I am a Pro-Life supporter. Abortion is murder under any and all circumstances. Why should a mother have the "right" to kill her child? She can murder her baby legally while it's in her womb, but the moment it is born, then that would be considered a crime. Murder is the intentional killing of a human being . A fetus is a human and abortion is an intentional killing, which means that nobody can refute the fact that abortion is murder.
If a man kills a pregnant woman and her baby dies too then he is charged with 2 counts of murder - 1 for the mother and 1 for the baby. However, if the mother aborted her baby that day, she would not be charged with murder becasue it's legal. This makes absolutely no sense. The government would charge the man with 2 counts of murder, therefore recognizing the baby as a human being, yet allows abortion.
Those of you who are Pro-Lifers ned to stand up for what you believe in. Now that Elito has been elected for the Supreme Court we have a change of seeing some changes with the Roe v. Wade decision.
I realize that this was only a peripheral remark in your statement, but I hate it when people politicize the Roe v. Wade decision... or any Supreme Court decision. I am also a critic of Roe v. Wade, but only because I think it an opinion based on at best very flimsy logic, involving "penumbras" of the Constitution. I strongly believe that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, which, contrary to what most pro-choice people would have you believe, wouldn't necessarily make abortion illegal. It would then open the door for congress to legislate on the matter... or simply leave it to the states.
So, to answer your question "A Constitutional right or homicide", I think that "neither" should atleast be considered as an answer.
Well that's valid to choose "neither," even though I disagree. There is no instance in which abortion can be justified in my mind. I believe that it's a hideous crime.
I am also a pro-life supporter, and I agree with you. I'm really happy that Elito is now in the Supreme Court, and I hope that he will make a stand against abortion. I don't know if overturning Roe v. Wade will benefit us as much as it may appear, but I do hope something is done.
I'm not trying to be one of those spelling nazis or anything, but its "Alito." Easy mistake to make. I do think that overall he should be a pretty decent addition to the court. I'm not so much concerned with how he will rule on Roe, as with how he will rule with regard to Bush and the power of the "unitary" executive. I truly hope that everyone who has said he will defer to the executive branch is wrong, but only time will tell.
Hey, maybe you folks would like to also contribute to the abortion discussion at Progressive U happening over here:
http://www.progressiveu.org/115454-to-be-pro-life-and-pro-choice#comment-2171
Why is abortion murder? A fetus has no rights of citizenship.
A Roe v. Wade overturn wold be disasterous, as so many women would go through unsafe procedures to still have the process done.
Abortion: Moral? Heck no
Deserving of a right? You bet.
Abortion is murder. As I said before, the definition of murder is the intentional killing of a human being. Can you actually deny the fact that a fetus is a human being? It has its own unique DNA that no person will ever have again. By the time many abortions are performed the baby is aware of what's going on an can feel the pain.
If Roe v. Wade was overturned women would have abortions legally, but the total number of yearly abortions would definitely decrease. As with any law, some people will abide by it while other won't. Women would rethink the decision of getting abortion because they would realize it must be an important matter if it's actually illegal.
If a woman has a right to have an abortion and kill her child, then everyone should have a right to murder people that they don't like or don't want on the earth for some reason.
do you know anyone that's been through an abortion? have you ever had to deal with the intense emotional pain and post-partum depression that comes with the procedure. i haven't personally had to deal with it, but i've had friends who have, and believe me, if you think women don't already realize what an "important matter" deciding to terminate a pregnancy is, you're seriously misinformed.
and regarding your statement that they would come to this realization if it's "actually illegal"?
guess what? underage drinking is illegal. unless you've never been on a college campus or even at a high school party (sometimes), you've gotta know that even though it's against the law, most people harldy consider it an "important matter."
smoking marijuana is also illegal. most people i know have smoked at least once, and i think if i asked any of them how "important" it was they would tell me that they could care less.
