Terrorists make me sick. Absolutely sick. And they should make you furious too. Perhaps you do not understand how messed up the Islamo-fascist movement is. Maybe you should get a better understanding of it. Remember the first WTC bombing? The one that happened in the WTC underground parking lot. The one that the President of the
United States of America did NOTHING about? Yes, that was also Al Qaeda and Bill Clinton did nothing about it. Do you remember the bombing of the USS Cole? Bill Clinton’s response….silence. So we should have seen it coming.
9/11 was not, I repeat WAS NOT the first attack against the
U.S. or other parts of the world by radical Islamic murderers. There were dozens more beforehand and George Bush was just the first man to take a stand against it, to protect our people and this great nation that we live in.
Do you remember the images from when the towers fell? The footage of people jumping from the buildings? Maybe you think it was just some dream, or better yet a movie right? WRONG. Terrorists walked right into our country, got drivers licenses, pilot’s licenses, hijacked planes and killed nearly 3,000 of our fellow citizens. Men, women, and children. How did that make you feel?
Pretty damn mad.
If you felt that maybe WE were to blame…then YOU are out of your mind. But that’s what insane liberals like Ward Churchill want you to believe… that the towers were a legitimate target and that the terrorists were not terrorists at all, but brave men standing for their cause. People like this need to be thrown out of the
U.S. People like that are insane. If you don’t throw them out, then at least throw them into a mental institution.
If you still aren’t mad about terrorism. If you still do not support the War on Terror. Better yet if you are one of those insane persons who has a bumper sticker that says “George Bush is a terrorist” then maybe you should take a better look. Go to www.Michaelsavage.com and watch the videos of terrorist slaughtering innocent people. I’ll wait here while you get a taste of reality. And if these videos do not open your eyes then you may not have a soul.
So what are the radical Islamic hordes trying to do? Well, this is their message: Either convert to Islam or Die. They are intolerant, they are murderous, they are today’s Hitler and Nazi Germany and they must be stopped. Still don’t believe that these insane fundamentalists are trying to take over the world?
Here is some information about their “teacher” and the creator of Islam: Muhammad, and his so-called “teachings”…
Islam claims that Muhammad was “without sin”…well let’s take a look at his life:
Muhammad’s first wife was a much older and extremely rich business woman. Once she died he started marrying tons of women. Even though Muhammad drew the line at 4 wives for followers he himself had between sixteen and twenty-two wives. This estimate does not include concubines. His youngest wife Aisha was 6…let me repeat that: his youngest wife was 6 years old. When Muhammad was 54 years old he ended his marriage with Aisha who was then 9.
There are also 2 versions of the Koran. The fundamentalist version and the more tame English translated version that covers up the madness. Gee…I wonder why. The Koran states that it is okay to beat women: Koran, Surah 4:34 “As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them…” From the fundamentalist version of the Koran come many horrific verses and followers.
One Fundamentalist Abu Hamza al-Masri urges Muslim women “to breed children for the purpose of creating suicide bombers.” Muhammad’s teachings showed his great hatred for women. He wrote, “I was shown the hellfire and the majority of its dwellers were women.”
Here are some other verses:
“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” (Koran 8:12)
“So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite their necks until you have overcome them.” (Koran 47:4)
“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror”
(Bukhari Vol. 4, Bk. 52, No.220)
“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us’” (Tabari IX:69)
Nicholas Berg Daniel Pearl, Paul Johnson, Kim Sun-Il, Eugene Armstrong, Raja Azad, Sajjad Naeem, all of them were decapitated by Islamic terrorists.
And according to Muhammad and radical Islam 72 virgins await those who die in the service of Allah. That’s right, the bastards who took down the world trade center believed that they would go to Heaven and get to have sex with 72 naked virgins. By now you should probably be asking yourself, “What kind of religion is this?!?!”
Here’s a short TRUE story about a horrific event that occurred in 2004 compliments of Michael Savage’s recent book:
“ Nineteen-year-old Javid Anjum suffered electric shocks to various body parts, a fractured arm, smashed fingers, lacerations all over his body, and – did I mention – his nails had been pulled out. His crime?
In April 2004, Javid, a university student in
Pakistan, was traveling to his grandfather’s house when he got thirsty. He saw an outside water tap and took a drink. When confronted, he made the mistake of mentioning that he was a Christian to several Muslim seminary students (yes that’s right seminary students) who had accused him of stealing. The Muslims immediately dragged Javaid into their seminary where they tried to convince him through 5 DAYS of torture to renounce his faith and embrace Islam, the religion of peace.
