to be said for people who have desires and do not act on them because they believe it is wrong, and those who do not have such desires. They're not asking you to rewrite the Bible, they're just asking for the chance to devote themselves to God. Is that such a bad thing?
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The Bible forbids homosexual SEX. As priests, bishops, etc, would not be having sex, that should not be a problem. The only problem would be if the man in question had a partner and was engaging in intercourse with him.
When Jesus said that we can eat anything we want because it does leave the body if its poisonous, even pig skin."
Well, Jesus was wrong. There are many poisonous things that you can eat and die from because the toxins are not flushed from your body. Mushrooms come to mind, and there are some nasty toxins that come from mushrooms. I'm sure undercooked pork was a problem for them then, even if it is not anymore
When Jesus said that I am sure he did not mean that we should eat anything that will kill us. It was a misunderstanding I feel that Jesus does advocate eating healthy and safe foods. I just wanted to say that we can eat what we want as long as its edible and safe.
Do these gay priests just jump the chapter on gayism and say that is a chapter they can omit. I would tell them that if they truly feel what they are doing is right then that is them. If you are gay it does not mean you cannot be a Christian but do not think that God should rewite the bible . He does not agree with your lifestyle."
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but priests and bishops take a vow of chastity, do they not? So they certainly wouldn't be acting on their desires, whatever they may be, and so I think that God would have no problem with their lifestyles. There is something to be said for people who have desires and do not act on them because they believe it is wrong, and those who do not have such desires. They're not asking you to rewrite the Bible, they're just asking for the chance to devote themselves to God. Is that such a bad thing?
~C
The issue about the devoting themselves to God is fine. However I do advocate that this priests should search within themselves and do what feels good for them in terms of conscience and spirit. They should live life according to the lifestyle of Jesus. They are leaders in the Christian commiunity and they cannot just live without considering the sacrifice they made. Even if they do not feel like it they should lead by example.
I personally do not hate homosexuals. I love them. I do not judge them. I do not agree with it but it is because I am a Christian and I follow the bible. We are all equal and no one has a higher moral authority on the other but this is still wrong"
You only think it's wrong because you're a Christian? It seems like you are letting your religion guide what you believe and and not thinking what you think is right, you know as a person. I hope I made sense
It does not mean that I cannot think for myself .It just means that I choose morality in the bible as an outlook on how I should live. I do have my questions about the bible. As humans we do have the desire to understand everything. I chose Christianity so that I cannot rely on my own strengths and questions and answers. I don't have every answer to every question but I choose to depend and trust in Him.
The word "homosexual" was not even around when the Bible was written, and if you check the translations you will find that it was not translated correctly.
And yes, polyagamy was promoted in the Bible. Check to see how many wives several of the prominent men had in the Bible.
Homosexuality is not wrong. It is not a sin to love another person.
One of the biggest sins is not to love your neighbor, and to judge.
You are judging...you are basing your opinion solely on what you know to be true, have you researched what previous translations of the Bible say, have you not heard the debate?
The story about Sodom and Gomorrah is actually about hospitality and the proper treatment of strangers..."Behold this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abudnance of idleness was in her and her daughters, neither did she strenthen the hand of the poor and the needy."
The "sin of Sodom consisted not only in what its people did, but in what they failed to do....Failure to protest is to participate in the sin of community"
The question becomes "IS discomfort, or a vague sense of that's the way we're used to, a good enough reason for you (or anyone else, including the government) to continue discriminating in a manner that is harmful to others?"
Check these scriptures out...
Genesis 29:17-28 Marriage shal consist of a union between one man and one or more women.
II Samuel 5:13 and II Chronicles 11:21 Secondly, marriage shoall not impede a man's right to take concubines in addition to his wife or wives.
Deuteronomy 22:13 A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed.
Genesis 24:3 Marriage of a believer and a nonbeliever shall be forbidden.
Abraham Lincoln said, "Both [sides] read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes his aid against the other...[I urge] us both to act with malice toward none, with charity toward all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us the right and to let us judge not that be not judged."
"A prime part of the history of our Constitution...is the story of the extension of constitutional rights and protections to people once ignored or excluded." ~US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Thank you so much for posting this.
Something that really infuriates me is when people quote the Bible out of context, mistranslated, or used only certain passages, while ignoring others, like the ones you stated, but also others, such as 1 Timothy 2:11 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.", 1 Timothy 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." as well as Deuteronomy 23:2 "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD."