And other pagan myths.
Wiccans worship the devil: Wrong! They worship the Goddess (represented by the moon) and the Horned God (represented by the sun). Many people assume that the Horned God is the devil, however the horns are merely the rays of the sun.
Wiccans dance naked under the full moon with an animal sacrifice: This may have been true at one point. But as far as I know that is completely wrong. White wiccans don't kill anything in their practice. Rather they help things grow and thrive. Now black magic is always a different thing. I have never learned about it because I have no interest in the darkness of it.
If you piss off a wiccan you'll be cursed: And if you piss off a Christian they'll ask God to strike you down. It depends on the wiccan and their religion. If a practicer of white magic gets angry they'll preform a calming spell. All white wiccans respect their fellow womyn and men.
This was just a couple of things for people who know nothing about Wicca to learn and consider. Don't fear something you don't know. Go get a book and learn about it.
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Thank goodness you set the records straight (if you know what I mean) because after I saw the title of this blog, I was about to become fearful of the Wiccan people.
No problem! I just love to have eye catching titles though so more people are drawn to read it. As I state in other blogs I hail from the bible belt so I like to simply inform people of what they are against so they can make an educated decision.
"I am a Stephens Woman."
Not all Wiccans worship the Goddess and the Horned-God. Just to clarify.
Nicholas Aden
Self-Promotion
I was writing about mainstream wicca. I could make several blogs going into the different.
"I am a Stephens Woman."
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THANK YOU! i cannot tell you how many times i have been called a devil worshipper! i am a WICCAN, not a devil worshipper. we dont even believe in the devil or absolute evil! i could go on and on about this subject, but i dont and i wont because i do not want to offend any one of another religion. but, i wanted to say thanks for posting this and i think i may just post a little clarification blog of my own......
blessed be.
That's right, i'm sick of it too.... I only recently decided to become Wiccan after some research and people either fear me or thinks i'm cool and wants me to curse people. I try to explain that I don't do those stuff and all they say is "Some witch you are". Well anyways thanks for this posting it makes me feel better.
Why would people fear you for recently converting to a new religion?
Are you broadcasting it or something?
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Fanaile Essence,
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we had a HUGE controversy about this subject at my school. See, we're a Catholic school, and one girl was Wiccan. A classmate accused her of being a "devil worshipper" and it spread like wildfire. It ended with the school sending a memo home to all parents explaining what Wicca was (they actually got most of it right!) and saying that such conversations were inappropiate for school hours.
You had me up to "White Wiccans"
Magick doesn't have a color - it's energy and energy is neutral. In trying to dispell a myth, you're perpetrating another one.
Wicca is about balance and energy; everyone is good and bad - how they use their energy will determine their lives.
Also, you're forgetting some very basic concepts: Harm None. They don't just start casting calming spells or changing the colors of Magick to black. Wiccans believe in a three-fold law, akin to karma, and they believe in Harm None (either directly or indirectly).
To Nicholas, Wicca is the only duo-theistic religion in existence. They believe in one all-encompassing Goddess and one all-encompassing God; that's one of the defining components of a Wiccan. Beyond that, they're either: going so far eclectic that I would question their path or have been misinformed (it happens, ever heard of "Witta?").
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"yeah well, fwonk"
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Fanaile Essence,
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While magick has no color many wiccans use the words black or white to refer if they stay true to the code. There are also green witches, which I stay more along. White means that you stay to the code. Black means you don't care about the code. Green means you follow the code and generally just use herbs and healing thoughts rather than spells. These are terms that actual wiccans use.
"I am a Stephens Woman."
Where did you hear that?
My guess is you got a book from a bad author (Ravenwolf, maybe? or Edain McCoy? Both Suck; Cunningham,
, he's okay, still not 100% accurate but his encyclopedia's are pretty good, Buckland - he sucks....)
The terms "White" and "black" were assigned by people who don't practice witchcraft to discern amongst themselves what is good and what is bad; Wiccans and other Witches don't use the terms (unless of course, they're brand new, not really Wiccan/Witches, never been trained formally, or read all the same crappy books.