the only difference is that having those things be controlled by the law doesn't force anyone to, for at least 9 months if not 18 full years, take care of another human being. what would happen if you got pregnant? and we're not talking about excessively promiscuous people here, we're talking about people that use protection regularly specifically because they're not ready to bring a child into the world, but the protetection fails. you're going to penalize these women (but not the men, because there aren't really laws forcing the father of the child to be involved, are there?) because even though they were safe, something happened?
and what if you were raped and were impregnated by your attacker? would you really want to not only carry that baby to term but to raise it as a reminder of probably the worst moment of any woman's life that has to go through that experience?
i just think your attitude towards the matter is naive.
for the record, the killing of a pregnant mother only results in two counts of murder if the baby could have lived outside the womb. in the case of most abortions, the "baby" (aka an undeveloped clump of cells...kind of like a tumor! tumors are cells, that are alive...maybe we should stop trying to cure cancer 'cause tumors are living things too. who knows, maybe tumors even feel pain*) couldn't survive outside the womb.
*also note, i'm not trying to say that i think babies are equivalent to tumors. i like children and i very much want to be a mother someday, when the time is right. what i am trying to do is point out the flaws in your argument.
--stacie
"if a woman has a right to have an abortion and kill her child, then everyone should have a right to murder people that they don't like or don't want on the earth for some reason." That is so true. But that will never happen. I just think that this should be outlawed. It's ridiculous. Why would someone want to kill an innocent baby that hasn't yet discovered this world. So what if this world sucks. The baby doesn't know that. Let the baby discover that on its own. Abortion is careless.
Krystella, 17 years old.
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No, that is not "so true". If the unliked person has somehow managed to connect themselves with another and exploit his or her body as a parasitic entity, then yes, he or she would have the right to remove or kill that person.
I love abortion. Read more here:
http://progressiveu.org/044921-i-love-abortion-even-if-it-murder
I agree with Rosso Carne. US courts only have jurisdiction over US citizens (correct me if I'm wrong). Unborn children aren't citizens until they're born and given Social Security numbers and birth certificates. I don't think that the murder of a pregnant mother should result in two counts of murder, because one of the entities killed was not a citizen of, well, Earth.
~Violinstef
The Supreme Court was set up to act as a facilitator between citizens of the US and foreign nations. This is why there were many cases of 'US vs. some native tribe' in the old days.
Now that's not really the case, because we have world courts, and foreign citizens are usually given diplomatic immunity or sent to their own country for punishment. But, of course, we have courts that deal with immigration cases all the time, so clearly they can deal with non-citizens.
~C
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I see what you're saying, but the Supreme Court can't try every abortion case. Immigration cases go to court because there is a branch of law known as "Immigration Law." Abortion also can't be tried in international courts. Fetuses aren't citizens of any nation, so where do their rights come from?
~Violinstef
Oh, I wasn't arguing one way or the other, just pointing out that US courts can try non-citizens, and thus your argument is flawed :)
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total number of abortions decreasing = number of unwanted pregnancies happening.
Good that you're pro life, it's good to have beliefs, but the idea that because YOU wouldn't do it NO ONE should is a little ridiculous. My opinion is, until it's you up there, don't ever assume what you would or would not do. Women deserve the right to choose. Chose to not, choose to. Either way, the right to CHOOSE should be allowed.
In my own opinion is if the person doesn't want to get pregnant, don't go off an have sex.
There's something called a pill, and patch, oh yeah and condom. The products are made for looks. People should use them. And again, if they don't want to get pregnant, than don't have sex. That's the easy way out there.
Krystella, 17 years old.
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Are you applying this idea to married women as well, or are you just manifesting your religion and using this as a way to "punish" people who have premarital sex? I have a big problem with only having sex to reproduce. I'd like to have sex some more in my lifetime.
I love abortion. Read more here:
http://progressiveu.org/044921-i-love-abortion-even-if-it-murder
there is always adoption. there are so many loving family who would love to have a child that cannot conceive one of their own. yes its your child by blood but you terminate your parental rights. if you are raped PUT THE CHILD UP FOR ADOPTION. just because you were raped does not make the child not yours. the baby should have rights too. just because it cant speak for itself does not mean that it doesnt want to live. the child does not have to know how they got there and who the parents are. you can always choose to tell the child everything. but atleast you can live your life knowing that you never murdered your child.
think about it?