Evidently, Javaid didn’t feel the love.
After they were done torturing Javaid, they dumped him off at the police station, charging him with theft. The police, seeing his many wounds and contusions, permitted his family to take him to the hospital. Javaid died there from two failed kidneys shortly after making a statement about the way he had been treated. GET THIS. No police action was taken against the Muslim torture squad! But wait, there’s more. The chief constable in charge of this miscarriage of justice said it was “God’s will for Javaid to die as he did”
Here’s another one:
“In may 2004, Muslim youths bearing machetes and clubs slaughtered upwards of 600 Christians in
Nigeria. These Islamic holy rollers burned a dozen churches, while torching houses with families trapped inside. Among the dead Christians were children. One eyewitness confirmed that “the bodies of pregnant women were ripped open and their bodies burned” Within days of the rampage, some 30,000 residents of
Kano, mostly Christians, were run out of town.”
Some History:
In the year 632 Islam took over Jerusalem, in 642 Alexandria, Carthage in 670, and
Spain in 711. All were taken with swords and violence, not preaching. They were finally stopped by the Christian Crusaders.
So if you aren’t pissed by now, and if you do not support George Bush’s War on Terror yet…then like I said before: You do not have a soul. And here’s some more craziness that you would probably agree with:
The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) which is a hard left liberal group that is anything but civil and could care less about many people’s liberties claims that it is unfair for airports to do intensive profiling on Middle Eastern people of the Islamic faith. They say it’s “racist”. Well I think it’s pretty damn smart. Lets run through a few things that they seem to have missed:
ALL 19 of the hijackers on 9/11 were radical Islamic men. None of them were Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Hindus, Mormons, New-Agers, or Jains. All of the terrorists in the Spain subway bombings were radical Middle Eastern Islamic killers, and the same goes for the recent
London bombings.
The ACLU would rather be “fair” and let a few terrorists sneak on again than hurrrrt someone’s feeeelingssss. GET REAL.
California-
First off, your writings assume that the reader is a believer in god, let alone a Christian. Second, for every purported tale of Islamic fundamentalism you speak of, there are many instances in history where Christians inflicted atrocities on non-Christians (see the Crusades). Contemporary world events also illustrate that religious fundamentalism transcends religion specific-groups, and occurs all over the globe (see the Congo, the African continent, and European imperialism/evangelism). Though i classify myself as agnostic, i was born into a Protestant family. I have no affinity towards Islam, nor do i accept the Christian doctrine (whatever that is). However, i do live in a region that is heavily populated by Middle Eastern people (Detroit), and i resent that you so easily stereotype Muslims as these fanatical religious fundamentalists. Not to mention, we have here a huge Chaldean population (Christian Iraqis), who also do not act in the manor in which you portray Arabs. Also, i must point out that GW Bush is as close to a Christian fundamentalist as one can get. And he is our "commander in chief". Sad but true...
And who funded Al Qaeda in its infancy? None other than YOUR government. They were called "freedom fighters" back then, because they were our allies against Russia. We pumped money and resources to them (indirectly, through Pakistan), they fought communism and simultaneously promoted radical Islamic ideologies.
An analogous situation would be like this: A superpower government (let's say China) gives billions of dollars to Jerry Falwell to promote his agenda through violence. After decades of Falwell's rule, do you think our country would be much better than Afghanistan (the source of much Islamic fundamentalism, and home to much of Al Qaeda)?
That is true but the circumstances where a lot different than now. Would you have perfered American soliders fighting the Soviets in Afganistan instead of the Mujahadeen?
We're supposed to be the very picture of democracy, and as such, it is our duty to fund democratic movements, not to give money to people who are known violators of human rights.
It's fine to fault the terrorists themselves, because they have committed atrocious murders, and they should take responsibility for their actions. But at the same time, the US and its citizens needs to take responsibility for fueling Islamic radicalism.
Additionally, it's imperative to tease apart radical Islam from moderate Islam, and not to judge the religion by its most extreme members. (I doubt Christians want to be lumped together with Pat Robertson.)
The writing was guided towards radical islam. The quotes used were showing what they believe...AND I don't see why I am not allowed to criticize the Islamic teachings and main prophet... PEOPLE CRITICIZE CHRISTIANITY ALL THE TIME... but as soon as somebody says something negative about mohammad, or makes a cartoon that says that Muslims are violent Muslims IRONICALLY react to it by being violent.
we can't call them out on that?