The term "Green" Witch is generally reserved for those witches, Kitchen Witches, who use what they have around the house rather than going out and buying tools and altars and such.
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"yeah well, fwonk"
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Fanaile Essence,
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I know about the God and the Goddess, I was just saying it's not quite like the user was stating it. I was considering Wicca before I decided that no god existed, no matter how much I'd like them to.
Nicholas Aden
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Actually, Wiccans do worship evil spirits. The Goddess and the Horned God are just different names for certain spirits (or demons, to use the more common name). Most Wiccans don't know it themselves, but they do.
By the way, I know people who have had experiance with Wicca. It is not goo. There is no such thing as good Wicca.
P.S. Real Christians will not ask God to strike someone down, but rather to lift them up.
The purpose of the blog was to inform. If you open your mind a bit and read it again you will see that real Wiccans don't strike people down they send postive energy their way. It's a similiar concept. I invite you to read about wiccan again with a tolerant heart instead of a condeming one.
"I am a Stephens Woman."
You have no clue. I will tell you one thing though. There's never been a war fought in name of Wicca, but Christians have slaughtered since day one and they continue to do so. The Goddess and God are merely symbolic of a higher power that many Wiccans see as male and female energy. Pagans invented things like masks and jack-o-lanterns to keep evil spirits away, not worship them. There is no evil in Wicca. We don't believe in "evil" in the way that you do.
There is nothing more evil than a god that would send someone to burn for eternity. That's pretty freaking evil if you ask me. Read the bible a little and you will see how evil your god is. Your god destroyed more things than I can even name from memory. Why did he have to do that when he was going to judge them anyway? Makes no sense. He gave you free will, so if you make a mistake and you're hosed? Not my kind of god. If you want to continue worshipping a god like that, then I guess you can call my gods evil all you want.
What about the fact that Christianity is a polytheistic religion? Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? And no they are not all the same. If they are all the same, then your god was dead for the three days that it took Jesus to be resurrected from the dead (which I might add is pretty satanic). So for three days, the world was without a god? I don't think so. And what about all the millions of people who came before the year 32AD? Were all those people godless? Nope!
I'm not even sure why Christians care so much about bashing other religions. Oh wait, yes I do. It's because Christianity wants to remain in power. Yes, it is all about power. Religions were created to control the sheep.
Tabias-
"There's never been a war fought in name of Wicca, but Christians have slaughtered since day one and they continue to do so. "
Christians like who, keep in mind true Christians are those that embody Christs character.
"The Goddess and God are merely symbolic of a higher power that many Wiccans see as male and female energy."
When you say higher power is the singular or plural?
"Pagans invented things like masks and jack-o-lanterns to keep evil spirits away, not worship them. "
I'll then take your word for it cause you are Wiccan right?
"There is no evil in Wicca. We don't believe in "evil" in the way that you do. "
OK I guess you are. So this being said what is defined as evil? Or is everything a Wiccan does good.
"There is nothing more evil than a god that would send someone to burn for eternity."
How about one who prevents you from getting what you ask for? that doesn't sound nice at all. btw how can you burn for eternity that would then mean eternal life? You know like the burning bush or the three hebrew boys? check that again.
"That's pretty freaking evil if you ask me. Read the bible a little and you will see how evil your god is. Your god destroyed more things than I can even name from memory. Why did he have to do that when he was going to judge them anyway?"
Isn't that what they chose though? Didn't he say that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus.
"Makes no sense. He gave you free will, so if you make a mistake and you're hosed?"
You mean you get the results of the choice you make, with the option to try again? Sounds like you are 'free' to 'will' negative results, which is quite in keeping with the premiss.
"What about the fact that Christianity is a polytheistic religion? Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? And no they are not all the same."
Yes they are. But then again it depends on what you mean by 'the same ...'
