You hear all this stuff about how they aren't criminals, and they should be allowed to stay. First off, if you break the law you are a criminal. I don't care that they are here if they follow the same laws and attempt to get citizenship. The first law is taxes, they must pay the same taxes, citizens have to, and on the same time frame. They have to realize that the rights set forth in the Constitutions DO NOT apply to them since they are not citizens. If they are caught breaking laws, they will be prosecuted, and at the end of their sentence, deported back to their country of origin.
If we were to give them citizenship, they would all vote democratic, hence eliminating the republican party. I don't care how bad you think republicans are, a minimum of a two party system is the only way a democracy can function. Without it, you end up with dictators such as Hitler, or Mussolini.
What aggrevates me more, are the illegal aliens that hold the demonstrations. First, they have no 1st ammendment right. Second, if they don't like the way the Government is treating them, there's a free shuttle back.
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Wow. Just...wow. Your carelessly disguised racism boggles my mind.
If we were to give them citizenship, they would all vote democratic, hence eliminating the republican party. I don't care how bad you think republicans are, a minimum of a two party system is the only way a democracy can function. Without it, you end up with dictators such as Hitler, or Mussolini.
First: not true. Sure, many would vote democrat, but many would not. Either way it's not going to eliminate the republican party. I suspect that if they were all going to vote republican, you'd probably be all over it and not even remotely concerned with the democrats.
Also, in your attempt to make a point, you violated Godwin's Law. Come up with a more relevant comparison.
What aggrevates me more, are the illegal aliens that hold the demonstrations. First, they have no 1st ammendment right. Second, if they don't like the way the Government is treating them, there's a free shuttle back.
Oh no! People holding demonstrations? Brown people holding demonstrations!? Call out the water cannons and the state police, it's the early 60's again!
You're right that they're here illegally, and they shouldn't be. It is a crime to be here illegally. But your motivation doesn't seem to be a concern for the law. It seems to be that you don't like hispanic people because you fear change.
Grow up.
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They wander through the streets, wreaking havoc among the good people. Mindless denizens that do not listen to reason or the plights of the victims. As they walk you can hear them moaning "Raaaaaciiiiisiiiiiiim".
While I do not think that all the interlopers would vote Democratic it is obvious that the blog has nothing to do with race. You are creating a monster where you want to see one. That is prejudice and hatred.
Grow up.
I'm not going to touch the first one, because it is just a waste of space. This a serious topic not to be plagued with you bizarre delusions.
While I do not think that all the interlopers would vote Democratic it is obvious that the blog has nothing to do with race. You are creating a monster where you want to see one. That is prejudice and hatred.
First of all, I like how you referred to them as interlopers. I think that's the best term for this topic, I have heard.
I agree 100% on the statement "...it is obvious that the blog has nothing to do with race." But let me get my list out for the rest...
1. I went back over my original post, and I agree. I used "all". There are exceptions to everything. However an overwhelming majority will vote democrat, On my rebuttal to the first comment, I did a math problem on the percentages of democrat to republican, adding illegal aliens into the mix.
2. Have you turned on CNN lately. Under no stretch of the imagination, am I creating anything.
3. It is not prejudice, because it is not irrational.
4. Hatred... Its not so much hatred as a hostility towards the interlopers
"Wow. Just...wow. Your carelessly disguised racism boggles my mind."
First of all, it is not racist. I don't care who you are, what you've done, or even the color of your skin, if you are not here legally, you are a burden on society that should not be tolerated. It is not careless either. Definition of Careless Careless would be not caring that they come over here, because they have problems in their country (last time I checked that is running away from your problems).
First: not true. Sure, many would vote democrat, but many would not. Either way it's not going to eliminate the republican party. I suspect that if they were all going to vote republican, you'd probably be all over it and not even remotely concerned with the democrats.
Lets start on with a math lesson. For arguments sake, we will say there are 500 republicans, and 500 democrats. That would 50% on either side. Say there is 500 illegal aliens that get to vote. If (a generous) 90% of them (450) vote democrat, it will make it 550 republicans (36%) and 950 democrats (63%). But wait, if the people that haven't come here, see that the people that have, get voting privileges, what's to stop the rest of them. So lets add another 1000 that have come across the border since. Again a 90% democrat would make 650 republican (26%) and 1850 democrat (74%). More and more will come and hence eliminating the republican party.
"Also, in your attempt to make a point, you violated Godwin's Law. Come up with a more relevant comparison."
I have not violated Godwin's Law, because first he had stated that the comparison is inevitable. Furthermore, he aimed it at people using it to end the discussion. I made no attempt to end it, rather to start it!
"Oh no! People holding demonstrations? Brown people holding demonstrations!? Call out the water cannons and the state police, it's the early 60's again!"
I never stated anything about "Brown people". I objected to illegal aliens holding demonstrations. Illegal aliens are not limited to Hispanics. It is simply someone who is in this country illegally. By holding demonstrations, they are making our lives more difficult when they have no right to be here whatsoever.