I would LOVE, absolutlely LOVE to see how Muslims would react if there was a book and movie out that blasted their religion and its main footings like the Davinci Code does to Christianity.
Furthermore, when we were fighting agains Communism and the Soviet Union, I'm pretty sure that we did not think that bin Laden and the radicals would turn around and start attacking us.
The "Who funded al qaeda?" question is stupid
JUST BECAUSE YOU GIVE SOMEBODY (who was barely working with us) WEAPONS, does not make it our fault that they turn around years later and attack us and other innocent people. GIVE THE TERRORISTS SOME RESPONSIBILITY for THEIR ACTIONS.
How was my writing directed toward believers in God, and more so Christians?
Even if you think it is, why does that matter? A majority of people in the U.S. believe in God.
But we knew they were violators of human rights, and we gave them billions in military support anyway... are we not the least bit responsible for that? Suppose Pakistan gave millions in weaponry one of our resident extremist groups, the KKK, would we not hold them responsible?
Al Qadea was who we didnt directly support. We supported the Mujahadeen. A group who eventually split into two groups , one of those moderate the other extremist. That extremist group is Al Qadea.
The mujahadeen has always been extremist... I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. If you give weapons to fundamentalist maniacs, do you expect they're going to promote peace? It's reasonable to assume they're going to promote their extremist agenda through violence, and you're responsible for the predictable consequences of your actions.
But yes, there is a distinction between the names of the groups, and it is important to keep them separate, I suppose.
In order to say this, you would have to say that the KKK was just forming and not a full fledged terrorist group yet. Also, you would have to then say that the KKK would then, years later, go and attack Pakistan.
so are you saying that funding would be okay as long as they in turn don't attack the people that fund them.
But how do you tame that inferno of rage and power? Once you arm them, I see no practical way to keep them in control.
Right, this metaphor, like all others, breaks down at some point, because there are never two completely analogous events in history. Still, interesting comparisons can be made, if you don't get caught up splitting hairs.
I don't think I'm splitting hairs. Pick any group. say that there was a small and developing extremist group in the U.S. that Pakistan did fund to help its cause. 20 years later the group comes back and attacks Pakistan... How the hell can you predict that?
The thinking process of your post, is why we have wars at all. Your views are not progressive in nature so I don't really understand why you post here.
Nevertheless, your facts of one-sided and many of them wrong. Islam preaches peace and compassion. Much like Christianity does. Christianity has been used as a slogan for numerous acts of death and destruction. People are the problem. People who like your post, try to incite hate and fear. Terrorism is relative to who is terrorized. Ask the Iraqis who have died who that terrorists are. I don't think I have to humiliate you by listing the 'terror' the US has caused.
Frankly, I question the validity of the government's 9/11 story. You throw out that the 19 'hijackers' were all Muslims. It's weird how 7 of those 'hijackers' are still alive. Let alone the scientific anomalies that supposedly occured.
Since it seems you don't care if I "hurrrrt your feeeelingssss," please take your narrow-minded, Bush propaganda somewhere else. We're not stupid enough to buy your non-progressive BS.
"20 years later the group comes back and attacks Pakistan... How the hell can you predict that?"
I don't know...maybe use your brain.
Sounds like you enjoy believing in conspiracy theories. If you want to "progress" in your beliefs then my posting here cannot hurt you or others. Like I said before, my article refers to radical islam and looks at some basic beliefs/roots in Islam. The funny thing to me is that liberals love to protect Islam over other religions and Christianity always get blasted. How can you be progressive if you are living in the far far past? Radical Islam terrorism is what is happening today. Call me narrow minded all you want, the U.S. re-elected Bush (and yes, he may be less popular today, but polls by the mostly left-wing media are not trustworthy) Maybe you are in the minority. I do not agree with everything Bush does, but I guarantee you if Gore or Kerry were President they could have done the exact same things and taken far less flak.
The only conspiracy theory is the story the government is telling. And yes radical Christianity deserves to be blasted now and then. Left-wing media is BS made by whiny Republicans who once in a while get called out on their corruption. And please find me any poll that doesn't have Bush below 50%.
Thanks for responding to my 'conspiracy theory' about how nearly half the 'hijackers' are still alive. It shows me how much you really know what you're talking about. No point in researching anything when know it in your gut right?
You want another interesting fact about 9/11.
When Clinton had his sex scandel the Republican congress spent around $40 million dollars on the investigation. The same congress only spent around $3 million on the 9/11 investigation. Priority issue?