"If they are all the same, then your god was dead for the three days that it took Jesus to be resurrected from the dead"
Read John 14. Its covered thoroughly in there. All of them.
"(which I might add is pretty satanic)."
And also tell me one time Satan ever brought some one back to life. It sounds to me like some thing only God can do. Maybe satan can take to form of a dead person give to observer the perception of a 'familiar spirit'.
"So for three days, the world was without a god? I don't think so."
Neither do I.
"And what about all the millions of people who came before the year 32AD? Were all those people godless? Nope!"
I agree with that too. They had differing beliefs as to who was the one true God. But based on the bible consistently proved his existence it seems.
"I'm not even sure why Christians care so much about bashing other religions."
Its not about bashing, (atleast it should not be, there are always those who go too far) but I think it should be about show those who actually want to know the truth where they may have gotten it wrong.
"Oh wait, yes I do. It's because Christianity wants to remain in power."
How ?
"Yes, it is all about power. Religions were created to control the sheep."
by whom might I ask?
- Shawn
When you say higher power is the singular or plural?
Singular because the God and the Goddess are two parts of the whole.
So this being said what is defined as evil? Or is everything a Wiccan does good.
There is no good, there is no evil. So, nothing is defined as evil and nothing a Wiccan does is "good."
I cannot see why so many Christians take offense to Wicca when the main tenant, and about the only tenant, is "An ye harm none, do as ye wilt." Sounds a lot like the "golden rule" that Jesus gave his disciples. Guess which came first, the Wicca or the Christian.
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btw how can you burn for eternity that would then mean eternal life?
Christians don't have a monopoly on believing in eternal life.
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"So this being said what is defined as evil? Or is everything a Wiccan does good."
Although this varies from Trad to Trad a bit;
The easiest way to view a Wiccan sense of good and evil compared to the Christian sense is to picture a big soccer game. One goalie represents God (Good), the other Satan (Evil); and the Wiccan would be the referree of the game.
In other words, everyone is equally capable of winning, or cheating, losing, or playing fair, helping team-mates along the way, and teaching each other the ropes, or tripping people up and kicking them in the head.
Wiccans generally see this type of balance in all things, especially in Nature. Every thing is capable of good acts and bad acts; everyone is empowered by their own self-worth and self-knowledge; Wiccans tend understand their place and how it affects their natural communities (not just their afterlife).
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"yeah well, fwonk"
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Fanaile Essence,
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I like the way you explained that. And yes, that is exactly how we see things. Everyone and everything has the potential to do good or bad.
Thanks,
Tabias-
Tabias: "The Goddess and God are merely symbolic of a higher power that many Wiccans see as male and female energy."
Shawn: When you say higher power is the singular or plural?
Tabias: You must study and understand Wicca to really get the answer to this question, but I'll try to explain it as briefly as possible.
Tabias: The God and Goddess are really One Deity. The God and Goddess are only aspects (or personalities) of Deity. We split them up so that we can be more personal with them. Some Wiccans only go as far as splitting Deity up into the God and Goddess, where some will continue to split even further into a more polytheistic type belief. But at the end of the day; all the Gods and Goddesses are only aspects of the One. This is really no different than the idea behind Jesus. Jesus was created so that people could have a more personal relationship with him because we can’t even imagine what God or Deity is even like, which makes it hard for us to have a personal relationship with them. Our God and Goddess could be seen as the same as the “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” concept. You’re Trinity is said to be all part of the One. If you say otherwise then you automatically have a polytheistic religion. We have Trinities as well. The Goddess Trinity is the Maiden, Mother, and Crone, where the God Trinity is the Page, Father, and Sage. See, we’re really not that much different.
Tabias: As far as the energy concept goes. Many Wiccans (including myself) see Deity as all the energy in the universe. It lives in everything and we interact with it all the time (see pantheist (God is All and All is God).
Tabias: Our Deity is really not much different than the Christian God other than how differently Christians and Wiccans define their Gods. The Deity (God & Goddess) that we serve is not vengeful or jealous. Our Deity does not judge people for their actions, this is left up to Karma (a whole discussion in it's own).
