Huckabee and Obama clearly come out as the winners of the Iowa Caucus. As a conservative, I don't much care for any of the democrats running, but we'll talk about them in a moment. First, the Republicans.
Huckabee comes out on top. Ron Paul got much more support than he normally does, though there was a big push by white supremacy groups like Stormfront to have ALL of their iowa members go out and vote for Ron Paul. He doesn't distance himself from them or their support, which is not a good sign as to where he might stand (and makes one wonder about him, given his stances on abandoning Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of the middle east, as well as abandoning our friend, Israel) Even so, he did not get much support.
Interestingly, he got more support than Rudy. Rudy chose not to campaign in Iowa. This is a move that, I personally think, was unwise. It shows that he is either too cocky, assuming that he had it 'in the bag,' or it was a declaration that the 'flyover country' folks are just not important enough to the former mayor of new york city. The rest of us get to vote too, Rudy. (Once you leave the New England area, Rudy's support drastically drops... You'd never know it, as the mainstream media are all located or pander to nyc.)
Huckabee won it. I'm not a big fan of Huckabee.... some of his actions as governor of Arkansas were a touch too liberal for me, but he is more conservative than Romney or Rudy, so I guess I'll take what I can get.
Saddly, MY choice, Hunter, got diddly in terms of votes in Iowa. I see this for 2 reasons. First, the MSM. Mainstream Media. They wholly ignore Duncan Hunter. Rudy and Romney and Huckabee... even McCain... get free press coverage every time they urinate. You can't buy that kind of nationwide free publicity. Duncan Hunter knows... he can't get any of it. Even when General Petraeus was testifying before the House committee, no one knew that Duncan Hunter was not only there, but asking questions!
I only knew because I watched the whole event on CSpan. I looked at the covereage that night on ALL of the news networks. All of them discussed the General, and even briefly what was said. Not ONE (Not even Fox News, which the Left likes to berate as the 'right wing news channel' . . . which it is not. It is moderate. The other news channels are just that far to the Left) had any mention of Duncan Hunter, and he was actively running for President! Not even a mention that he was there.
The other reason I see for Hunter, the only real conservative left running, to not do well in Iowa is that it is Iowa. They're very liberal. Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin are almost always voting blue (Even when Reagan won every state but one, that one state was Minnesota). Those three states are large union and farmers states, both of which are pandered to greatly by the Democrats (The Unions can count on the Democrats to allow their monopoly, the farmers can count on the Democrats for more subsidies)
Here, however, is the interesting part: Hillary Clinton. She did very poorly in the Iowa caucus. Obama won, and Hillary had a poor showing. Why is this interesting? Because the news wasn't discussing it last night. NONE of the news networks discussed Hillary doing poorly (except Fox). They talked about Huckabee. Huckabee Huckabee Huckabee... no Hillary. They didn't seem to want to discuss her poor showing in Iowa. This morning, the usual talking heads had gotten together for their spin scripts. "Well, Iowa isn't really representative of voters as a whole..." Alan Greenspan's wife said this morning on MSNBC's "Morning with Joe" program. Funny, just a few days ago they were discussing how important Iowa was.
One more interesting point is the racist reporting. Multiple sources are shocked (Shocked I say!) that obama did well in Iowa. Fox News' program "Fox and Friends" had Jackson on, discussing how all those 'white people' in iowa voted for a black man. Jackson was pleased, suggesting that the United States was finally 'growing up' and 'maturing' . . . (I guess his loss was because Americans were too racist to vote for him, not because he is a one trick pony who has nothing of value to add, just is able to scream 'racist!") Multiple news articles show an amazement that a 'largely white' state would vote for a black man.
All of these articles, and (once again) Jackson show clear anti-white racism. What they are inferring is that white people are far too racist to actually vote for a minority. Utter rubbish. In my Conservative Southern state of Oklahoma, where we elect Congressmen like Inhofe and Coburn, we elected a black man by the name of JC Watts. We also have a history of electing American Indian politicians, like our Rep Tom Cole (I believe him to be the ONLY American Indian serving in Congress right now, but don't quote me on that)
All of the talk about the shocker of Huckabee winning (even though there were clear signs of it coming, as he gained support as you left the New England polling areas) and Obama winning in a 'white state' really are little more than an attempt to avoid having to deal with Hillary NOT being as popular as the MSM is telling you that she is.