Your talking points are useless.
Mainstream media sounds conservative to liberals, and liberal to conservatives. When I listen to it, I hear only backwards, regressive thought... but I know this is a matter of my own perception.
The more important biases are the very pro-American, jingoistic sorts of ideologies. And sensationalism, reporting on stories without context... these are things that need to be looked at and criticized.
I think too, you touch on a very important issue. Gore or Kerry probably WOULD do similar things, because with regards to foreign policy, both democrats and republicans are strikingly similar ideologically. We have to demand a real alternative to this.
Explain to me how hijackers, who would have to be in airplanes which traveled at over 500 mph and crashed, are still alive?
you are claiming that hijackers are still alive...make sense
Hmmm....perhaps they were NEVER ON THE FREAKIN PLANE!
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/9-11/9-11_hijackers_still_alive.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm
It takes 0.15 seconds to figure that out.
Tell me how there were 19 hijackers again. Tell me how a titanium jet engine vaporizes in a fuel-fire.
Where's that poll that shows Bush above 50%? Any thoughts on why Congress decided the 9/11 investigation wasn't as important as getting Clinton impeached? Or does the truth not fit your agenda?
What does the investigation of 9/11 have to do with anything that I wrote?
Let's say that they did make an error in naming people.
YOU are still trying to say that our government was in on the 9/11 planning. THAT IS what I would call "believing in a conspiracy theory."
I never said anything about exact poll numbers, I just said that the media is biased and unfair toward Republicans. Your conspiracy theory views are in the minority.
The amount of money spent on an investigation does not equal the quality of an investigation.
Did you ever think that Maaaaybe there were already existing organizations such as the FBI and CIA that ALREADY have the job to investigate such things and THEREFORE, maaaaybe the government didn't have to use more money to investigate because it is ALREADY the paid JOB of these people to do this. Nobody, save for Moussaoui had to be taken into an expensive trial, because the crime was obvious for everyone to see.
Clinton DID lie to the American People under oath...he prolonged the trial and investigation and thus made the price of the investigation go up.
9/11 conspiracy theories debunked: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y
Your arguments are completely illogical.
"Let's say that they did make an error in naming people." What? You aren't accepting facts?
It's easy to label anything contradictory to the White House's story as a "conspiracy theory." But it's only a matter of arithmetic. If something doesn't add up, then you question it. To not question is mere ignorance and stupidity. Why don't they release all the information? Why did it take 5 years to release security camera footage that they originally "never had?" Your little Popular Mechanics didn't answer my question. How does a titanium jet engine vaporize because of a fuel-fire? Explain that to me.
And this liberal media BS is really getting old. It doesn't work anymore. Please enlighten me on how Rupert Murdoch is a liberal or Jack Welsh. The thing Republicans don't like is reality, because it tends to trump their BS. The media unfair to Republicans? Yeah, when Hell freezes over.
"The amount of money spent on an investigation does not equal the quality of an investigation."
How lame is that excuse? Yes it does signify the quality. Do you not think the 9/11 investigation is worth that much? Perhaps you could tell me why Bush didn't want an investigation to begin with? Or why they won't allow for a public investigation? Who do you think investigated Clinton?
Why is this relavant? Well even though you try to keep your post about radical Islam, you attack Islam as a whole. Then you try to use 9/11 as an emotional prop to edge readers to believe in Bush's "War on Terror." You never refer to ANY Christian terrorism, nor how the Bush admin has been bombing woman and children. Terrorism is wrong, but the question is what does one regarded as terrorism.
Your post is nothing but illogical, racist propaganda. Racial profiling is wrong. It is racist. Timothy McVeigh was a white, radical "Christian," maybe we should profile all white christians too. Then there was Columbine, they were white. The guy who bombed the Atlanta Summer Olympics was white too. Maybe we should throw all the white christians into Guantanamo. Do you agree with those ideas? Your logic suggests you do.
Can't wait to hear how you vaporize titanium in a jet-fuel fire.
Ah 9/11 as an emotional prop. Just like United 93 and the new WTC movie. God don't we just love milking the cow?
Clinton and Bush lied. Everyone lies. It's not just one president who's at fault at this no matter how many people think otherwise. Our American government is a lot more confusing and intricate than that. There are people who outline agendas that takes years to take and this Iraq war is one of them. You have to remember that the government is also a business so they always have an incentive to do something and not to. Why go to war in Iraq? Oil? We need oil.