Tabias: "Pagans invented things like masks and jack-o-lanterns to keep evil spirits away, not worship them. "
Shawn: I'll then take your word for it cause you are Wiccan right?
Tabias: Yes. I’m not making this stuff up. I have studied my path and I’ve studied it well. I may be a “Baby Wiccan”, but I’ve done nothing but study and research my butt off about this path for the past year and a half.
Tabias: "There is no evil in Wicca. We don't believe in "evil" in the way that you do. "
Shawn: OK I guess you are. So this being said what is defined as evil? Or is everything a Wiccan does good.
Tabias: Wiccans, just like Christians, strive to do good all the time. I can’t say that everything that Wiccans do isn’t evil, nor can you say that Christians do no evil. We all have “those” who give our paths a bad name, but the majority of Christians and Wiccans are good, moral people. The big difference is that we don’t judge Christians, yet they judge us (and that’s supposed to be “God’s” job).
We believe that “evil” is a human creation. Bad things happen in the world, but I’m not sure if I believe in “evil”. This one is hard to explain over a blog, but basically, I believe that everything has to be balanced somehow. That might mean that a hurricane has to happen to balance out something with the Earth. I don’t think that God or Deity directs hurricanes so that they kill thousands of people. Mother Nature is just taking care of business and we (humans) just tend to get in her way sometimes. As far as bad people are concerned. I believe that all “evil” people have something wrong in the heads. Some type of chemical imbalance. I don’t believe that any person in their right mind would do something to a child, or murder in cold blood. I believe that all people are generally good, but there will always be some who are “born to kill” if you will. And I chalk that up to the chemical imbalance, or even upbringing. Some people just grow up in crappy situations and then they lose it one day. Again, these are all my opinions, not what I claim to be true. I have no medical background.
Tabias: "There is nothing more evil than a god that would send someone to burn for eternity."
Shawn: How about one who prevents you from getting what you ask for? that doesn't sound nice at all. btw how can you burn for eternity that would then mean eternal life? You know like the burning bush or the three Hebrew boys? check that again.
Tabias: I’m not sure I even know what you’re talking about here. If you are asking me “how can you burn in eternity” then you’re asking the wrong person. I don’t believe in that. I, along with many if not most Wiccans believe in re-birth. You die, go somewhere to “reflect” and then you’re re-born one day. Again, these are theories, not something that we claim to be the “truth”.
Tabias: "That's pretty freaking evil if you ask me. Read the bible a little and you will see how evil your god is. Your god destroyed more things than I can even name from memory. Why did he have to do that when he was going to judge them anyway?"
Shawn: Isn't that what they chose though? Didn't he say that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus.
Tabias: If you believe in the bible then I guess they did, but they were also given free will. What’s to say that those people wouldn’t turn around over a year or two and find their way back to “God”? He never gave them a chance.
Tabias: "Makes no sense. He gave you free will, so if you make a mistake and you're hosed?"
Shawn: You mean you get the results of the choice you make, with the option to try again? Sounds like you are 'free' to 'will' negative results, which is quite in keeping with the premises.
Tabias: See previous.
Tabias: "What about the fact that Christianity is a polytheistic religion? Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? And no they are not all the same."
Shawn: Yes they are. But then again it depends on what you mean by 'the same ...'
Tabias: Yes, I know. The reason I even bring up the Trinity as being polytheistic is to prove a point. Wicca is always slammed because people say that they worship numerous gods and goddesses. I was just trying to make a point. I hope that my explanation above of how Wiccans view Deity clears this up a bit.
Tabias: "If they are all the same, then your god was dead for the three days that it took Jesus to be resurrected from the dead"
Shawn: Read John 14. Its covered thoroughly in there. All of them.
Tabias: See previous.
Tabias: "(which I might add is pretty satanic)."
