Assalamualykum
(Allah(swt)'s peace and blessing)
suppose I tell you that there exist a thing which you cannot see, touch, taste, hear or feel, even with the most sensitive and advanced instruments known to man it cannot be detected and if it is standing in front of you , you can walk straight through it , also it can pass through doors and walls actually it can pass through anything.
Can such a thing exist?
And by the way I’m not talking of ghosts!
And yes such a thing does exist!
What I’m talking about is known as dark matter and nearly 70% or more of our universe is made up of dark matter!
And this is what the scientists are calming and it is result of observation and logical reasoning.
“The existence of this theoretical substance was first proposed in the 1930s by Swiss astrophysicist Fritz Zwicky.
By studying the rotation of a group of galaxies called the Coma Cluster, Zwicky calculated that the visible mass of the galaxies was 400 times less than the mass needed to explain their gravitational motion.”
http://tinyurl.com/6bjjqb
NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter
“These observations provide the strongest evidence yet that most of the matter in the universe is dark.”
So is it logical and rational to believe that god exists?
We know universe exists and it is about 13.7 billion years old.
Hence it must have had beginning and anything that ages and have beginning must have been non-existing and hence it was created or Caused into existence
Also there is arrow of time ie it travels in one direction only and is irreversible
So there must have been time when it was zero and as we know matter without time cannot exist and time without matter is meaningless.
The most widely accepted theory about our universe is the big bang which state that universe started with singularity but where this singularity came from?
Other theories have come up and one of it states that universe is cyclic.
In this cyclic model, two parallel orbifold planes or M-branes collide periodically in a higher dimensional space, a big crunch followed immediately by a big bang.
And this cycle is infinite and the current cycle is about 14 billions years old.
The question is if universe is infinite then how can you say current cycle is 14 billion years old since dividing infinity will give you undefined answer.
And if you say cycle, it means division And how do you define past present and future And if you say the cycle keeps adding till infinity then there must be first cycle and it had a beginning.
True Infinity can only occur if time is zero since without time there is no motion and without motion there is no matter therefore matter cannot exist for infinity.
Also the universe is flat and therefore there will be no big crunch.
There is another theory known as string theory.
Lot of time and energy as well as money has been spent on this theory but this theory has not produce a single meaningful result in 30 years and this has frustrated many scientists so much that many of them are turning against it and even calling it science fiction.
“Stanford math professor Keith Devlin talks about two new books that call into question the entire idea of string theory”
“Last summer in Aspen, Dr. Schwarz and Dr. Green (of Cambridge) cut a cake decorated with "20th Anniversary of the First Revolution Started in Aspen," as they and other theorists celebrated the anniversary of their big breakthrough. But even as they ate cake and drank wine, the string theorists admitted that after 20 years, they still did not know how to test string theory, or even what it meant.”
“Dr. Lawrence Krauss, a cosmologist at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, called string theory "a colossal failure." “
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/07/science/07stri.html
The only theory that has some observable evidence is big bang theory
As is evident some scientists are trying to present theories that eliminate the beginning and hence God can be taken out of the equation.
But no matter how hard you try you cannot avoid the beginning.
Einstein ultimately accepted to what he called "the necessity for a beginning" and eventually to "the presence of a superior reasoning power.”.
Since we now know universe had a beginning it must not have existed.
So the question what was there before the beginning is not correct because it implies that the cause of the beginning no longer exist after the beginning.
The correct question is what caused the beginning?
Since universe was in a state of non existence there must be something that caused it into existence.
And the obvious answer is God, but saying God is responsible is not enough.
Just as dark matter even though is undetectable but we do know that it is invisible and it has gravitational influence similarly we must describe the entity that caused the beginning.
Since time was also nonexistent this entity is outside time dimension and since matter of which our universe is made of cannot exist without time this entity is not made from this matter.
Since this entity is outside time it truly exists infinitely and not our universe as some suggest.
We need definition of god because there are dozens of religions claiming dozens of gods so which god is true?
There is only one god which fits the criteria and that is Allah (swt)
So let’s define God as in Islam.
[Quran_chapter 112]
1] SAY: "He is the One God:
2] God the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being
3]"He begets not, and neither is He begotten;
4]"and there is nothing that could be compared with Him
As already stated the entity is not made of any matter contained in this universe, no false vacuum, no quantum field, no energy strings,
We cannot comprehend how Allah (swt) looks.
This is really very clever without describing how Allah (swt) looks we can still know a lot about him
Allah (swt) has about 99 names (one hidden) or attributes (properties)
Some of them are:
Allah (swt) is also known as Al-Haqq meaning
The Truth, The True, The One who truly exists.
In our universe there is no such thing as infinity there are things we call infinite because it is beyond our capacity to measure or count, these things may be indefinite but are not TRUE INFINITE
Because there is arrow of time and time never stops and it goes in one direction only
It is irreversible
A thing is infinite only when it is outside of time since it has no beginning and no end only such thing is infinite and only a thing or entity that is infinite i.e. it always existed can Cause beginning of our universe which is finite.
Allah (swt) is also known as Al-'Awwal meaning
The First, The One whose Existence is without a beginning.
Allah (swt) is also known as Al-'Akhir meaning
The Last, The One whose Existence is without an end.
Since Allah (swt) has no end and no beginning he is outside of time and he truly exist
He is true infinite.
Allah (swt) is also known as Al-Khaaliq meaning
The Creator, The One who brings everything from non-existence to existence.
We know that absolute nothing cannot exist, but something can come out of nothing
Remember when our universe never existed only Allah (swt) (entity) existed because he is TRULY INFINITE but we also know that the Allah (swt) is not part of our universe and the matter which our universe is made of, is not derived from Allah (swt) because it cannot exist without time, hence Allah (swt) created our universe out of nothing.
I must admit that I m not qualified person to make a statement such as “something can come out of nothing”
But there is one man who thinks he is qualified to make such a statement
(Perhaps the world’s most famous cosmologist)
Stephen Hawking Says Universe Created from Nothing
"Speaking to a sold out crowd at the Berkeley Physics Oppenheimer Lecture, Hawking said yesterday that he now believes the universe spontaneously popped into existence from nothing. He said more work is needed to prove this but we have time because 'Eternity is a very long time, especially towards the end.
