Why is God So Needy?

"We --his creations -- need him."

For what? Not in this world we don't. There is no proven benefit whatsoever for someone's belief in the Christian God compared to a complete atheist.

he next world? Fine. Prove it exists. Prove it's the Christian God that is responsible for it. What? you can't? Well then why should everyone accept one story over another?

"The Bible is full of prophesy"

Which has had a dismal track record. Do some research. Most of the remaining ones that people wait for are of course the very vague generalizations of gloom and doom that can and will be pigeonholed to fit any natural disaster that might happen to the earth at some point. Big deal.

Think about it. Why did he make Adam in the first place? Cause he/she was lonesome, wanted someone to talk to. and then god made man in his own image. Even looks like him. And my theory on the woman, he goofed and realised that in Adam he only created part of himself. Don't we say today that men have their fem. side?

Karen G

"God is needy because we were (edit:created) for companionship with him"

This consequently IS the only thing that makes sense in relation to this question. Still, the numerous references to God needing hundreds of trivial sacrifices and insignificant offerings would have to be the priests made-up control tactics. I have no doubt that even IF the Bible is inspired and possibly correct in the essence of God as creator, that many things listed as history are human derived cultural laws set down by the priests. Far too many contradictions. Especially from God's own words.

"He still gives you PLENTY!!! of times to accept him as your Lord and Saviour and it is by faith that you would follow."

Sure we all have plenty of time, but what about plenty of evidence? What about an actual appearance? Something that demonstrates a supernatural force beyond our physical world that actually PROVES that there is something beyond the obvious? Without that, we still have NOTHING of importance. The Bible? The Bible isn't important one whit. Why would it be? What's the difference between the Bible and the Koran? The Bible and the teachings of Buddha? The Bible and the Greek Myths? The Bible and the Norse myths of Odin and Thor? What about Egyptian gods like Set and Osiris?

People don't need time, they need REASON to believe. Saying you should "just have faith" because you youself have cherry-picked a specific religion that has no more supporting evidence behind it then any other is irrational.

Wouldn't it be better to pick NO religion and just live life like a good human being that is focused on what we actually KNOW exists? The here and now? If people would just live in this world fully and stop trying to project their wishes on what might come after, we might actually turn the Earth into a really good place to inhabit.

If God is REALLY there and it is SO important for human beings to learn about his existence and our potential destination after death, then I'm sure he can and will use his omnipotent powers to contact us. Who cares about 2000 years ago? They are all dead. The only people that matter are the ones living today and our future generations. If it's important for everyone to know something, then it should be shown to everyone personally. If it isn't then it obviously isn't that important is it?

"So that way when everyone is judged...you can't say WHY?"

Sure you could if that kind of simplistic thinking was actual reality. I could say it quite easily and VERY justifiably. There are millions of people who have died that have never heard of the Christian God or Jesus Christ. There are little kids that have been killed and never been indoctrinated in the faith. There are millions of atheists that quite sensibly have no belief in the supernatural because they have never seen reason to believe it exists. Why should they be punished? Why should ANYONE believe in something you can't evidence? It's the very definition of delusional.

The bottom line is this. The disciples and the people at the time of Jesus did not have faith. They did not just believe for the sake of believing. If the story happened as we generally know it, then they actually SAW supernatural activities. They had a REASON to believe. What made them so damn special? Why do they get a get into heaven free card just because they KNEW there was something out of the ordinary? That's not fair, that's favouritism.

"why did he create people to go to hell?"

He didn't. His people chose to reject him and go to Hell on their own.

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"I just don't get this, Jesus dies on n the cross to forgive us of our sins, so now Christians interpret that to mean that its okay to sin because we just have to ask for forgiveness and we'll get it?"

I could say a great deal on this topic actually...

I am currently an agnostic, but I was a firm believer before in Christianity although from a viewpoint that was in many respects Gnostic, but more fleshed out and sensible from the person reputed to be the "sleeping prophet" Edgar Cayce. Regardless of the few attempts to debunk him that are full of inaccuracies of his work and history, he still stands out to me as a genuine psychic that has a huge contribution towards humankind in his stenographically recorded 14,000 + readings he left behind after his death in 1944. Study his work and story in DEPTH yourself and you'll see a genuine, good man who gave up his life and health to help other people up until the end.

So in any case even though I am open minded enough to remain undecided on the truth, his explanation of Christianity and truth is the only sensible and all-inclusive schematic that works in my opinion. So in the question you asked above, it makes perfect sense with the entire explanation.