Shawn: And also tell me one time Satan ever brought some one back to life. It sounds to me like some thing only God can do. Maybe Satan can take to form of a dead person give to observer the perception of a 'familiar spirit'.
Tabias: Many say that Wiccans are “devil worshippers” because they talk with the dead. Again, we don’t believe in the devil, so I was just trying to make another point there.
Tabias: "So for three days, the world was without a god? I don't think so."
Shawn: Neither do I.
Tabias: Nuff Said!
Tabias: "And what about all the millions of people who came before the year 32AD? Were all those people godless? Nope!"
Shawn: I agree with that too. They had differing beliefs as to who was the one true God. But based on the bible consistently proved his existence it seems.
Tabias: It is only your opinion that your God is the one true God. I’m sure if you ask the millions of people who came before Christianity, they would say differently. Doesn’t this make any sense to you that Christianity is only 1500 years old and that people did have faith before then? If that makes any sense, then why can’t Christians keep doing what they’re doing, but accept the “fact” that “God” is not the one true God?
Tabias-
people like you make me laugh.
It is pointless to fight about who is right and wrong when talking about Wicca. I'm an Eclectic Wiccan and although Wicca is my foundation, I follow in any way I want to follow. Wicca is a bran spanking new religion that is evolving as we speak. I really hope that the religion remains unaffected by the dogma and people like Fanaile as possible. It's the dogma and people like that who can give Wicca a bad name. To tell a Wiccan that they aren't doing something right is just wrong. We do not have to follow the paths of the mothers and fathers of Wicca (and thank the Goddess for that because some of those folks preached a lot of things that I'm not into, but someone else may be). That is what sets us apart from the other religions. So, if someone wants to use the terms black, white, and green, then let them do so.
Ashes,
I would be careful though when saying that Wiccans do x, y, or z because Wiccans are so different, you might just offend one. I try to say that many, or most Wiccans do x, y , or z, but I do slip up sometimes.
"My guess is you got a book from a bad author (Ravenwolf, maybe? or Edain McCoy? Both Suck; Cunningham,
, he's okay, still not 100% accurate but his encyclopedia's are pretty good, Buckland - he sucks....)"
I really hope you aren't a Wiccan, especially saying things like that. If you don't like a particular author, then fine, but there may be people out there who really like Buckland or whoever. Unless you had something to do with the creation of Wicca then I would have to ask; what are your qualifications to say that one author is any better than another; or to tell another Wiccan what and how they're supposed to think about "their" path? And how exactly do you (or anyone for that matter) know what's 100% accurate and what's not? Who is the author that you hold so high? They're all authors. This isn't the Bible that we're talking about here (not that I believe in that either). To tell you the truth, if I wanted to make up my own tradition of Wicca and do things totally different, that would be ok. You know why? Because that's what Wicca is all about. I hope Wicca never stays the same and continues to grow, change, and evolve over time. This is what will end up keeping our religion alive and well. Things that sit still, stagnate and die.
If you are a fellow Wiccan, I'm sorry for getting a little fired up, but I guess you just hit a nerve.
Blessed Be,
Tabias-
I won't call myself wiccan until I know as much as possible about the religion. But i do love the religion. The blog was about mainstream wicca. And wicca isn't brand new. It branches from Paganism which is older than Christianity.
"I am a Stephens Woman."
Regardless of where it branches from, Wicca is new.
Think of it this way; you are a product of your mother and father, right? That doesn't mean that since your roots go back to your great-grandparents that you can say you've been around that long. You're stil XX age.
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"yeah well, fwonk"
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You're right, I'm not Wiccan, nor do I pretend to be an expert on Wiccan practices, nor do I teach Wicca - besides, I'm not a teacher, I don't have the patience to be a teacher, and I don't have the desire to take on a student anyway - perhaps in the future but certainly not now. I can, however, research authors. So, if you would like me to explain why I said what I did about the authors I mentioned:
Silver Ravenwolf: Not trained in Wicca, but claims to be able to teach Wicca. Her earlier books were okay, when they were generalized; but she turned to selling more books by targeting teenagers (even though most teenagers will have a very hard time finding a teacher outside of their family). She helped "romanticize" the idea of self-initiation (which I will cover in a minute). Basically, she's writing about something she has no training in, and making a boutload of money doing it by targeting people who, typically, rebel anyway.