One it is utterly ridiculous that the press want cover Hillary losing. Eight, six, and four months ago the media wouldn't stop talking about how Hillary had this in the bag that she was hands down the best canidate, that no one was gonna come close, blah, blah, blah. Now they won't talk about how she lost(technically it was really close between her and Edwards) or they say that Iowa isn't important.
Secondly, of course everyone is a little surprised that a 90% white state voted for a black man...cuz they don't know anything else to say. I mean how bout, "Obama is a hella of a campaigner, orgainzer, and most of all public speaker." No it's that he's black...and white people like him. They talk about Iowa maturing when it is really themselves that need to grow up. It is their preconcived racist attitudes that led them to believe that Iowa wouldn't vote for Obama.
Last of all Huckabee, god I hope he doesn't win(god meant to be a little bit of a joke.) I hate religion in politics. I hate how Huckabee uses his religion for almost everything he does inluding campaign, speeches, radio/tv ads. His message is basically I'm Christian and nobody else running is or is a good enough Christian...so vote for me. I want the religious right to die and get whisked away into some deep dark politically empty hole. That's why I want Guiliani to get the nomination, even though I agree his "ignore the first states" plan always comes back to haunt canidates.
Anyways it is amazing how fast this is all gonna happen, in about a month there will be two nominees for President of the United States. The fireworks have just begun.
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The mainstream media has injected more religion into him than he does.
Yes, he does mention his faith now and again. What's wrong with that? heh.
However, it is the msm that always makes sure to mention that he is a former baptist preacher, or how it is the 'evangelicals' who would support him.... even already blaming them for his win in iowa.
The msm wants YOU to know that he's one of those pesky christians, and that you have to be careful of him because those other pesky christians are going to vote for him....
as though we christians are mindless dolts.
as for how 'fast' this has happend? Ugh. I'm glad it is coming to an end. this has been going on since the Dems won in 06.... I'm burned out. That's why I don't blog about it much.
Lol I could care less what the msm tells me or preaches about Huckabee's former preaching. However it's not the media it is his record that points out how important his faith is to himself and his decesions. His actions as Govenor are what really keep me from thinking, "O this is just a normal guy who happens to be religious..." Anyways I don't have a problem with him being religious but when that is his go to line it becomes a problem worth noting. Then you dig a little deeper and you realize that all his plans suck too.
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well, what is it you want?
"I'm a christian, but in politics I support everything that is against the christian moral base."
that'd just show that he doesn't have the character to stand on his convictions and, therefore, doesn't have the character to be a good president.
i want someone who is willing to be who they prolaim to be... if a christian, have christian morals... if a bhuddist, have bhuddist morals, if a chicken,.... mmm... chicken....
the press, not huckabee, has talked about how religious he is. Look at all the fluff over his christmas ad... "ITS A CROSS! Oh Lordy! It's a Cross! Religious Intolerance!"
in the background of his ad was a christmas tree and a window. The window had a grill in it. It wasn't a cross... but people wanting to portray Huckabee as a religious bigot sure wanted to tell the world that it was. Even intenting a conspiracy that they did it that way on purpose so that it looked like a cross... *smirks*
Huckabee is too liberal for me, but more conservative than Rudy or Romney.
i'm just saddened that my guy got nothing.
Except for the fact that the msm didn't design the commercial, Huckabee did.(I believe he said he did it personally in one interview) Anyways the commercial was strongly supportive of his Christian beliefs, which is fine. I didn't really have a problem with his commercial, he seemed a bit like a stuck up Christian, but I think that is my imagination filling in things that he's done in the past. Like I said his record and actions are what make me think he's not the type of person I want running the country. Not to mention his crappy ideas.
