Does everyone realize that suicide is illegal? If you get caught trying to commit suicide you would go to jail, except then you'd be equittied because you would be legally insane or whatever and just go to the nut house. But, my point it, if people can not choose to die for themselves why can they choose to have an abortion. Afterall, suicide would be a lot less messy if it were legal and you could go to your doctor for it, right? So why not make suicide legal also. If you are pro-choice do you agree with this. Pro-life, disagree? What do people think, no one ever debates this, but to me it is the same arguement.
-Hutch
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Wow, I did not know that, quite surprising!
How can suicide be illegal in the first place? You cannot possibly punish anyone for killing themselves. But suicide and abortions cannot possibly be on the same level anyway.
I do not think suicide should be legalized. I am trying to say that abortion should be illegal for the same reason that suicide is. I'm being sarcastic throughout my post I believe, I'd have to re-read.
-Hutch
"What can I say, that can explain, all this time I'm loving life..."
-The Starting Line
My brother has attempted suicide multiple times and has never gone to jail nor to a "nut house" as a result. Suicide laws vary by state, and the enforcement is sketchy, at best.
As for your argument, I don't see the connection between suicide and abortion. Suicide is an act against self. Abortion is an act against another being. Very, very different.
Well, if he has attempted suicide many times, and your family has not sent him to get help then your family has further problems than I would like to discuss here. Either way, many states have illegal suicide. I did think it was all, and yes, it is probably not very enforced. Afterall, they have to get the police involved.
-Hutch
"What can I say, that can explain, all this time I'm loving life..."
-The Starting Line
I concur. I've known half a dozen attempting suicide and nothing ever coming of it. Where I'm from, there our DA's have much more to do than try and prosecute someone with emotional problems.
Unfortunately no, these two subjects are completely different. The vast majority of the time when people try to commit suicide they are not treated as criminals, they are treated as the ill people that they are.
While I personally would never have an abortion I am pro-choice. I can not imagine telling a woman that has been raped that she has to have her molester's baby, or a young girl for that matter. But I do not agree with legalizing suicide.
Most people once treated regret attempting suicide. Doctors need to help people see how great life can be, instead of helping them take the easy way out.
About the pro-choice and raped women argument. I am pro-life, and also agree that if they are raped they should have a choice.
-Hutch
I have mixed feelings on the topic of abortion. I personally would never get an abortion no matter what the situation was but I feel if some one is raped or that they know the baby will die shortly after birth than they should be able to chose abortion. I do not believe that some teenager who gets pregnant just because they were being careles should be able to get an abortion though.
It's pretty dificult to judge who fits the description of "some teenager who gets pregnent just because they were being careless." The state is in no position to make that call.
A lot of the conflict surrounding abortion results from the fact that the exact status of a fetus cannot be agreed upon. There are some people who claim that it is simply a mass of cells, and others who claim that the instant it is conceived it is a human being. You can't murder a mass of cells, but you can murder a human; as a result, debate over whether abortion is murder is actually one step ahead of the problem, as it stands.
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ok lets look at it this way... new borns dont have insurance...
and if you kill yourself you cant collect it, nor can your family.
suicide, can be brought on by manic depression, and babys can become into exsistance through rape... nither which one can controll...
Actually, most insurance policies have a clause for suicide, and you can collect the amount as long as you've had the policy for a certain amount of time.
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I think you're making too many generalizations, equating abortion to suicide, at least in the legal sense.
That's not to say they aren't good subjects to debate (I'm rather iffy about both myself), but I think it's slightly rude to make assumptions about someone's beliefs on abortion through their beliefs on suicide.
-Moses
thats what i was trying to say... thanks for the back up
Although I probably would never get an abortion [except possibly in the case of rape, incest, etc] I think that everyone should have the choice to have an abortion. I believe that's one thing our country is about, freedom of choice.
~LRC~
I think suicide should be legal. Actually, I think that alot of things which result (or may result) in death should be legal.
--Mike
It's said that some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them.
"Goodnight, Goodnight, parting is such sweet sorrow..."
Generally speaking, with abortion matters I am pro-choice. But, I fail to see how abortion can be compared to suicide. Those are completely two seperate topics; that is unless you are concerned whether it should become legal for someone to commit suicide in order to get an abortion. I personally believe that it is your body, therefore you should have a say in what you can do with it. If you screw up and do drugs, etc. that's your fault for being stupid. Most people wouldn't get an abortion unless they absolutely had to. I personally would never get an abortion. But I am aware of the extremes people go to in order to ensure they don't have their baby. Example? Recently on the news I heard about a girl in critical condition because she asked her boy friend to beat her baby out of her with a baseball bat. I don't know about you, but that's just sickening to me. If she really needed to get an abortion, I don't see why she can't just get it done in a clinic. Suicide is a completely different matter. Although techincally speaking you are only causing harm to your self, the impact of your death can be devestating to those around you and could in fact cause a chain reaction of deaths. I really don't understand why suicide is illegal. If people want to kill themselves, then let them do it. Hate to be cynical but unless you can ensure that they will want to live, why force them? They obviously don't care enough about themselves or the people they know; if they stick around they'll just be a waste of space. If they truly want to kill themselves, fine, they may or may not pay the consequences for it (depending on your religious beliefs), but that's perfectly a-ok. If you don't want to have to do something, then you shouldn't have to.
p.s. I know I can have contradictory opinions when it comes to how humans should live, but it seems hard to mainly stay one-sided, thus the problem with having only two political parties and only two sides on controversial topics comes up.