Edain McCoy: I've never read a litigitmate piece of work by her. Her largest inconsistency is claiming "Witta" to be some Celtic offshoot of Wicca in one book, then claimed Wicca to be an offshoot of the Celtic Witta. BUT - no where in the Irish Gaelic Language will you ever find two "T"s together in a word - because they don't go together in the Irish Gaelic Language. Muchless to name something as important as a religious path (which, the time she is claiming Witta was in practice, religion was a huge part of everyone's lives). Additionally, Celtic Gods and Goddesses were warriors; they were vengeful and ruthless when they were wronged - not exactly your "Harm None" types (I am Celtic, so I know my Gods very well). Therefore, any form of "Celtic Wiccan" is completely contradictory, an oxymoron... one path inevitably collides with the others. BUT - Wicca is a fast-growing religion, and people have long been interested in the ways of the Celtics, so what better way to make money than to marry the two?
Scott Cunningham: like I said, most of his encyclopedias are pretty good; but this author single handedly turned Wicca away from its original initiatory religion and turned it into a happy-go-lucky-do-it-yourself religion by introducing ideas such as "self-initiation". Every religion has some form of an initiation, be it communion, baptism, or some other ritual. He did away with that by saying "you can do it yourself". The very idea of an initiation is to gain recognition as being a member by someone who is already a member - usually a teacher. (Although, I do agree that you can self-dedicate). And don't get me wrong, I realize that you can believe and practice even without initiation; but those people who decide to go that route should also understand that the purpose of initiation is not necessarily to "allow" them to practice - but for others to recognize their dedication.
Buckland is along the same lines as Ravenwolf - writing books about things he has no training in and targeting people that would have a hard time finding a "real" teacher.
Yes, Wicca has evolved, and it will continue to do so; I have no problem with the religion in that regard. Although, I do tend to cringe when I here someone say "I'm an Eclectic Wiccan". Most people use the term "eclectic" wrongly and use it as a means to defend following a conglomerate of various, contradictory religions without having to actually choose a path. Doesn't mean there's no such things as an "eclectic" Wiccan, of course, just that most of the ones I've met use it as an excuse to stay sitting on the fence and do whatever they want with no regard to what their religion actually says or means. And yes, as free as Wicca is - there are still guidelines - just as every religion has. If you go outside of those guidelines, can you still consider yourself a Wiccan? Should others consider you Wiccan?
For example, The Wiccan Rede; Ashes mentioned that "Black Wiccans" was a term she heard used to refer to those Wiccans who don't follow the rede - but the rede is a fundamental part of the religion, and one of the core guidelines. Those people who don't follow it aren't Wiccans according to the religion; so why would anyone deem them "Black Wiccans" - it's an inaccurate term (probably) written by someone who has little to no training in Wicca.
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"yeah well, fwonk"
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Fanaile Essence,
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I just saw this line: "I really hope that the religion remains unaffected by the dogma and people like Fanaile as possible. "
How, exactly, do I give Wicca a bad name?
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"yeah well, fwonk"
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Fanaile Essence,
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You were just being like all the others who find ways to hurt people by bashing what many people believe. I just didn't see any point in bashing the aurthors like you did. To me, you were being very dogmatic. You've had some great post about Wicca though, I just didn't like this one. Sorry.
Tabias-
So, you're saying it's impossible for there to be a bad author? An author that would *gasp* sell out to make a buck rather than to check their references?
It's impossible for Wicca to have an inaccurate book published about it?
So every author in the world who write about Wicca must all know exactly what they're talking about - even if they do contradict each other at times, because Wicca is something that no one gets wrong?
And how is my saying that I believe these four authors are bad authors a means to purposefully hurt someone? What am I bashing? I never bashed Wicca - I don't bash any religion...