Are you going to cover the costs of maternity clothes, time off work, psychiatrists' fees, and medical costs associated with placing a child up for adoption? I have yet to see someone who wants to. How pro-life are you? Have you spent any time or money helping women to choose adoption, or would you rather spend your money on clothes, eating out, or recreation?
I love abortion. Read more here:
http://progressiveu.org/044921-i-love-abortion-even-if-it-murder
I agree that abortion is murder. I really do. I absolutely like this line. "Why should a mother have the "right" to kill her child?" Just because the baby isn't out of the womb doesn't mean she can kill it legally. that baby/fetus is still on the planet earth. It should 100% be considered murder. It needs to be out lawed. I'd have to say that I like the example of the guy killing a pregnant woman. It doesn't make since. AT ALL!!!! I don't think it's homicide. Though, I do believe that it's murder.
Do you think this way with woman who get raped and gets pregnant?? Do they have a right to abort??
Krystella, 17 years old.
shortstella@gmail.com
You gonna prosecute women who have miscarriages with involuntary manslaughter too? Cause, I mean... she didn't mean for it to happen, but the growing fetus still died...
And the person only gets charged with double count in most cases when the child is viable outside the womb, where most people draw the line at allowing abortion anyway.
~C
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I think that the goverment allows abortion for the purpose that they have fear of over population.
And I also think that presidents shouldn't beable to say when they are running to become president "I will stop abortion"
They fact is most likely that won't or can't b/c of the opinion I stated before about over population.
Abortion is good but bad at the sametime.
Some people who have abortions weren't going to beable to take care of a baby. I yes I understand there is adoption but most people say they don't want to bring a baby into this world and put "it" into adoption b/c the fact they would know they had a baby out there somewhere.
And I totally agree with the if a guy murders a pregnat women he gets charged with 2 murders and yet at the sametime abortion is legal
First off, something the blog and its subsequent comments failed to mention: the possibility that the pregnancy could be harmful to the mother, fetus, or both. What do we do then? Do we let the already productive member of society die and let the child live through the potential hell that is foster care, possibly with lifelong health complications?
Another thing worth noting: most abortions are performed during the first trimester, while most medical experts agree that fetal pain cannot be felt until third trimester or after birth.
Also, the fetus is still connected to the woman's body, making it a part of her until birth and thus falls under the woman's right to privacy.
But I will say this: as much as I like the idea of sending criminals to jail for their actions as long as possible, hypocrisy sucks. One count of murder is enough for a pregnant woman unless
A) the woman was in her mid/late third trimester, or
B) the perp murdered the woman solely to end the production of the fetus.
Call me crass, but the day a placenta has more rights than the U.S. citizen carrying it against her will shall be a sad, sad day indeed.
Something to think about...
Pregnancy is always harmful to the woman. Anyone who doesn't believe this definitely has not been pregnant before. It takes a huge toll on your body.
I love abortion. Read more here:
http://progressiveu.org/044921-i-love-abortion-even-if-it-murder
Let me ask you this. If a woman kills herself when she is not pregnant, does the government or any authority charge that dead woman or her family with murder? Then naturally, as the child inside a pregnant woman is a part of the pregnant woman and the woman created that child, it is only just and fair that she have the right to do with is as she pleases. And tell me also, if you were (by some weird chance) have a living, undeveloped twin growing out the side of your abdomen, would you like it to be illegal that you have it removed? It all boils down to personal freedom and civil rights. Any person that creates something that is non-animate or has not tasted a breath of the real world has a right to destroy it. Plain and simple. Not entirely moral, but just nonetheless.
It is moral. Morality based on logic is the best kind. Don't confuse morality with religion, emotion, or anything else.
I love abortion. Read more here:
http://progressiveu.org/044921-i-love-abortion-even-if-it-murder