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which is fine. you don't have to like huckabee (I'd be suprised if YOU did.)
however, I think that what the majority of people think of when they consider his 'religousness' coming out. . .. it is actually what is placed there by the people doing the reporting.
Just today on the iowa caucus reporting, I found multiple articles that made sure to reference that he was a baptist minister and that much of his support was likely 'evangelicals' . . . (though they have NOTHING to base that on, they just want YOU to think that.)
In fact, most of what I read about him in ANY article mentions that he used to be a baptist preacher.... so what? I used to be a kitchen designer... what's that have to do with my political campaign in 2016? nothing.
however, the press wants to paint him as 'unelectable' because he is 'too obviously' a christian and his mere existance would violate the 1st amendment.
They can't SAY that.... so they just always fill any report with overtones about being a baptist preacher and having evangelical support. (there are evangelicals who vote democrat just as surely as there are those who vote republican. Evangelical is a religious concept, not a political one)
Those who bash christianity make sure to mention that huckabee is a former pastor.
It reminds me of John Kerry making sure to note that he was in vietnam.... except that this time, it isn't huckabee doing the reminding... it is the press that would rather see romney or rudy.
The network that I was listening to was talking about Hillary, though they were concentrated on Edwards cause... he's... from here. Granted, it was local news, but still. They didn't talk much about Huckabee at all.
I'm just waiting for this to be another '92. :-)
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I'm sure! lol.
Rest assured, at this point, there is no conservative running... you'll get a liberal, whether they're a liberal or a socialist is all that we're going to determine in November.
And by '92, I mean with the Iowa caucus numbers and the outcome of the election, not necessarily the party that wins. I'm not all that happy with any of the candidates, honestly.
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I was happy with Hunter, but that isn't going to be.
both parties keep moving to the left (much to the glee of the socialists and communists), but hopefully the conservatives will form a conservative party.
I don't know. Both candidates are anti-gay people, so I can't say that they're as liberal as you make them [Iowa] out to be.
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What candidates are 'anti-gay' people?
Both Obama and Huckabee.
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Obama is less anti-gay than Huckabee. Economicaly speaking, however, Huckabee and Edwards are very similar. Both are populists.
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People like Hillary can choose to denounce certain supporters. She has the money to do that. As for Paul and the totally overblown white supremacist thing, Huckabee said it best, actually. He was asked in the YouTube debate if he would accept support from the Log Cabin Republicans and he said that he would because he needs all the support that he can get, but that wouldn't mean that he would change his politics. Well, Ron Paul is in that sort of situation. I think that White supremacist groups support him because of the fact that he is the least likely to say that they can't protest or do whatever it is they are doing, short of law breaking. I think that he was helped by the fact that independents could vote and hurt by the very large evangelical population in Iowa Republicans.
Hunter, I don't know that much about, but I don't like his whole Border Fence thing.
Hucabee, I think seems like a good person, but a terrible candidate, representing the worst of both worlds.
Clinton I just plain don't like. I have mixed feelings on Obama and Edwards.
What I think is odd is that Thopson got 3rd, as I still think he's a big nothing.
And, for the record, Paul isn't my first choice, I just think that you strongly misrepresent him.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
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There are even photos that float around where he is meeting with the Stormfront crowd, embracing them.
Again, I don't know if it is or is not a white supremist.... I just don't think it is wise to keep certain company.
The republicans booted David Duke when his kkk membership came to light, as the Republican Party did not want to be associated with such things (though the Dems kept Robert Byrd), and it ended up being a good idea... look at the kook duke has become!
Paul is meeting with supporters. I've seen the pictures. I've also seen him do that sort of thing with non white supremacists. The Personal Choice candidate can't very well say that he won't let these people come to his rallies or support him.
As for guilt by association, I always thought that a silly idea, but I guess the American Government is guilty of the humanitarian crimes of the Saudis because we're associated with them.
It's really very silly. I mean, the white supremacists are going to support someone and, with the absence of a white supremacist candidate, they're most likely to support someone who is the least likely to say that they can't be white supremacists.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
Friedrich Nietzsche