But that doesn't mean that every stupid asshole out there who wants to publish a book about it should. I'm not Wiccan, but hell I can spell the world and make a couple words sound Irish. If that's the only prerequisite to writing a book about it - I'm in! And I'll be the next best seller because who gives a shit if I know what I'm talking about...it's not possible for there to be a bad author on Wicca!
Give me a break. I said I disliked the authors - I said nothing about the religion. Please read my comment before you go bashing me...
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"yeah well, fwonk"
--Devon
Fanaile Essence,
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I really just have to say that this made me smile. You write like I do when I get mad. I read your comments and understood what you were saying. I also like how you actually THINK. Okay, I'm done I just had to share that with you. ^-^
"I am a Stephens Woman."
Thank you :)
I've been studying history and religions for a very long time (going on about 20 years now) so while I'm not an expert (yet!) I do know a bit. You're always free to ask me any questions you might have, and if I don't know the answers I'll be more than happy to point you to a direction where you can look for them.
I always appreciate anyone who tried to research and truly know about their path.
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"yeah well, fwonk"
--Devon
Fanaile Essence,
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Alright! I stand corrected. Yes, there can be bad authors.
Tabias-
I'm sorry for the rant;
I had gotten into an argument just before reading that comment about something very similar, and unfortunately you took the full brunt of my anger, which should have been directed to the wench that threw my books in my face (tearing one).
But, I am glad that even through my anger, you were able to see my point; I just should have expressed it better.
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"when you have nothing else to say, "Fwonk" is always the perfect thing."
"yeah well, fwonk"
--Devon
Fanaile Essence,
A-Team Member
No probs. I feel that you and I are on the same page when it comes to this stuff.
No grudges held here.
Blessed Be,
Tabias-
Sorry but you are wrong there. Wicca is new. I have a house full of books and I've spent hundreds if not thousands of hours on the internet researching Wicca. It was started in the 50s, but yes, there are many aspects of Wicca that stem from ancient pagan practices, and yes, those ancient practices do pre-date Christianity, but Wicca is not new at all. It is a baby religion, but there is nothing wrong with the fact that it's new. You must not fall into the mindset that old = correct or better. Again, do not be fooled if someone tells you that Wicca is an ancient religion. If you just want to call yourself a witch or a pagan, then sure you can make that claim, but you can't call yourself a Wiccan and claim that it's an ancient religion.
Please continue your research, you're going to love Wicca.
Tabias-
I'm sorry I miss spoke. Baptists are new but Christianity is oldish and Jeudaism is older. Wicca is along the same in regards to age. It comes from Druids and Pagans which is old, incredibly old. More is old than new in wicca. I have studied Paganism and Druids more than wiccans so I tend to think of it all as old.
"I am a Stephens Woman."
Again, Wicca has adopted many spiritual practices from religions all over the world (Druids, Paganism, Hindu,etc..), but "Wicca" is new. Wicca is basically a combination of many different religions, but it's foundation has more Pagan / Witchcraft practices than anything else. So, if you're a Wiccan, you would be corrrect to say that your path is "rooted" in pre-christian beliefs, but it would not be ok to say that "Wicca" is a pre-christian religion.
"Silver Ravenwolf: Not trained in Wicca, but claims to be able to teach Wicca."
You can teach yourself. Nothing says that you must be taught.
Blessed Be,
Tabias-
"Silver Ravenwolf: Not trained in Wicca, but claims to be able to teach Wicca."
You can teach yourself. Nothing says that you must be taught.
I'm not claiming that you can't research, learn, and even teach yourself;
But you would seek to learn about finance budgeting from a mechanic? Or learn mechanics from an accountant? Sure, either one could look at and learn about the other - but does that qualify them to be a teacher in the field?
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"when you have nothing else to say, "Fwonk" is always the perfect thing."
"yeah well, fwonk"
--Devon
Fanaile Essence,
A-Team Member