He said, "Nay, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, He Who created them (from nothing): and I am a witness to this (Truth).
{Chapter #21, Verse #56}
To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is.
(Chapter #2, Verse #117)
(Truly Allah (swt) alone is greatest and all possible praises to him)
Allah (swt) is also known as Az-Zaahir meaning
The Manifest, The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.
Allah (swt) is outside space and time
Allah (swt) is also known as Al-Mateen meaning
The Firm One, The One with extreme Power which is un-interrupted and He does not get tired.
Since Allah (swt) is infinite his power is also infinite
Now it has became evident and can be reasonably concluded that only an entity such as Allah (swt) is capable of creating our universe.
I would like to share some interesting verses form Quran regarding creation
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? [Al-Quraan 21:30]
“general relativity shows that under certain reasonable assumptions, an expanding universe like ours must have begun as a singularity.”
“If the density of the universe exactly equals the critical density, then the geometry of the universe is flat like a sheet of paper. Thus, there is a direct link between the geometry of the universe and its fate.
WMAP has confirmed this result with very high accuracy and precision. We now know that the universe is flat with only a 2% margin of error.”
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html
Professor Joseph Silk
Head of Astrophysics, Department of Physics, University of Oxford, United Kingdom
Joseph Silk: No. We do not know whether the Universe is finite or not. To give you an example, imagine the geometry of the Universe in two dimensions as a plane. It is flat, and a plane is normally infinite. But you can take a sheet of paper [an 'infinite' sheet of paper] and you can roll it up and make a cylinder, and you can roll the cylinder again and make a torus [like the shape of a doughnut]. The surface of the torus is also spatially flat, but it is finite. So you have two possibilities for a flat Universe: one infinite, like a plane, and one finite, like a torus, which is also flat.
The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfill it
{Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #104}
Allah-o-akhbar!
now if you do open up to the idea that may be god exist and Allah (swt ) indeed is true and only one god capable of creating our universe than another set of questions arises,
That I will try to answer in my next post. Inshallah
(All the true things I have said are from Allah (swt) and any mistake or unintentional wrong information I may have given is from me and I ask his forgiveness. Allah (swt) alone knows true meaning of everything)
Your argument is known as the Kalam Cosmological Argument. Put simply:
1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.
There's also the classic Cosmological Argument:
1. Every finite and contingent being has a cause.
2. Nothing finite and contingent can cause itself.
3. A causal chain cannot be of infinite length.
4. Therefore, a First Cause (or something that is not an effect) must exist.
(Both courtesy of Darwins Beagle's recent blog entries on the matter, which I highly recommend reading, as he can present this argument significantly better than I.)
Since universe was in a state of non existence there must be something that caused it into existence.
...The question is if universe is infinite then how can you say current cycle is 14 billion years old since dividing infinity will give you undefined answer.
Easy. Time is relative. Time in this universe may or may not operate the same in another universe. It has been 14 billion years since this universe started. How did this universe start? From another universe, possibly a black hole, since black holes have to go somewhere when they die.
Of course, you're then going to ask where the other universe came from. To which I'd answer another universe. And you would again ask, because in your mind, such things need a beginning.
What about God's beginning?
Of course, you'd answer that God doesn't have a beginning because God is infinite.
So, why can't the multiverses be infinite?
God and those outside universes are one and the same -- a thing from which this universe came that we are incapable of observing. They are the unknown.
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge
Easy. Time is relative. Time in this universe may or may not operate the same in another universe. It has been 14 billion years since this universe started. How did this universe start? From another universe, possibly a black hole, since black holes have to go somewhere when they die.
Yes I agree time is relative and this is also supported by holy Quran
He will say: "What number of years did ye stay on earth?"
They will say: "We stayed a day or part of a day: but ask those who keep account."
He will say: "Ye stayed not but a little,- if ye had only known!
(chapter 23,verse 112-114)
He regulates the affair from the heaven to the earth; then shall it ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.
http://tinyurl.com/5l6k42
The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:
Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience of beautiful (contentment).
They see the (Day) indeed as a far-off (event):
But We see it (quite) near
http://tinyurl.com/6zulvg
Whether universe is 14 billions years or 14 seconds old, the question remains
Division of infinity will give you undefined answer but 14 billions years or 14 second is a definite answer.
Also when you say other universe do you mean it is running parallel with our universe?
If so you need to explain how you concluded this?
Is there any evidence or any logical reasons to think so?
You need to state yours reasons just as I stated mine.
And if you are saying it is cyclic big bang and big crunch and big bang and big crunch
Then the evidence is to the contrary because it has been confirmed that geometry of our universe is Euclidean, our universe is flat it can be rolled up just as holy Quran says but it will not collapse on itself i.e. no big crunch.
How did this universe start? From another universe, possibly a black hole, since black holes have to go somewhere when they die.
Could a black hole absorb enough mass to become a Big Bang?
No. According to general relativity, a black hole does not have the same kind of space-time geometry as the 'initial singularity' from which the universe seems to have emerged. All you would end up with after swallowing a galaxy worth of mass would be a so-called 'supermassive' black hole weighting several billion times the mass of the Sun, and occupying a volume of space about the size of our solar system. It would then just sit there for 10^100 years or more before completely evaporating away into a plasma of electrons, positrons and so on. But so far as we know from the theory, no Big Bang.
http://tinyurl.com/5pskwc
Since black hole is out you will have to find another alternate
THE FLAT UNIVERSE
says Turner, "is that the universe is in fact flat. Draw a triangle that reaches all the way across the cosmos, and the angles will always add up to 180º."
The flatness of the universe also means the theory of inflation has passed a key test. Originally conceived around 1980 (in the course of elementary-particle, not astronomical, research), the theory says the entire visible universe grew from a speck far smaller than a proton to a nugget the size of a grapefruit, almost instantaneously, when the whole thing was .000000000000000000000000000000000001 sec. old.This turbo-expansion was driven by something like dark energy but a whole lot stronger. What we call the universe, in short, came from almost nowhere in next to no time.
http://tinyurl.com/78l
Lets take a little break and see what Allah (swt) has to say in the holy Quran
To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is.