Right? Right. Why physically invade Iraq when North Korea boasts about their nukes? Right? Right. Our agenda isn't right, we've been fed the same crap from the past administrations. It's now the citizens' duty to step up and demand the truth.
"Let's say they did make an error in naming people."
I was saying that your arguement was beside the point, what does it have to do with what I wrote? How does naming people or not naming people impair what I wrote?
Why does it matter if and when they released a security tape?
"The amount of money spent on an investigation..."
Maybe re-read what I wrote after that again.
The unfortunate reality is that civilians to die in wars. Pick any war, civilians died. You make it sound like George Bush is looking for children and women, and then dropping bombs on them...this is probably why you think our government was behind 9/11.
I WROTE AN ARTICLE ON ISLAMIC TERRORISM, I know you liberals like to bash Christains and America, so right away you got mad that I didn't write about "Christian terrorism" or the "attrocities" committed by our horrible country and leaders. Do you ever get tired of hating America? Timothy Mcveigh was a terrorist, yes, and so were the others you listed. I'm sorry I didn't incluuuude the people that you dislike also. Radical Islam accounts for the majority of terrorism in the world today. Maybe from now on I should check with you and let you screen what I write so i'm not "racist" in pointing out facts.
***4 or 7 or however many of the 9/11 hijackers weren't on the planes? that's fine. Refresh my memory, tell me what the men who were on the planes all looked like, the region they came from, and the religion they followed.***
Jet engine being vaporized:
It was an airplane... people saw an airplane hit... unless you were there personally I wouldn't assume that engine parts weren't found as many other airplane parts were:
Flight 77 Debris
CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"
FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
So, maybe you think the Boeing 757 was flying without an engine? or maybe the government spread airplane parts on the pentagon crash site... either way, you are nuts.
You wrote an article on terrorism. You claim that terrorism makes you sick. But only Islamic terrorism? Not Christian terrorism, Jewish terrorism, American terrorism? Those you overlook or deny their existence.
"The unfortunate reality is that civilians to die in wars." Yes, it is unfortunate. But until Pearl Harbor and 9/11 it was a reality America happily ignored. You still ignore it. You pick and choose your reality. Parading the ones that give you influence and ignoring the rest.
Radical Islam does not account for the majority of terrorism, radical politics do.
Your "arguments" over other forms of terrorism and 9/11 play like a broken record. Your attacks are weak. You ignore half of my comments. You don't answer half of my questions. You just let the record spin and the platitudes fly. Do you think you look intelligent? Do you think your "Do you ever get tired of hating America?" is exceptionally clever? Because you come off as neither. Your research is wrong. You don't pose any profound statements. You deny proven statistical data and brush off anything that proves you wrong. I agree with you that terrorism is bad. I disagree with your misrepresentation of the Islamic faith and your choice to ignore other forms of religious fundamentalism, as well as radical politics, in your post about 'terrorism.'
And once again, they did NOT find the two twin-jet engines at the Pentagon. So tell me again, how is it that a titanium engine vaporizes by a jet-fuel fire? Hypothetically if you want, just explain how it is possible to vaporize titanium by a jet-fuel fire. I'll leave you alone if you can tell me how it's possible.
I'm sorry that you didnt like my title choice for this piece. I'll have you screen that too. ONCE AGAIN this was on Islalmic terrorism, I'm not going to make that any more clear in another reply, this is the last time. No, I do not think i'm "clever" I'm just stating the facts.
I "pick and choose my reality"
Once again, I'm sorry I didn't write about all of the the topics YOU wanted ME to include in my article, professor Churchill. I forgot that you always think that America is the problem, I'll keep that in mind next time.
I'll let you condemn America all you want, I hope you feel good to stand on your soap box and spout your conspiracy theories and your opinions. You must live a miserable life.
You didn't have any "facts," what world do you live in?
I dont care whether or not you cant sleep at night becuase they did or did not "find the jet engine." Deal with the fact that you believe in conspiracies and hate our government.
So, hypothetically if you want, tell me why you are so bitter, why you hate America, why you believe conspiracy theories so easily, why the American government would attack itself, why you have solid facts that there was no engine found or explanation, why you INSIST on talking about civilian casualties, conspiracy theories, and why I should care that YOU are huuuuuuuurrrrrrt that I didn't include your hatred for our country and Christianity in my writing.
Go hug a tree
I accept all of your apologies. I will look forward to you posts on Christian terrorism and how world superpowers support terrorism. I have no doubt that with your feelings about terrorism, that you will explore all different instances in which terrorism occurs.