Here goes:

From the philosophy of the readings, (and partially the early sect of Christianity knowns as Gnosticism), humankind were NOT created to be earthbound humans. We were created as souls first and eventually became entrapped in the Earth by playing around with creation outside God's plan. This resulted in souls losing their connection to God, their "awareness" of their spiritual nature and becoming entrapped into the physical world of cause and effect and the laws of physics.

The remaining souls that remained in the spirit, decided to come in and help save the souls trapped in the earth. This is referenced to as the "angels" that found the daughters of men fair. You can guess what happened next...they fell too.

Jesus (according to Cayce) was the entity Adam, and he purposefully fell in order to entrap himself into the earthbound universe the souls were inhabiting. This was in order to help them return to God and some things had to be done.

First, he (along with God), influenced the primates of the earth through their glandular systems and basically helped an offshoot of them supernaturally "Evolve" into the bodies that humans could inhabit. God was now taking an active role in altering the earth so it could only be entered through the natural forms of procreation of a man and woman human being once the bodies were suitably altered for mans indwelling. This conveniently explains and harmonizes evolution because the bodies of man WERE actually primates before the offshoot of man, but this was an unusual and divine form of intervention that was done to meet the needs of existing conditions. In other words, man was never MEANT to inhabit the earth as three dimensional humans beings.

See before this, souls were coming into the earth as sometimes insubstantial thought-forms or projecting themselves into animal and mineral formations that were sometimes monstrosities. Playing around with creation basically.

In fact according to Cayce, at that time creatures like the sphinxes, Centaurs and other mixtures of animal shapes and sizes were reality and this is where these legends arise from. They literally had places like temples devoted to surgically removing scales and feathers and other animal influences from these mixed forms along with music and other forms of spiritual practices and meditations that over the centuries helped purify the remaining bodies. Once this was done, all souls were now being born into the earth only through the now suitable human race and the bodies of man are unique in that even though they are technically animal in origin, they also are able to access our soul through the chakras of the body that are representative in the glandular system. Especially the major 7.

As an aside, according to Cayce the Revelation of John is a metaphorical description of EXACTLY what happens to the soul/body during the process of shedding the material and awakening to the God spirit within us as demonstrated by Jesus the Christ. The 7 churches are the seven chakras. Anyway, that's another huge topic.

So to sum up this entire point, returning to God through this material manifestation of humankind was always POSSIBLE, but never actually DONE until Jesus did it. See once entering the earth as a three dimensional entity, the souls were bound by the laws of such a system and have to go through the cycle of Karma and reincarnation until they break free by awakening to the Christ Consciousness.

See the "Christ" is the PATTERN that is set as the way to return to God that was actually done by Jesus and therefore once it was done by him, it is now imprinted on the soul memory of everyone and it only has to be followed. This is the reference to only through Jesus can you return to God. He set the pattern and this is the only path to follow now. He did it for us. He "died" for our sins and therefore the karmic situations are paid for as to our eventual return. Not that God was deliberately creating a "balance" that we owed him, but laws were created in the beginning, and because of our OWN free will, he cannot interfere without our active help. IF we awaken to his presence and follow his ways, then we are by our own free will allowing him to actually communicate and help us and therefore we can overcome the law of cause and effect by invoking the Law of Grace. This is why (according to Cayce again), God does so obviously little in the direct ways of our lives. He CAN'T. By creating us as separate companions with him to be part of the whole yet individual, we are in essence LIKE God and we separate ourselves from him by our actions and thoughts. As Cayce said once, even God cannot save someone who doesn't want to be saved.

So that's a basic overview there. A lot more complicated isn't it? :)

Obviously this is not even remotely accepted by major churches these days but according to Cayce this was known and followed by a great deal of the early churches including all of the apostles, but they dumbed it all down figuring people would not understand it and they went for scare tactics for obediance. In fact the Gospel of Judas just translated is very much in line with this type of Gnostic thought. It's one of the reasons the church doesn't recognize it. Same with the Gospel of Thomas. I believe it is also a definitive form of Gnosticism that the churches didn't like.

In any case, this is STILL no more proven or evidential then the typical forms of Christianity, so it's just a story without further corroboration. However it makes a LOT more sense to me and I could actually see that being a workable scheme that doesn't contradict reality as we know it.