(chapter 2,verse-117)
THE FATE OF THE COSMOS
“100 billion or so galaxies we can now see though our telescopes will zip out of range, one by one.”
“By the time the universe is 1 trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years old, the black holes themselves will disintegrate into stray particles, which will bind loosely to form individual "atoms" larger than the size of today's universe. Eventually, even these will decay, leaving a featureless, infinitely large void. And that will be that—unless, of course, whatever inconceivable event that launched the original Big Bang should recur, and the ultimate free lunch is served once more.
http://tinyurl.com/78l
And guess who is capable of serving the free lunch!
Or, Who originates creation, then repeats it, and who gives you sustenance from heaven and earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Say, "Bring forth your argument, if ye are telling the truth!"
( , Chapter #27, Verse #64)
See they not how Allah originates creation, then repeats it: truly that is easy for Allah.
(Chapter #29, Verse #19)
Were We then weary with the first creation, that they should be in confused doubt about a new creation?
( Chapter #50, Verse #15)
It is He Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; and for Him it is most easy. To Him belongs the loftiest similitude (we can think of) in the heavens and the earth: for He is Exalted in Might, full of wisdom.
( Chapter #30, Verse #27)
And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colours: verily in that are Signs for those who know.
( Chapter #30, Verse #22)
What was before big bang?
What was before god/Allah?
After spending lifetime crunching equations and churning out theories the world renowned Mr. Stephen Hawking now says he now believes that universe was created out of nothing and he intends to prove it and says it may take till eternity.
Saying something can come out of nothing does not make sense
But saying something can create the universe out of nothing makes a lot more sense.
Is not He Who created the heavens and the earth able to create the like thereof?" - Yea, indeed! for He is the Creator Supreme, of skill and knowledge (infinite)!
Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is!
(Quran-chapter 36-verse 81-82)
But the question is how we can conclude the holy Quran is the word of true god (Allah (swt))
That is for my next blog.
...is that there is actual, objective evidence that points to the existence of dark matter, and the people who support that theory presentt it as a theory. On the contrary, the believers of "god" or "allah" have no evidence at all for an anthropomorphized entity, and yet they (the vast majority, at least) asset the existence of their imaginary friend as if it were a fact.
Stephen Hawking Says Universe Created from Nothing
"Speaking to a sold out crowd at the Berkeley Physics Oppenheimer Lecture, Hawking said yesterday that he now believes the universe spontaneously popped into existence from nothing. He said more work is needed to prove this but we have time because 'Eternity is a very long time, especially towards the end.
As for what Stephen Hawking actually says, I would suggest that you watch this lecture, by Prof. Hawking on this very subject...
Origin of the Universe - Stephen Hawking
1 of 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFjwXe-pXvM
2 of 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSUsXYcQ5qA
3 of 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzO5eSjgocA
4 of 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhNX1wKFbB0
5 of 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Kp0rQ23PY
I especially love the part when he compares people who demand that there must have been a causal "beginning" to the universe to people who, upon hearing that the Earth is round rather than flat, asked "but what happens when you walk off the edge?"
TTFN,
Blackout
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You have not read my post properly Allah (swt) in not a anthropomorphized entity
In fact to ascribe such characteristics is the greatest sin in Islam.
]...is that there is actual, objective evidence that points to the existence of dark matter, and the people who support that theory presentt it as a theory.
There is no direct evidence for dark matter, the most sensitive and sophisticated instrument have failed to detect It., its presence is derived from calculating the mass of galaxies which is far less than what it should be.
Only three things are known about dark matter
It is completely invisible but is has gravitational influence and the third that it exist.
All this from logical conclusion.
Similar conclusion can be drawn for the existence of Allah (swt) and not god as understood by some
But that will be in my next blog.
As for what Stephen Hawking actually says, I would suggest that you watch this lecture, by Prof. Hawking on this very subject... .
Are you saying that he does not believe the universe spontaneously popped into existence from nothing?
The only theory that has empirical evidence is the big bang theory and you can go only as far as singularity which is supported by the holy Quran.
Beyond that no evidence and none will be coming because of cosmic amnesia
What was before big bang?
There are number of theories, parallel universe, bouncing universe, multiverse, megaverse
None of these have any evidence to support them they are mere conjecture. And in some case science fiction.
What scientists are trying to do is invent equations to suit their assumptions
You see 4 dimensions are not enough to know what was before big bang so let’s add more like 11 … the answer is not what expected so let’s make it 26 dimensions; still the answer is not satisfactory. Does not matter let continue
The fundamental particle of which our universe is made is not spherical or point but rather shaped like very very very very small strings just like guitar strings (long live rolling stones)
These strings vibrate (may be to one of the songs of rolling stones) and so can curl and become round or they can twist; they can become extra dimensions...and from this our universe is born and other universe and other universe
You have just been introduced to string theory the latest theory to explain EVERYTHING.
Unfortunately some scientists are calling it science fiction or may be fortunately
Of course there are variations of variations of this theory
"Mathematician Peter Woit of Columbia University describes string theory in his book Not Even Wrong,. He calls the theory 'a disaster for physics.' Which would have been a fringe opinion a few years ago, but now, after years of string theory books reaching the best sellers list, he has company."
Well you have infinite amount of time to come up with infinite number of theories with infinite solutions
Good luck
What was before big bang?
What was before god/Allah?
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge
You have not read my post properly Allah (swt) in not a anthropomorphized entity
In fact to ascribe such characteristics is the greatest sin in Islam.
Then you are guilty of "the greatest sin in Islam." Ahem...
This is really very clever without describing how Allah (swt) looks we can still know a lot about him
Using a masculine pronoun to describe your imaginary friend is a form of anthropomorphization.
Allah (swt) has about 99 names (one hidden) or attributes (properties)
Ascribing "names" to your imaginary friend is likewise a form of anthropomorphization.
