When a person signs up for something, are they necessarily being forced into it? No, they are signing up for something based on their own free will. So why do people insist that our military men and women are dying for something that they didn't sign up for?
Understandably, no one wants to go for war. It's a terrible thing, but sometimes necessary. Yet some people sign up for the military, and when they are sent to war, claim that this "was not what I signed up for." I'm sorry, but, how can you sign up for the military and expect to never see a day of combat in your life? You cna hope not to see combat, but you can't expect not to.
If you are going to live here, you have to expect to give something back. Especialyl if you went to college on the government's money, or just in general. Some countries make it mandatory that all young men serve a certain amount of time in the military. Here, where it is completely voluntary, there shouldn't be a problem. There should be no people claiming that they "didn't sign up for this." Even if there is a draft, you signed for it. You can't recieve any kind of federal money without signing up for the draft (should there ever be one).
And even if there was, in my opinion, you should be glad to defend yoru country. Whether or not you believe in what the current leader or government wants. It's your country. If you don't like it, then go to Canada.
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No, I don't think that any Americans sign up and said, gosh, I want to die for oil or be killing for the Mega Corporation. They sign up because they love their country or tried to get a college education. There is a difference between dying for your country and being killed for corporate enrichment.
That is why so many people dodge the draft during Vietnam and tried to get out of Iraq, because war was never declare and all the reason for fighting is wrong. I don't know where you got the idea that the soldiers aren’t proud of defending their country, any soldiers are proud to defend their country but when you kill soldiers for the purpose of corporate enrichment or for money or whatever other than defending your country, that is when it is wrong.
The American soldiers aren’t some useless piece of machine that should be use as toy to fight wars that will never affect the corporation that will be making money. When a soldier joins, all he ever ask is that they don't die in vain nor should their lives be use to make money for the corporation.
That is why so many dodge the draft, because the propaganda were that if we leave Vietnam, all the dominos are going to fall, southeast Asia are going to go communist. Will, thirty years or so later, our jobs are being ship overseas so that the Vietnamese can made our clothes. So, really, what did the soldiers dies for. That is why, when an American soldiers is sent to fight against a sovereign nation without a formal declaration of war but are meant to be kill for the corporation, the soldiers said "this isn't what I sign up for" because they sign up to defend their country not the corporation greed.
perhaps this may explain it better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xADWkL7fgOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzXbemJrEu0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf9wAo_i4K0
read my blog: http://www.progressiveu.org/171257-respecting-someone-form-the-other-pol...
and this video too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
Ok, but, I wasn't talking about the soldiers. I'm talking about general American citizens who cry out in woe that our young men and women were forced into the military and forced into the war.
People who doged the draft were counter cultural revolutionist hippies. They wouldn't have gone to war even if they believed it was legit.
And if you ask many of the soliders who are in Iraq today, they believe that what we are doing is good and that we do have a purpose being there. That's why you never see the media talking to soliders, just to politicians who hate this war and want us to lose it. The soldiers don't follow the media's agenda and are therefore useless to them.
Yeah, but it isn't really a war. Remember, the war was never declared. The bill allow George bush to use military force. And I disagree; those that dodge the draft weren't all hippies. Look at George bush and dick Cheney. George was licking some stamp in the senate campaign in Alabama and dick Cheney got 5-draft deferment. Rush Limbaugh dodges the draft because he had a mole on his ass. Many of the republican senators in office right now had other priorities than serving in the military.
Are you a dirty hippie, is that why you aren't over there fighting? Beside, I don't believe that recruitment is going up because I don't see college republican lining up the street
to join the military. I think that you had been listening to much rightwing radio because if everything is going great than why don’t college republican at the university I go to lining up the street want to enlist. Why aren't you over there fighting? No, the media aren't ignoring pro genocide of American soldiers.
There is no purpose in Iraq, because bush had never given a purpose and even if he did, the story keeps changing. I believe that all those good stories are just really to keep people like you who are too much of a dirty hippie to serve spirit up. If everything is going great, than people like you would had gone and join the military but you haven't, and that said something about how you felt toward the invasion of Iraq. Yeah, you may listen to the propaganda by the rightwing talk show radio and actually believe in it, but something is keeping you from enlisting to fight over there in Iraq.