"For example, what about dinosaurs? What about Cave Men? We know they existed We have remains people don't you think something as important or as amazing as dinosaurs would have been mentioned in the Bible. Plus whats up with two contradicting creation stories in the same Bible?"

http://www.drdino.com explains dinosaurs from a biblical point of view, and evolution as well from the biblical view.

There are passages in the old testament that talk of great creatures roaming the land. If the Bible is true, and man and animals lived in harmony up until the time of the flood, then dinosaurs and man would have co-existed.

And, where does it not point out people lived in caves in the bible? There was a man posessed of a demon that Jesus freed, livinging naked in the hills and caves outside of a town. Hmmm....cave man...yup. I do not see how, just because the Bible doesn't use the term dinosaur and cave man you can miss their mention, stories and existence in there, unless you have never fully read the bible for your self.

"f it was plain and simple or more like and instruction book then I wouldn't have a leg to stand on, but its not and no one can argue with that." It is an instruction book. The prable of the fig tree is one of my favorites. Or what about roots. Having roots in rocks, sand and firm soil. Which one is better? He points out that is where the Christian should be rooted, the good soil, aka the Word.

"And whats with this idea of infinite forgiveness because Jesus died for our sins? This is a really beautiful Idea I must say, but do you think one death makes up for the number of sins committed everyday just by Christians? I just don't get this, Jesus dies on the cross to forgive us of our sins, so now Christians interpret that to mean that its okay to sin because we just have to ask for forgiveness and we'll get it? So whats stopping the old criminal setting on his death bed from just saying God I believe, I was wrong I want your forgiveness? Most Christians in this country still support the Death Penalty, doesn't this Idea of forgiveness cause problems here?"

Ummm....well, Jesus became sin for us, and it was not a simple one death. The resurrection 3-days later is what makes it real, that and the 500 plus witnesses that seen him alive that had seen him hang on the cross. The deciples who had fellowship with him and see his hands healed, his side where he was peirced healed.

And yes, someone on death row can pray a prayer asking Jesus to save them, and if it is sincere, truthful and honest, it is sealed unto forever. Forgivness from God is not forgiveness on this earth, that is temporal forgiveness. God's forgiveness comes in eternity, to be multiplied forever. You can be saved and sin unto death. Ouch....that's a truth that people love to throw up...why would God kill people if he loved them...well, they are saved by soul, not by flesh. There is a bit of a difference there.

And no, salvation is not a free license to sin, and any Christian who uses it as such is a hypocrite. Doesn't mean they are dumped off into Hell though.

Why? Forgiveness only comes from belief. You have to believe that Jesus was the only begotten Son of God, that he was crucified for the wrongs of the world, from start to finish, that he rose the third day and ascended up to the right hand of the Father where he sits today waiting for His time to come back. Then you must acknowledge that no man is without sin, and that this sin is what made Christ sacrifice himself for us, out of love. Then you ask Christ to be your "personal" savior....to save you from your sins....not anyone elses, not the worlds, just yours alone...and you repent of that sin. Repent means you come to despise the sin just as God despises it. You step away from it and do not return back to it. Repentance is Godly sorrow, sorrow that comes from the deepest of deep in the human soul that cannot be shaken that makes you want to curl up and die type of sorrow. If you ask for salvation, and you never experience this sorrow when you sin, you oughtta verify that salvation.

Then you tell others and try to spread God's word as fruit of salvation. Salvation of the soul, not the temporal fleshly earth bound body.

Anyways....each to their own....we all die in the end anyways right?

~~~~Ideas and ten cents change in a poor economy can buy you the world.

"As for your points about cavemen being in the bible umm when cave men where alive Christianity hadn't even been thought of!"

When creation is made, and man is made on day 6, then yeah man existed from the beginning. But only if you believe the Biblical creation story.

"As for the people living with the dinosaurs, umm I don't think there would have been time to tell stories they would be too busy not getting eaten."

Before the flood, man ate no meat, and animals ate no meat. The vegans would have loved to lived in that time. Again, only if you believe in the Biblical history of the world, which puts the world at 6000-8000 years old, not millions....or billions. When I was younger in school it was a couple hundred million, you ever notice about every 5-10 years they add a couple hundred more million on to the theory?

"I like your mentioning that the bible is an instruction manual. Your the first person I've met that felt that way, so did you cut off your right hand the first time you masterbated?"

Did you poke out your eye ball the first time you seen a hot girl, before you masturbated? "If they right eye offends thee, pluck it out." --of course that is old testament law, after Christ came the age of grace so the law is not abiding any more.

~~~~Ideas and ten cents change in a poor economy can buy you the world.