There is no direct evidence for dark matter,
This is a typical example of the theistic shell game. What I said was "actual, objective evidence that points to the existence of dark matter." I your rebuttal that there is no direct evidence is nothing but a willful attempt to avoid having to deal with the actual contents of the theory, or to produce similar evidence to support your beliefs. Likewise, I must point out again that dark matter is a theory, and its proponents in the scientific community present it as such. You, on the other hand assert your belief as a fact, but provide nothing in the way of actual, objective evidence to support that assertion. This is one of the central dis-ingenuities of theism.
Similar conclusion can be drawn for the existence of Allah (swt) and not god as understood by some
Horsepuckey. Can you provide even ONE falsifiable test based on observable events that would prove or disprove your theories? The answer is, of course, no...you can't.
But that will be in my next blog.
I can't wait. *yawn*
TTFN,
Blackout
"Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything." ~ Robert A. Heinlein
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Yes, I've changed my username from "percivale" to "Blackout." Go here if you want to know why.
Using a masculine pronoun to describe your imaginary friend is a form of anthropomorphization.
I will ignore your ignorance but your lack of understanding and knowledge about Islamic Tawhid need some illumination
http://tinyurl.com/6jezq7
Original Quran is in Arabic language and translation of Quran in any language is not consider as Quran but only a translation because many times it is not possible to convey the exact meaning or idea from the holy Quran.
Just like in French language there is no neuter gender
In Arabic language also there is no pronoun for a neutral gender
And in English using “it” for possessor of knowledge and power is showing sign of disrespect
But then why not use she or her?
Again in Arabic language masculine pronoun is the default pronoun used for neuter gender.
And feminine pronoun is exclusively used when the subject is female.
Feminine pronouns cannot be used in any other context.
...but we weren't having this discussion in Arabic, so the lack of a third-person singular neuter pronoun in that language is hardly relevant. But as to your comment...
And in English using “it” for possessor of knowledge and power is showing sign of disrespect
...even that attitude demonstrates they anthropomorphization you use when thinking of your fictitious friend. After all, why would an "it" (and since we are using English, that IS the appropriate pronoun to use, respectful or not, based on your reference to a genderless being).
And in whatever language you read the Quran, that book ascribes many human qualities to the character "Allah." It is ascribed with speech (to Muhammed), motivations and desires, intelligence, and lets not forget the many names you mentioned...all of which are anthropomorphizations.
No matter how you slice it, you are ascribing human qualities to your concept of "deity," and the fact remains that you have not one single slice of actual, objective evidence that would support a rational belief in ANY of this crap.
TTFN,
Blackout
"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it." ~ Robert Heinlein
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Yes, I've changed my username from "percivale" to "Blackout." Go here if you want to know why.
but we weren't having this discussion in Arabic, so the lack of a third-person singular neuter pronoun in that language is hardly relevant.
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And we aren’t discussing grammar either
It’s not about grammar it’s about concept it’s about belief
Nature of Allah (swt) is too vast to be encompassed by the human mind or to be conceived by human ideas
Prophet of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "Ponder over the creation of Allah and do not ponder over the essence of Allah because your minds cannot possibly encompass that."
Our basic senses are quite limited we can see but our vision is limited, we can hear but only certain frequency range.
Even our mind has limitation; it is very easy to visualize a 3d space but add a fourth dimension like time and your mind goes in a tizzy and if more dimensions are add it becomes impossible to describe or visualize or even imagine such space or diagram. It’s beyond our brain capacity to do so.
“That the experts in the field of multi-dimensional space are in agreement
that multi-dimensional space can not be visualized is not surprising. It
is well known that we are unable to see more than three mutually
perpendicular coordinates at the same time”
http://tinyurl.com/6eu5u5
There is no physical description of Allah (swt) it is beyond human capability
In the holy Quran Allah (swt) says
It is He Who has created for you (the faculties of) hearing, sight, feeling and understanding: little thanks it is ye give!
(chapter23,verse-78)
It’s Allah (swt) who has given us the so called human qualities and senses and not vice versa
***** cannot comprehend the concept of Allah (swt)
And if you still go on rambling him, he, it, see, say
I will not blame you
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edited by sawaboof for TOS violation (7.31.08)
There is no such thing as beyond our brain capacity or limited visions!
Sadly enough, the software which most are being programmed with is corrupted, one can venture beyond in order to expierience, the only limitation around is the one One believe’s to be the one and only truth!
This limitation is ignorance!
To believe or know the truth are one thing to believe, in expieriencing any while understanding both simultaniously holds no bounderies to cloud visions, surely not around what’s to be found in the physical of a ride amongst,
Limitation!
One limitation is not accepthing we are all Super-Gay, on the breach and tippingpoint to become lovers,
:-)
It is said,
Serpents Egg – The Host of Seraphim
There is no such thing as beyond our brain capacity or limited visions!
Any sort of evidence to prove that brain is limitless?
Forget about corrupt software such limitlessness and visions has potential to bring down your hardware
Many men of great understanding have gone kaput trying to cross such limits and visions
Boltzmann, Ludwig (1844–1906) Austrian physicist
He had increasingly severe bouts of mental depression.Ludwig Boltzmann's struggle to prove the existence of atoms and probability eventually drove him to suicide
Sir Isaac Newton
He developed paranoid delusions, which included thought broadcasting, auditory hallucinations, blunted affect, and poor insight
Georg Cantor-German mathematician. He is best known as the creator of set theory
Drove himself insane trying to understand infinity!
Albert Einstein
If no one turned up to his lectures he gave them anyway talking to an empty room. At the age of 50, he had a nervous breakdown brought on by depression and paranoia.
Paul Erdős
Immensely prolific Hungarian mathematician.