I can point you in the right direction so you can get started. Try typing "chile september 11" in Google and see what you get. You should be alright from there. Welcome to reality!
I also suggest to invest in some common sense, maybe take a physics course. A simple physical science class would help you too. You see your definition of 'fact' is whatever like-minded people tell you. The information I have given you are numbers. My questions about 9/11 are based on science. Science tends to be very strong in facts and not in ignorance.
I guess I bring up what I do in hopes that you might look from the other point of view. Perhaps see something you haven't before. The inability to question is not something of which to be proud.
Don't all forms of terrorism make you sick? Or just Islamic terrorism?
I really don't expect you to care whether or not I can sleep at night. It would be extremly creepy if you did. I see no point in giving you sources. I could give you a hundred, but you would never recognize them. But my question stil remains. Outside of the 9/11 arena, how does titanium vaporize by a jet-fuel fire? I'm not talking conspiracy theories, I'm just talking chemistry here, just science.
I hug trees whenever I get the chance. It is one of my hobbies. You should really try it. It's nice to embrace reality every now and then.
Why was the rest of the plane there?
Prove that the engine was missing.
How many times do I have to tell you that I wrote about radical islamic terrorism which is the main terror group today? Christianity is not filled with a large number of people out to kill others for having different beliefs, however liberals are out to end any sort of religious expression.
I passed Physics and AP Physics with an "A" in each, I am going to graduate soon with an English Comm major, a Poli Sci major, and then go to law school.
Islamic terrorist groups:
Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
Ansar Al-Islam (AL)
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM)
Al-Qaida
Al-Jihad (AJ)
Gama'a al-Islamiyya (IG)
The Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC)
HAMAS
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
Hizballah
Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Tanzim Qa’idat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (QJBR)
Jemaah Islamiya Organization (JI)
Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT)
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
Lashkar I Jhangvi (LJ)
Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
15 May Organization
Jamaat ul-Fuqra
Al Ummah
a loosely grounded Algerian Terrorism group
I bet you would be hard pressed to find nearly as many Christian groups, or show that Christian terror groups are responsible for nearly as many terrorism deaths as Islamic radicals. Maybe that should be YOUR next writing assignment.
I find it more interesting to compare terrorist killings to the deaths caused by American foreign policy.
Well put your science expertise where your mouth is...how does titanium vaporize in a jet-fuel fire? In terms of you education, I could really care less. You could be going to clown school for all I care, it still doesn't change the fact that you wrong.
I can list Christian groups too:
Christian identity
Freedomites
Ku Klux Klan
The Order
Lord's Resistance Army
Nagaland Rebels
God's Army
Shall I go on...?
Did you look up "chile september 11" yet? Or are you too scared of what might come up?
Still waiting for the titanium explanation too Einstein.
Ha, you make me giggle.
Have you seen "Machuca"? It's a great film about Chile's September 11th... I highly recommend it.
Wow. Rabid Raging Moron. I think Californiarepublic missed the fact that there are lots of Peaceful muslims, just like not all Christians are slaughtering "heretics", and sniping doctors and killing people at random night clubs.
SPREADING THE WAR AGAINST TERRORISM TO A WAR AGAINST ISLAM
I also think the raging moron also missed the fact that instead of pursuing the real menice Osama Bin Laden, CaliforniaRepublic type thinking people spread the war to ANY Islamic country to justify pursuit of oil expeditions in Iraq. What assholes. What a disgrase to American blood and America the people. It is SICK that our Mission to End terrorism has been turned into a Profiteering expedition for Oil executives and their cronies! THAT IS SICK The exploitation of American Blood for the profits and power of the power elite is disgusting, and UnAmerican.
CaliforniaRepublic is a clear Tool of that whole system that exploits the blood of Americans for the profit of the Rich. Either he/she is one of the exploiting elites agents stabbing Americans in the back, or is someone that is truly a spoiled puppy of the elites. Whichever it is, CaliforniaRepublic is a sick pampered offspring of the Corrupt power elite that has sacrificed good American lives for money. and led us way off the trail of fighting the real menace of Osama Bin Laden.
Someone else sees through your facade CaliforniaRep.
BTW, are you religious CaliforniaRep? Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist?
You guys are absolutely crazy
Titanium and Chile...I'm waiting :).