I, and this is my opinion is that you really don't believe in the occupation of Iraq and that you are just a political loyalist to George bush and the Republican Party. Whatever George bush said or does, you support it because you are loyal to him for whatever reason, maybe you were raise by republican parent or everyone you know are republican, and you are afraid of not being accepted if they found out that you are not a bush loyalist. My whole point is that you are not a true believer in the occupation of Iraq because you haven't enlisted to join. If you really believe that there is a purpose in fighting in Iraq, you would had gone over there and fight, not for political gain or to keep your family happy but because you truly believe in the mission.
No, I think that are these good stories are feed to you to keep your hope and loyalty to the Republican Party and George bush. If you actually stop for a second and wonder why the genocide of American soldier and Iraqi civilian is happening, you might question the power of authorities. So, it is much better to keep up the lies and myth of everything is going great because you don’t really want to feel bad about liquidating American soldiers and Iraqis civilian. You are one of those people I call the bullshiter (its not an insult).
A bullshiter: someone who believes in his or her own lies even through they knows that it is morally, fundamentally wrong. Bullshit is a lie you tell yourself in order to justify an action or belief, which, while convenient, you also know in your heart be fundamentally wrong. People generally do not believe their own lies, but they generally do believe their own bullshit. And I think that if a scientific study could be done, we would discover that it's bullshit--the attempt to justify things that cannot possibly not be wrong--that has done our world the most long-lasting damage.
For example, you know that it is morally and fundamentally wrong to kill American soldiers and innocent Iraqis for the oil, but you chose to believe in your own bullshit of justifying the occupation because that way you won’t felt guilty about killing them but you know that it is morally wrong to kill for corporate greed, so that is why you haven’t join or enlist to fight.
And yes, the media do censure people from different opinion. They are the corporate media, their goal is to keep up the rating and get as much people they could to watch their show. Haven’t you heard the saying “if it bleeds, it leads.” To the corporate media, they are making money by keeping the retheoric of anti American soldier genocide. With the lead up invasion of Iraq, people like pope john Paul II and Jim Winkler were censure by not showing their opposition to the invasion of Iraq.
January 2003, Pope John Paul told his Diplomatic Corps:
“War is not always inevitable. It is always a defeat for humanity... War is never just another means that one can choose to employ for settling differences between nations… War cannot be decided upon…except as the very last option and in accordance with very strict conditions, without ignoring the consequences for the civilian population both during and after the military operations.”
John Paul II sent his personal representative, Cardinal Pio Laghi, a friend of the Bush family, to remonstrate with the U.S. President before the war began. Pio Laghi said such a war would be illegal and unjust. The message was clear: God is not on your side if you invade Iraq.
http://www.cjd.org/paper/jp2war.html
The same went for Jim Winkler, the secretary of George bush and dick Cheney church. Here is what he said:
http://www.cmep.org/Statements/2004June_Winkler.htm
Every aspect of the rationale for war was wrong, indeed false, save one—Saddam Hussein was a ruthless tyrant. On that basis alone, however, we would not have gone to war. There are plenty of tyrants around the world. Saddam was not massing troops and threatening to attack any of his neighbors. Saddam was not carrying out mass murder prior to the war. In fact, it was the United Nations sanctions, strongly supported by the United States, which have been killing large numbers of Iraqis this past decade. This invasion constitutes a gross violation of international law. It is not just a mistake. Thousands and thousands have died. Our highest officials have committed high crimes and misdemeanors. It is not enough to claim they meant well. They did not.
when your church and the pope come out aganst the invasion of iraq, it means that there is something wrong with invading it.
Watch this video:
http://www.atomfilms.com/film/voice_prophet.jsp
There were several churches that are against the occupation of Iraq, but you don’t hear it on the media or the right wing talk show. The United Methodist Church (Bush-Cheney church) are against the occupation of Iraq so are the Baptist (not the southern Baptist), Lutheran and several other branches of Christianity, but you don’t hear them on the media. The southern Baptist and neoconservative Christian are the only one get interview for their support of occupation.
Bill Clinton and several other beloved Democrat leaders were draft dodgers. Why not mention them in your tirade?
Um, Congress voted on the war. All but two people supported it. It was even said, "We are in a state of war." You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out we're declaring war.