He spoke of "The Book", an imaginary book in which God had written down the best and most elegant proofs for mathematical theorems
He himself doubted the existence of God, whom he called the "Supreme Fascist" (SF) He accused the SF of hiding his socks and Hungarian passports
Kurt Godel-The Austrian mathematician and logician
He believed that unseen enemies were stalking him and trying to kill him
He believed someone was trying to poison him through his food and eventually he starved himself to death
John Nash-Mathematical Genius
Suffered from paranoid schizophrenia. During this time, he was in and out of institutions
Nikola Tesla-
best known for many revolutionary contributions in the field of electricity and magnetism
Tesla suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder and had many unusual quirks and phobias
Tesla was obsessed with pigeons
Near the end of his life he would claim to be visited by a specific white pigeon daily
Blaise Pascal
Was a famous philosopher, mathematician, and computer technician
Pascal went slightly insane during this period and became subject to several manias
Having developed an obsession with geometric precision, he demanded of the local magistrate that the city be laid out under his designs, comprising a complex spiral pattern he had created with a Spirograph set
And here is some more
Wed, 07/09/2008
Study Finds Human Brain Capable of Finite Number of Thoughts
“A groundbreaking study performed by the St. Paul, Minnesota-based Institute for Cranial Research has determined that human brains are capable of generating only a finite number of thoughts before becoming "utterly expended or depleted" “
“According to Dr. Sulcus' calculations, a typical human brain is capable of "between 411,000 and 436,000 thoughts before neural degradation makes the further generation of original thoughts impossible”
http://tinyurl.com/6qhgy4
Nothing in this world is infinite everything will eventually end
Allah (swt) has created a wonderful thing called entropy and it eats away everything, it is eating away our whole universe.
And anything that ends is not infinite and even out thoughts ends as the study suggests
It is only Allah (swt) that is true infinite
Believing in Allah (swt) and being Muslim does not mean intellectual dead-end
Because Allah (swt) tells us to think, ponder; reflect about the things that he created.
"How Islamic inventors changed the world
From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life. As a new exhibition opens, Paul Vallely nominates 20 of the most influential- and identifies the men of genius behind them"
http://tinyurl.com/6aothg
"Science & Mathematics in Medieval Islamic Cultures"
“There were astonishing (surprising) achievements by Muslim scholars (people who study, students) and scientists during the period from approximately 750 to 1050 A.D. This period is called a "Golden Age" of the Islamic World.”
http://tinyurl.com/6huvuk
The breaches have been closed and the point is no longer tipping
The serpent needs to lay another egg
This one turned out bad
Any sort of evidence to prove that brain is limitless?
...
“According to Dr. Sulcus' calculations, a typical human brain is capable of "between 411,000 and 436,000 thoughts before neural degradation makes the further generation of original thoughts impossible”
http://tinyurl.com/6qhgy4
Do you have any information about the "Institute for Cranial Spelunking" that your article cites as a source? I've never heard of them, and as best I can tell they don't have a web presence.
The reason I ask, is that your link points to the original source of this article as...
I just wanted to bring to your attention that Avant News is a website dedicated to SATIRE. In their own words...
This just goes to demonstrate my point, really, about how poor of an understanding many religious people (yourself included, it would seem) have about the scientific theories and concepts they criticize.
As for the "limitless" nature of the brain, it depends on what you mean. As far as we can tell, all humans eventually die, and when they do their brains cease to function. Technically speaking, that's a limit. However, the brain's capacity while living appears to be essentially limitless (barring injury or disease, of course...the brain doesn't "fill up" after receiving a certain amount of information, and we can fully conceptualize "limitless" ideas such as infinity, and the human imagination seems similarly prone to a limitless number of self-created possibilities), and through the process of brain plasticity continues to expand by creating new neural pathways, even into adulthood (which was recently discovered and previously thought not to be true).
TTFN,
Blackout
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Yes, I've changed my username from "percivale" to "Blackout." Go here if you want to know why.
Yes it was a mistake I should have checked the source.
But one bad link is not as bad as a bad egg!
My argument still stands and you have a job cut out; more links are coming your way!
This just goes to demonstrate my point, really, about how poor of an understanding many religious people (yourself included, it would seem) have about the scientific theories and concepts they criticize
You are wrong I love scientific theories and concept they create more questions than they answer and they make existence of Allah (swt) more rational and logical.
You know like
Tiny tiny strings or creating something out of nothing or time travel
Oh yeah I forgot quantum mechanics, did you know it supports magic?
Have you ever heard about voodoo magic, there is this doll of the person you want to harm and through magic if you twist the arm of the doll the arm of the real person also gets twisted.
“But two entangled particles can appear to influence one another instantaneously, whether they're in the same room or at opposite ends of the Universe. Pretty spooky indeed.”
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/23jan_entangled.htm
“Scientists still (somewhat shamefacedly) speak of the "magic" of "quantum weirdness." And yet all experiments in recent years have shown that Einstein was wrong and that action at a distance is real.”
http://www.cebaf.gov/news/internet/1997/spooky.html
Credibility checks please
However, the brain's capacity while living appears to be essentially limitless (barring injury or disease, of course
Everything in this universe is limited nothing is limitless we may not know the limits but it does not mean it is limitless.
It’s the second law of thermodynamics. Everything, be it mineral, plant, or animal, a Lexus or a mitral valve or a protein in a cell wall, eventually breaks down.
Let me give you few examples how our brain is not limitless
“The amount of information we can remember from a visual scene is extremely limited”
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/2622
“Memory bottleneck limits intelligence”
http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=902
“Memory's limit is even lower: 4 things at once”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24353810/
“Capacity Limits of Information Processing in the Brain”
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4026/is_200501/ai_n13486685
“So the human brain has limitations, especially in a world where we're constantly bombarded with stimuli. "Even though our brain is often very much vaunted for its incredible processing capacity, that it's a very sophisticated parallel processing computer, well, that's not the whole story," says Marois. "Our brain has very humbling limitations”
http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?language=english&type=art...
The ever so famous Stephen hawking says artificial intelligence will overtake human intelligence
Now this speaks volumes about our brain limitations
“Professor Hawking said computers were evolving so rapidly that they would eventually outstrip the intelligence of humans. Eventually, computers with artificial intelligence could come to dominate the world”
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20010902/ai_n14419260
...the brain doesn't "fill up" after receiving a certain amount of information, and we can fully conceptualize "limitless" ideas such as infinity,
Really?
“Georg Cantor and Kurt Gödel, both said to be driven into mental asylums by their contemplation of the infinite”
http://www.alumni.berkeley.edu/Alumni/Cal_Monthly/April_2002/The_mathema...