Here's a good one. “Killing of people, in any place and with any kind of weapons, including atomic bombs, long-range missiles, biological or chemical weopons, passenger or war planes, carried out by any organization, country or individuals is condemned. ... It makes no difference whether such massacres happen in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Qana, Sabra, Shatila, Deir Yassin, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq or in New York and Washington.” --Ayatollah Ali Khamene’i, supreme jurist-ruler of Iran I am extremely offended by your shoddy critique of Prophet Muhammed, on him be peace, it is just plain wrong and not factual. First of all, his marriage to Khadija, 25 years older and businesswoman who proposed to him, lasted 25 years and he was monagomous during all these years, EXTREMELY uncommon in Arabia for the time. he didnt marry Ayesha at the age of 6, it was 9, and they didnt live together until after she reached maturity. she is one of the most important figures in Islamic history, having validated and narated countless Hadith. if you knew your biblical history, you would know that most prophets have had multiple wives. the commandment for 4 wives was received quite late in his life, and most of the marriages he had after Khadijia were to protect children from being orphaned in a backwards society of Arabia. which by the way, Islam does not tolerate abuse of women. in fact, over a millenium before america saw its womens rights movement, Islam introduced the idea of absolute equality, allowing women property rights, voting rights, marital rights, divorce rights, inheritance rights, etc etc. the prophet, on him be peace, was quite the feminist. islam, also way before the rest of the world , tooks excellent measures to abolish slavery, stop female infanticide, bond people in brotherhood, stop pointless warfare, promote progressive alms collection for the poor and hungry, house orphans, and harbor democracy. there arent 2 versions of the quran, there were 7 or so original versions that the prophet approved, the differences being no more than gramatical markers. the english translations are never viewed as the actual words of the quran, because translations are never 100% accurate, but they (there are tons of them) arent watered down from the arabic either, thats complete myth. 72 virgins, myth as well. your sources are out of context. the verses of the quran, like most other revelation given to most other prophets, was made at certain points in time, such as during a battle, where they now make sense in context and are not racist or extremist or violent at all. here is a verse that demonstrates the muslim attitude toward unbelievers - Say- You who reject Faith I worship not what you worship nor will you worship what i worship nor will i worship what you have worshipped nor will you worship what i worship to you your way, and to me mine. - Surrah al-Kafirun. do your research before you spout out nonsense and ridicule a religion
Here's a good one.
“Killing of people, in any place and with any kind of weapons, including atomic bombs, long-range missiles, biological or chemical weopons, passenger or war planes, carried out by any organization, country or individuals is condemned. ... It makes no difference whether such massacres happen in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Qana, Sabra, Shatila, Deir Yassin, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq or in New York and Washington.” --Ayatollah Ali Khamene’i, supreme jurist-ruler of Iran
I am extremely offended by your shoddy critique of Prophet Muhammed, on him be peace, it is just plain wrong and not factual. First of all, his marriage to Khadija, 25 years older and businesswoman who proposed to him, lasted 25 years and he was monagomous during all these years, EXTREMELY uncommon in Arabia for the time. he didnt marry Ayesha at the age of 6, it was 9, and they didnt live together until after she reached maturity. she is one of the most important figures in Islamic history, having validated and narated countless Hadith. if you knew your biblical history, you would know that most prophets have had multiple wives. the commandment for 4 wives was received quite late in his life, and most of the marriages he had after Khadijia were to protect children from being orphaned in a backwards society of Arabia.
which by the way, Islam does not tolerate abuse of women. in fact, over a millenium before america saw its womens rights movement, Islam introduced the idea of absolute equality, allowing women property rights, voting rights, marital rights, divorce rights, inheritance rights, etc etc. the prophet, on him be peace, was quite the feminist. islam, also way before the rest of the world , tooks excellent measures to abolish slavery, stop female infanticide, bond people in brotherhood, stop pointless warfare, promote progressive alms collection for the poor and hungry, house orphans, and harbor democracy.
there arent 2 versions of the quran, there were 7 or so original versions that the prophet approved, the differences being no more than gramatical markers. the english translations are never viewed as the actual words of the quran, because translations are never 100% accurate, but they (there are tons of them) arent watered down from the arabic either, thats complete myth. 72 virgins, myth as well. your sources are out of context. the verses of the quran, like most other revelation given to most other prophets, was made at certain points in time, such as during a battle, where they now make sense in context and are not racist or extremist or violent at all. here is a verse that demonstrates the muslim attitude toward unbelievers -
Say- You who reject Faith I worship not what you worship
nor will you worship what i worship
nor will i worship what you have worshipped
nor will you worship what i worship
to you your way, and to me mine. - Surrah al-Kafirun.
do your research before you spout out nonsense and ridicule a religion
eee sorry for the double post
You act as if America is blameless. Like the American military hasn't committed similar atrocities in the Middle East. Like in 1982 in Beirut when the American Sixth Fleet bombarded the city with rockets. As if we never supported the war between Iraq and Iran or the war between Iran and Kuwait. As if we don't support the Israeli army with American tanks and weapons. As if we didn't take the side of Kuwait against Iraq even though the Kuwaitis were side drilling into Iraqi territory and therefore breaking international law.