"You're right that they're here illegally, and they shouldn't be. It is a crime to be here illegally. But your motivation doesn't seem to be a concern for the law. It seems to be that you don't like hispanic people because you fear change."
You are right, but not in the sense you were aiming for. I fear the change to an extremely corrupt government, such as that in Mexico. I fear the change to the time where we have to pay more in taxes, than we take home at the end of the day. I fear war with Mexico. I FEAR CIVIL WAR.
The first part of this is my enraged response to you. The second part is my reasoned opinion. To help you find it, I'll bold the first couple of words.
You fear. You fear the Mexicans. To me, that sounds racist. The tone you're projecting isn't "Let's have a rational dialogue about illegal immigration," it's "OMG teh mexicans are coming hide the womens!!!"
You're whole voting scheme assumes that illegals can vote, which they can't, since they don't have citizenship papers. And even if they did, your assumptions are wildly paranoid and delusional. Yeah, delusional: you're hallucinating an unlikely occurrence based on your own paranoia. You feel under attack by hispanic people for no rational reason. You're so scared that you're actually afraid that one of the two pillars of American democracy will crumble? If the GOP falls it will be because people like Bush have so badly damaged its reputation, not because a few immigrants vote Democrat.
And your concern about their demonstrations seems to have no grounding in reality. Tell me: exactly how have their demonstrations inconvenienced you or made your life more difficult? Have you been forced to look at their scary visage on TV, or were you one of the LAPD cops who pulled a muscle beating them in the streets?
As far as your fear of war with Mexico, I don't think it would be much of a problem; they're not exactly a world-renowned military power. And God help the Mexicans that try to revolt in a place like Texas...it would be a bloodbath.
That concludes my enraged ramblings. If you would like to have a discourse about illegal immigration, I'll put my positions out there for you: they're here illegally and they should be deported, regardless of how much they've worked or how much of a life they have established here. The simple fact is: they're illegal and they need to go. Maybe if we made it a little easier for them to come here legally and get processed into the system, then there wouldn't need to be all of this ruckus about them.
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To your enraged response, here is my rebuttal
"You fear. You fear the Mexicans. To me, that sounds racist. The tone you're projecting isn't "Let's have a rational dialogue about illegal immigration," it's "OMG teh mexicans are coming hide the womens!!!""
I don't fear Mexicans. I don't fear illegal aliens... I fear the effect the illegals have on our society.
"You're whole voting scheme assumes that illegals can vote, which they can't, since they don't have citizenship papers."
On my original post, I phrased it "If we were to give them citizenship..." I never said they can vote. I added that because some are pushing amnesty, which would allow voting.
"If the GOP falls it will be because people like Bush have so badly damaged its reputation, not because a few immigrants vote Democrat."
When I did that math problem, I used 50/50 for the Americans, to avoid interference by that issue. All those additional percentages were calculated with the addition of illegals voting, with 90% voting democrat.
"And your concern about their demonstrations seems to have no grounding in reality. Tell me: exactly how have their demonstrations inconvenienced you or made your life more difficult? Have you been forced to look at their scary visage on TV, or were you one of the LAPD cops who pulled a muscle beating them in the streets?"
I live in Phoenix, AZ. When they hold the demonstrations, they have to close down streets that they are taking. These streets aren't small portions of minor roads, they are miles upon miles, of major roads, most of which divide the city in two. If you have to go to school, or work, and you do not make it across before they close them down, you do not, you cannot, go to work or school or whatever, for the rest of the day.
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"As far as your fear of war with Mexico, I don't think it would be much of a problem; they're not exactly a world-renowned military power. And God help the Mexicans that try to revolt in a place like Texas...it would be a bloodbath."
As funny as the imagery of that thought when it came in to my head was, it still would be a problem. I don't think Iraq was ever a "world-renowned military power". Look where we are at today.
In your second part, you said...
"Maybe if we made it a little easier for them to come here legally and get processed into the system, then there wouldn't need to be all of this ruckus about them."
Why should we have to lower our standard for them. We have those standards so not just anybody can walk on it. The problem is not our standards, it is enforcement of those standards.
To me the piece sounded not hysterical and panicked but concerned and reasoned. It also seemed a little bitter and angry but I am too given how our representatives are handling the situation.
I do not think F4T would like to discuss illegal immigration, since the term is an oxymoron along the lines of "unwanted inviteds". However I do think he would like to discuss interloping.
And you know Godwin's Law. That's cool, but I don't think it is meant to be taken seriously.
I know Godwins Law. It's not a "serious" law, but it does make an excellent point: people are often far to quick to compare someone to Hitler without actually thinking about what they're saying.
Perhaps we're reading the post differently. I'll stick to my initial reaction, but F4T did change my initial impression with his responses.
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When I posted that, I wasn't actually talking about them, I was talking about the conditions that lead to them coming in to power. Obviously it included civil unrest about the country's problems, which is existent in the USA today.