The film also talks to the latest in the line of thinkers who have continued to pursue the question of whether there are things that mathematics and the human mind cannot know. They include Greg Chaitin, mathematician at the IBM TJ Watson Research Center, New York, and Roger Penrose..”
This is a BBC documentary and makes interesting viewing
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3d1_1197234730
and through the process of brain plasticity continues to expand by creating new neural pathways, even into adulthood (which was recently discovered and previously thought not to be true).
Brain plasticity does not mean you are next in line for being superman
“Study Provides Insight Into How the Brain Loses Plasticity of Youth”
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/522815/
Our brain is a wonderful and amazing creation agreed
But we must appreciate the creator rather than the creation
...and so I will reply to you, below.
TTFN,
Blackout
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Yes, I've changed my username from "percivale" to "Blackout." Go here if you want to know why.
Our brain is a extraordinary tool,
Our mind is only an operating system,
Our thought is the reason why we are having this funny chat!
“Your words”
“The serpent needs to lay another egg”
“This one turned out bad”
My words
You carry a sense of humor, I like that, lol.
In order to grasp limitless, it is important to take a peak outside of the “box”.
One’s believes, are mostly the one and only limitation which make one to willingly reside inside a “box”.
Do know, the vast majority of this world’s population are sharing that same “box”.
The reasons why many are residing in this “box” may seem different but still they all boil down to the very similar same reason to begin with.
A profound lack of insight and hypocrisy with a huge amount of self-pity!
In one word, ignorance.
This “box” has been set in place in order to create a personal acceptance of limitation, making such that only few can grasp or understand what is going to follow next.
Evidence cannot be projected upon individuals that linger inside a “box”.
Because they are unwarily suffering from corrupted software. This software is working fine because it causes all the limitation to manifest itself beautifully and in accordance to theat software purpose.
So, why is there any suffering? The suffering is caused by doubt!
Any individual which has not gained self-awareness suffers an anxiety. This anxiety occurs when the soul is knocking at ones door in order to express its identity.
When one is lingering in a “box” he/she cannot allow this identity to manifest itself, because it is not compatible and therefore doesn’t not fit inside the installed software.
No need to mention the confusion coming out of that is the cause of all limitation which generates even more doubt!
The effects of this doubt are making such that the “box” is in fact a self sustained prison of one’s mindset.
The only way to get out of the “box” is achieved by a profound will in doing so!
No need to mention, the software which is the construct of this prison is fully aware of this, therefore it has implemented an illusion of choice to chose from whenever doubt starts to manifest itself.
This illusion is the limitation many suffer in effect, why, because it is fake!
Because it is fake it boils up certain amounts of frustration to arise making such that more limitation will make to narrow down the boundaries of ones prison.
This is mostly when shit hits the cradle, doubt becomes a projection of the imprisoned mind upon its surroundings.
These projections are manifestations of (self)hate and destruction.
The direct result of that is trauma!
To ignore and put aside one’s own true identity in order to please a fake illusion
which many blindly follow without questioning is for the least to say, a disturbing factor in many lives.
The good news is, the Egg of illusion is starting to burst, some really don’t like it, but might funny enough enjoy the effects of it upon their next ride.
One needs to go through the experience of the real in order to grasp what infinite represents.
To deal with corrupted software first, can easily speed up this process while making it less a painful experience achieved.
Our brain is a great tool because it’s an universal antenna, to use it in order to tune in other frequencies with a somehow fresher content, one needs to carry a will to step out of the “Box”.
Good luck,
It is said,
Can’t help it - tangoterje
Our brain is a extraordinary tool
Yes and like any other tool it has its limitations
Our mind is only an operating system
And like any other operating system it is not perfect and is design to operate in a particular environment it is useless out side its environment
You carry a sense of humor, I like that, lol.
Me as well...I like that
Your hiss is loud but your bite is soft.
In order to grasp limitless, it is important to take a peak outside of the “box”.
I did there is another box outside and this box is so huge it gives illusion of being outside of the box
One’s believes, are mostly the one and only limitation which make one to willingly reside inside a “box”
Thinking one's self as toad will not make one toad
One may learn to croak but one was never a tadpole
Truth will always remain truth but falsehood does goes around wearing cloak of truth
A profound lack of insight and hypocrisy with a huge amount of self-pity!
In one word, ignorance.
Ignorance is lack of knowledge
And nobody can claim to have absolute knowledge therefore everybody is ignorant in varying degree.
So, why is there any suffering? The suffering is caused by doubt!
Suffering is caused by loss or not being content with what one has.
Any individual which has not gained self-awareness suffers an anxiety. This anxiety occurs when the soul is knocking at ones door in order to express its identity.
When one is lingering in a “box” he/she cannot allow this identity to manifest itself, because it is not compatible and therefore doesn’t not fit inside the installed software.
No need to mention the confusion coming out of that is the cause of all limitation which generates even more doubt!
The effects of this doubt are making such that the “box” is in fact a self sustained prison of one’s mindset.
The only way to get out of the “box” is achieved by a profound will in doing so!
No need to mention, the software which is the construct of this prison is fully aware of this, therefore it has implemented an illusion of choice to chose from whenever doubt starts to manifest itself.
This illusion is the limitation many suffer in effect, why, because it is fake!
Because it is fake it boils up certain amounts of frustration to arise making such that more limitation will make to narrow down the boundaries of ones prison.
This is mostly when shit hits the cradle, doubt becomes a projection of the imprisoned mind upon its surroundings.
These projections are manifestations of (self)hate and destruction.
The direct result of that is trauma!
To ignore and put aside one’s own true identity in order to please a fake illusion
which many blindly follow without questioning is for the least to say, a disturbing factor in many lives.
The good news is, the Egg of illusion is starting to burst, some really don’t like it, but might funny enough enjoy the effects of it upon their next ride.
One needs to go through the experience of the real in order to grasp what infinite represents.
To deal with corrupted software first, can easily speed up this process while making it less a painful experience achieved.
Our brain is a great tool because it’s an universal antenna, to use it in order to tune in other frequencies with a somehow fresher content, one needs to carry a will to step out of the “Box”.