If you expect other people to go to war, then why don't you? I'm enlisting in the Marine Corp. once I get out of college. How about you? And I don't listen to the radio. I know how to read.
"No, the media aren't ignoring pro genocide of American soldiers."
I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean.
"but something is keeping you from enlisting to fight over there in Iraq"
Because I'm going to college. But like I said, I'm enlisting after college. Will you be doing the same? I also have no idea why you keep calling me a dirty hippie. I obviously support the war where a hippie wouldn't.
No purpose in Iraq? There was a brutal dictator who repeatedly defied UN sanctions, acts which SHOULD HAVE caused some action somewhere didn't. Also, maybe the fact that he harbored terrorists and Al Queada may have something to do with it...
When the war started, I was underage. I couldn't have fought anyway. And I'm female. I won't be down in the rough and tumble. Again I say, I am enlisting after college. How about you? I disagree with some of things Bush has done and with the way he has handled some things. I do not follow everything my parents say to me, I don't agree with all they say. I am not afraid of not being "accepted" because I don't need anyone's acceptance accept my own. Stop it with the personal attacks on myself and my family, it's really low.
I believe that war was the right choice. I do not believe that it entirely for oil. I can't possibly feel guilty for sending soldiers to Iraq BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEND THEM THERE. The government kind of does that, and I'm not in the government. I am not "bullshitting" myself. And again, you keep harping on me not joining and enlisting. I couldn't have joined to enlist until this year. And again, I'm going to college so I can do something after getting out of the military. I ask you again, will you be doing the same?
"Saddam was not massing troops and threatening to attack any of his neighbors. Saddam was not carrying out mass murder prior to the war."
So the fact that he gassed thousands of Kurds and Shiites, had mass graves, and routinely carried out brutal torture is not committing mass murder? That's interesting. And if he was not htreatening anyone, why not let UN inspectors in? Why have storehouses for weapons?
you are using right wing talking point, that mean that you are listening to limbaugh, right wing talk radio, and fox news. there was no wmd in iraq, george bush and cheney came out and said it.
and no, i don't believe that you are planning to serve in the military because you are using revisionist history. 2 3 senator and 1 32 representative voted against the the military authorization. the fact that you would lie about who supported military action against iraq is evidence that you either been listening to too much right wing radion or just had revisionist history.
so it is collage that is keeping you out, what shame. so you are enlisting after college, will, by that times it could already ended, and you will just said, i tried but they ended it already. why not go now. no, you don't really want to fight because you would had gone already, and i believe that you are using collage as an excuse not to fight and than lie about how you wanted to go after college but they ended it already so you couldn't join. that is what coward do. but hey, if you are a coward, just said so. if youdon't want to die for your country just said so, there is no shame in it. oh, and don't use college as an excuse by not joining and than lied about how you wanted to join afterward but it already ended.
just be honest here. 23 senator and 132 representative voted against using military authorization, not declare war. and, yes, the inspector did went in, and there were no wmd. stop with the right wing talking point and distortion. and if i recall, saddam was supported by the chickenhawk neoconservative while he was in office. no, you don't really want to fight for your country, that is why you are lying about joining. you using college as an excuse not to fight and than when it end, you will lie and use the ending of the invasion as an excuse for not fighting for your country. it is always someone else fault, college or the end of the invasion in the future that pervented you from fighting.
even bush said there were no connection between iraq and terrorist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-c8Bf8LWWk
the hijacker were saudi arabian and there government just got rewarded with 20 million worth of arms:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
bin laden are saudi arabian:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
the only thing low is you using the college as an excuse to hide your cowardness to fight for your country. you lie about the senator/representative that voted against the invasion of iraq, and use right wing talking point, you couldn't even be honest about history. the only you had is right wing talking point and they don't even add up, especially when the hijacker were saudi arabian. and that country that got rewarded with 20 million dollars worth of arms. i got my proof, where is yours?
Oh my God you give me a headache. If it's not you horrible grammar and spelling, it's the fact that no matter what I say you twist it around and attack it. You didn't answer any of my questions, just came up with your own garbage. I'm done with this conversation. I will not stand by while you personally attack me. I know what is right and wrong, what I believe, and what I will ultimately do in the end. I'm not going to let some illiterate excuse for a person continue to bother me.
The end.