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...we do realize that comparing suicide and abortion is like comparing apples and oranges, right? Furthermore, we do realize that suicide is the least of our concerns as a country, right? Just checking. :)
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Why aren't there protests being organized in the streets about this? I can see it now-- "RIGHT TO DIE" banners, tortured goth kids and people from all walks of life whose lives are too much for them marching and cheering... it seems that a person who wishes to die but is not legally allowed to make that choice has just as big a problem as the 19-year-old college student who wants an abortion.
With all of the hoopla surrounding a woman's 'Right to Choose' to murder the unborn child whose father may not even know he has procreated, there's not a single person supporting their right to take their OWN life. Although I support neither suicide nor abortion, I have to say that logically speaking, it makes more sense to legally enable one to take one's own life than the life of another. Interesting point, author.
Well, what about the father who may not even know he procreated. Chances are, he doesn't want the kid if he doesn't know this. Why should the government force it on him? Men are already at the mercy of women's right to choice.
--Mike
You are correct in your assertion that it makes more sense to legally enable one to take one's own life than that of another. But you draw the wrong conclusion from it. The reason for that is that it makes more sense to give someone power over their own body than to exert power over someone else's body.
There is no clear reason supporting the claim that abortion is murder. Any government claim to that effect is arbitrary.
Making suicide illegal is pointless, of course. Failed suicides should not be grounds for punishment - mental help maybe.
I agree with most everyone above. I myself think that it should be the woman's choice...but whatever. Suicide and abortion are a little too different to be compared and contrasted.
Besides...what you said didn't make sense, Hutch.
"If a person can't choose to die for themselves, than why can they choose to have an abortion?"
Wrong, buddy. You think the saddest girl in the world is going to give a hoot if suicide is illegal? He/she'll do it if they're twisted enough.
Sorry, but I don't think abortion should be made illegal. And even if it was, you can't add little "if's" and buts" to it. E.G, What if the girl was raped? What if the girl has some hereditary disease that shouldn't be passed on?
Loops, folks. People would slip through them.
Besides...if abortions were illegal, women would go back to getting those hushed abortions, the ones done in hidden basements with shady doctors. Ever heard of China's One Child Policy? Look it up. Gives you an idea of how bad it was.
My uncle has attempted suicide twice i sure as hell think abortion should be illegal to cause if u can't kill urself y in the hell should you kill a little baby, who hasn't even lived it's life yet and you want to kill it if u think abortion is right u should go to a nuthouse for that shit cause the baby didn't nothing to u, if u hadn't had sex u wouldn't had gotten pregnant in the first place or just have safety don't be stupid if u don't want to get pregnant, that's my opionion.
Miranda Ann
How do you prosecute someone for committing suicide?
lolz. That is a real concern. I guess you wish them to Hell.
I never let my schooling interfere with my education. - Mark Twain
What if they're Jewish? Jews don't believe in Hell. And according to some Christians all Jews are going to hell... so how is that a punishment?
Than I guess we just wish bad luck in the after life. If they believe in afterlife. I think it is ridiculuous that suicide is illegal. I mean you can not really punish somebody who has commit a suicide. The only thing you could do is not give them proper burrial(sp?). But that would be horrible, and there is nothing wrong with abortion. People need to get over that fact. It has always been around, even if it is banned, people will find way to do it, if they really want to.
I never let my schooling interfere with my education. - Mark Twain
Wow I never really connected suicide and abortion. Being pro-life, I believe abortion is murder and should be illegal except in extreme conditions, in which one must pass rigorous qualifications for. I don't see the point in suicide being illegal though, if the person is just going to be acquitted for legal insanity and sent to a mental institution. They should just make it so one who attempts suicide goes straight to the nuthouse. Abortion 'patients' should just go to jail for first-degree murder.
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The premise of your comment is false. Suicide (including attempted suicide) is not illegal in the United States.
"By 1963, six states still considered attempted suicide a crime (North and South Dakota, Washington, New Jersey, Nevada, and Oklahoma). By the early 1990s only two US states still listed suicide as a crime, and these have since removed that classification."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_views_of_suicide
The only exceptions are when the act of suicide is "involuntary" (whatever that means), or when the act is undertaken as a means to defraud (such as taking out an insurance policy on yourself for your family, and then killing yourself).
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Merlin: Truth. That's it. Yes. It must be truth, above all. When a man lies, he murders some part of the world.
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If suicide is illegal abortion should be to. I don't understand why anyone would choose to abort in the first place.... but that is besides the point. If suicide is illegal abortion should be too.
~AnGeLa~
Yes, I am sure putting a suicidal person in jail will stop their suicidal thoughts right away.....it makes perfect sense.
Suicide and abortion are not related in any way, shape, or form.