Corrupt software is not the only one that can produce corrupt data.
Perfectly designed software can also produce corrupt data
In computer language it is known as
GIGO
For computer illiterates it means
“Garbage In, Garbage Out (abbreviated to GIGO) is a phrase in the field of computer science or ICT. It is used primarily to call attention to the fact that computers will unquestioningly process the most nonsensical of input data and produce nonsensical output”
http://tinyurl.com/ysout2
It is said
Too many times!
Can’t help it – tangoterje
Yes! Can’t help it – ajazz
Oops! Sorry
Good luck!
Perfectly designed software can also produce corrupt data
In computer language it is known as GIGO
Actually, perfectly designed software is designed to check for and stop garbage input.
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge
There is no need to bite, I can tell from what I read, one hasn’t been outside the “box”, to actually support the illusion one is being fed with, makes one to cling to it while limitation is the only thing clinging will bring forward.
Endless discussions arise were no questions are asked.
http://www.ghostsofcitesoleil.com/
You might be interested in the first few chapters of Joyce and River Higgenbotham's Pagan Spirituality. Despite the name, the first two or three chapters actually read more like a psychology/sociology book with a focus on religion in general, specifically religious and spiritual development both on the individual and societal levels. It goes a long way in explaining why different religions are the way they are, as well as the overall mentality of the people of different ages.
The models they use generally have about 7 different levels. Most people in a given era sit at one particular level (socially, developmentally, and spiritually). However, some people transcend that level. Each level can only understand its level and/or the levels below it. It is incapable of understanding the levels above it. Therefore, those that transcend society's level are often considered crazy and are even hated for what they are and what they can do and it's only when society catches up to these people that society sees them for their greatness.
Correlation is not causation. It's quite easy and entirely possible he was already prone to depression, not to mention the fact that most forms of depression are caused by an imbalance in hormones such as serotonin. I don't know much about him, but I'm willing to wager that there's more that drove him to suicide than his quest to prove atoms.
You know, I heard that same kind of story, only the person giving the lectures was a pastor giving a sermon. He was regarded highly by the storyteller because he persevered with his calling, even when he thought no one was listening. He gave sermons to empty rooms for years before anyone started showing up.
Again, another "disorder" that is caused purely from biology. He had schizophrenia from the time he was in college (maybe earlier; he just started seeing people in college). In other words, he was about our age when things started going downhill. On the other hand, it was because of his schizophrenia that he was able to achieve such great works that eventually won him a Nobel Prize.
Substitute "pigeon" for "dove" and many people would say that he was visited by angels. A particular white one would be the one to "carry him away." And again, neurological disorder. Flawed "hardware."
Okay, before I even read Blackout's response, that threw up tons of red flags, considering there's more neural connectors than that in the brain. So, even if every connector was used once, that would account for far more than 400,000 thoughts.
Are you really that desperate for evidence of your claims? If not, then I suggest you start using your ability to think and ponder to make sure your sources at least sound credible.
And African Americans invented peanut butter and the cotton gin, and the Native Americans domesticated corn and developed the ability to grow it, what's your point? Every single person you pinned above as "faulty hardware" also had great inventions that revolutionized history. The fact that someone invents something, or comes up with a new theory has nothing to do with their religion, just like it has nothing to do with their skin color.
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge
There's a fine line between genious and insanity
I agree.
“Therefore, those that transcend society's level are often considered crazy and are even hated for what they are and what they can do and it's only when society catches up to these people that society sees them for their greatness”
But crazy is as crazy does
You are confusing odd behavior with insanity
Crazy behavior or eccentricity does not need institutionalization
They were crazy in.
should-be-strapped-down-to-a-table-and-have-electroshock-therapy kind of way
But when they were sane they were brilliant
I do not consider myself in any of those so called levels
I do acknowledge their brilliance otherwise I would not have said
“Men of great understanding”
But the fact is these people pushed the limits of their mind
Our brain is an amazing piece of creation but it has its limitations
And any system when pushed beyond its limits suffers and so did they.
Many other similar persons recognize this limit and they back down or restrain them self from being consumed by their thoughts and hence they survive
“Biological Basis For Creativity Linked To Mental Illness”
“during the early stages of diseases such as schizophrenia, which are often accompanied by feelings of deep insight, mystical knowledge and religious experience, chemical changes take place in which latent inhibition disappears.”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031001061055.htm
“Intelligence and Insanity”
“Most people inherit a version of a gene that optimizes their brain's thinking circuitry, yet also appears to increase risk for schizophrenia, a severe mental illness marked by impaired thinking”
http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/02/intelligence_and_insanity.php
Are you really that desperate for evidence of your claims? If not, then I suggest you start using your ability to think and ponder to make sure your sources at least sound credible
Everybody makes mistakes, do you?
But does one bad link deserve death punishment?
No I’m not at all desperate
I have satisfactory answers to all my questions hope same is with you.
But when they were sane they were brilliant
Actually, some of them (Nash, for example) were most "brilliant" when they were insane.
I don't argue the fact that some of the greatest minds in history weren't what society considers sane. Even in the creativity fields, some of the most brilliant people suffered from things like depression, several of which committed suicide.
On the same token, they, as well as the scientists, were, undeniably, the most brilliant people in their crafts and revolutionaries in their fields.
It should also be noted that Muhammad would be classified as a schizo himself, since his visions and revelations from god and his seeing Gabriel are not unlike the visions schizophrenics experience.
You are confusing odd behavior with insanity
No, I'm not.
Again, I recommend reading the book I've already linked. I can't do justice the in-depth look the authors did on the matters of sociopsychology and the mental development of humans as a society.
But does one bad link deserve death punishment?
Interesting choice of words.
Irony aside, that is why you spend a couple minutes making sure your sources are sound.
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge
And we aren’t discussing grammar either
Then why did you bring it up?
It’s not about grammar it’s about concept it’s about belief
I agree, and I know that you have belief. The problem is that your beliefs do not have a rational basis, as they are not based in any way on the kind of actual, objective evidence that a rational person would demand before ascribing to them.
Nature of Allah (swt) is too vast to be encompassed by the human mind or to be conceived by human ideas
If that is true, then how did you come by the beliefs that you have? You claim to know a great deal about the "nature" of this "allah" character, but when pressed to explain the things that you claim to know...suddenly "he" is "too vast
to be conceived." That sounds to me like an excuse intended to avoid having to actually defend your beliefs in a rational manner.
Prophet of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "Ponder over the creation of Allah and do not ponder over the essence of Allah because your minds cannot possibly encompass that."
Of course he didn't want you to "ponder" the subject too much, because when you stop believing blindly, and begin to actually think ratioanlly about the subject, it doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Our basic senses are quite limited we can see but our vision is limited, we can hear but only certain frequency range.
Another excuse.
Even our mind has limitation; it is very easy to visualize a 3d space but add a fourth dimension like time and your mind goes in a tizzy and if more dimensions are add it becomes impossible to describe or visualize or even imagine such space or diagram. It’s beyond our brain capacity to do so.
It only sends your mind into a "tizzy" if you lack the education and experience needed to comprehend the subject matter. Dr. Hawking provided some really very simple visualizations to help in that regard in the videos I linked to, above. You might also want to try his books...A Brief History of Time, and The Universe in a Nutshell. Honestly, if you spend half as much time in a science classroom as you seem to have spent in a mosque, these concepts would not seem so foreign to you.
“That the experts in the field of multi-dimensional space are in agreement
that multi-dimensional space can not be visualized is not surprising. It
is well known that we are unable to see more than three mutually
perpendicular coordinates at the same time”
http://tinyurl.com/6eu5u5
That's why we use mathematics to describe these dimensions. There are a great many things in this world that we cannot see, but which we can nonetheless prove through the application of advanced mathematics and physics. Its called, "using the right tool for the right job." A good example is time, the most easily accessible of the extra dimensions that surround us. You can't "visualize" time, but it IS possible to prove that this fourth dimension exists.
There is no physical description of Allah (swt) it is beyond human capability
Another excuse.
In the holy Quran Allah (swt) says
It is He Who has created for you (the faculties of) hearing, sight, feeling and understanding: little thanks it is ye give!
(chapter23,verse-78)
The application of the ability to speak is an anthropomorphization.
aIt’s Allah (swt) who has given us the so called human qualities and senses and not vice versa
This is a common logical fallacy known as "begging the question." Unless you can provide actual, objective evidence that the premise of this statement (i.e. that "'allah' exists"), then this conclusion is without a rational basis, and is illogical.
***** cannot comprehend the concept of Allah (swt)
And if you still go on rambling him, he, it, see, say
I will not blame you
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I don't have any trouble at all comprehending the concept of "allah." In fact, I've had a pretty good handle on the base concept since I picked up my first Superman Comic Book, many years ago.
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LOL...I wish I had seen what you said before the mods removed it. I suspect it was just the typical sort of blather that so often comes out of the mouths (or in this case, fingers) of theists when they sit down to the intellectual card game, and get mad when someone calls their bluff and takes all their chips.
TTFN,
Blackout
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Yes, I've changed my username from "percivale" to "Blackout." Go here if you want to know why.
You are wrong I love scientific theories and concept they create more questions than they answer and they make existence of Allah (swt) more rational and logical.
I am not questioning your "love" of scientific theories...only your understanding of them. Your comments lead me to believe that you know very little (and I think I am being generous when I say this) about quantum mechanics or the other general theories that you reference.
For example, Voodoo (a religion) attempts to manipulate the beliefs of its victims so as to convince them that they are being effected by a supernatural force...i.e. "magic." Quantum Entanglement describes an physical event which can be observed and tested in an objective manner. The use of metaphors is useful at times...and the article to which you linked does so quite generously...but when you confuse the metaphor for the real science behind it...well, we can all see the results of that here, I think.
What is needed here isn't a credibility check...but rather you need to go back and read the entire articles that you are citing and try to understand them, rather than trying to quote mine them in the hopes that you can convince people that the science involved in these theories is really some sort of "magic."
You are also incorrect in your use of the term "limitless" as it applies to these theories. In correct scientific terms, everything in the universe is bounded. That does not, however, mean that everthing in the universe is limited. A bounded spacial system (like the universe) also contains infinite (i.e. limitless space).
Likewise, your misapplication of the Second Law of Thermodynamics is rather glaring (and in fact a common canard among psuedo-scientific theists). Factually incorrect. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that, "The entropy of an isolated system not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium." Part of the beauty of string theory and quantum mechanics is that they suggest that the universe is NOT an isolated system. And, even if the universe will eventually "break down" as you suggest, that does not in any way provide evidence that the imaginary being that you refer to as "allah" is acutal or real.
I already pointed out that the question of a limited brain depends on how you define and apply the term "limited." Since the evidence is that all humans die, there is a very plain "limit" on brain capacity...i.e. you can't keep putting ideas into a dead brain. But that does not in any way suggest, nor is there any evidence that would suggest that there is any aspect of relality which the brain is incapable of understanding. Virtually every aspect of modern human society would seem "impossible" to the primitve minds that dreamed up your religion a few hundred years ago. But the human mind has proved itself eminently capable to figure out the world around it.
I also have to point out in particular that this article in particular...
“Study Provides Insight Into How the Brain Loses Plasticity of Youth”
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/522815/
...you are significantly misrepresenting what the article indications. For one, I have already pointed you to some very recent research that has disabused the idea that brain plasticity does not occur in adults. It just occurs more slowly than it does during the critical periods of young development. And, evev your own source points to experiments in which these researchers were able to induce periods of increased brain plasticity in through the proper stimulations of the environement and select proteins. Again, you need to go back and read the whole article before you cite these tings.
But we must appreciate the creator rather than the creation
The fact remains that NOTHING that you have presented thus far incidates the existence of "allah" or any other supernatural power. You are engaging in the age-old theistic fallacy of begging the question of your deity's existence. Before your "appreciation of the creator" can be considered rational, you must first provide a rational basis for that belief. So far, you haven't done that.
TTFN,
Blackout
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Yes, I've changed my username from "percivale" to "Blackout." Go here if you want to know why.