And your attack on Muhammed. As if Jesus was without sin. Ever read the book of Matthew? Jesus is a real asshole in that book. In fact, there isn't one of the seven deadly sins that Jesus doesn't commit in the bible. So don't go portraying Muhammed like a hypocrite when Jesus did the same. Unlike Jesus, Muhammed never claimed to be the son of God or even God himself. He was a human. He was a prophet. He wasn't sinless and he never claimed to be. Like Moses and Noah and Abram (later Abraham), he was just taking down and spreading the word of God as he was told.
--Mike
I agree with your America comments.
But I'm really now sure how you take Jesus as being an asshole in Matthew. Do you have something specific you're refering to?
Actually, there are a few incidents. The one I point to most often was in Matt 8:21-22
Matt. 10:34-36 also offers a direct contradiction to commandment number 5 (Honor your mother and you father)
He then continues to say (Matt 10:37-39)
When he was telling his disciples that he was going to Jerusalem and "suffer many things and be killed" (Matt 16:21). In Matt. 16:223-23:
Lastly, when Jesus is asked to heal an epileptic child who the disciples cannot heal, in Matt. 17:17
--Mike
Those are interesting passages no doubt. I don't think Jesus comes off as an asshole. I certainly not an expert but what I take from it is that faith and the following of Christ are above all things. That being living as Christ. That would be parallel to his views on wealth and possessions. I think that during the time, to follow Jesus would require such sacrifice, as it had its risks. Many converts at the time would have had to leave their families. I think that people themselves can be looked upon as objects, possessions (lust for example). Perhaps this is one thing Jesus warns against.
These are highly talked about passages and their meaning is often argued. I admit some would be taken aback but perhaps it was supposed to have that effect. I don't think he was being an asshole though.
Jesus, on him be peace, is a revered prophet in Islam as well (by the way californrepublican, the Prophet Muhammed, on him be peace, did not create Islam. Adam and Eve were the first Muslims, and there are verses suggesting that sincere Christians and Jews and any monotheists need not worry on the day of judgment).
In the Islamic tradition, Jesus, on him be peace, does not claim he is son of God, the worship of him was a fault in his followers who did not adhere to his message of monotheism, and the bible, written after the actual events and not by jesus, on him be peace, is altered. in addition, it fit nicely in combination with the plethora of roman cult traditions at the time.
but in any case, Jesus, on him be peace, isnt someone i would call an asshole so much as a man to be revered and whose teachings to follow. as far as prophets not having sin, as i understand it they dont once they are chosen to be prophets, but its not like they dont make mistakes, and there are nice hadiths illustrating that.
Oklahoma city bombing linked to Middle East
http://www.jaynadavis.com/media/interview.wmv
I'm with cali. If you are anti-american and or think america is bad get the fuck out. Protest if you like but don't be disrespectful to the dead. Most of you need an ass kicking and I'll be happy to do it. It's a free service I provide to better the American society. The world today is much more civilized then it was back during the crusades. Although christians did slaughter other non-christians we has a society have recognized it was wrong. The world has recognized that religious radicalism is wrong, so why haven't the towelheads? O that's right because it's ok to retaliate now hundreds of years later. I am not religious but yes generally muslims tend to be more radical. The kkk isn't radical anymore maybe some radical ideas but they don't blow shit up. My point is that everyone realizes radicalism is wrong (in blowing shit up). If you think 9/11 was a conspiracy how could you say that it wasn't a plane? Uhh fucking hello when a million people see a plane fly into a building I think just maybe a plane hit the building so fuck your dumbass missile theories. Don't bring intelligence into this as I am currently the top student in med school. It's hard to have an intelligent discussion when intelligence is absent either in the other side or the topic is lacking.
You are right; I agree with you. But you shouldn't get so violent...
Yea, those billion muslims do tend to be radical... perhaps you need some time off of med school to take a look at the real world. americans have some nerve dishing out the 'radicalism' and 'barbarism' to other people when it is AMERICA who perpetuates more death and destruction than any other government or group in this world.
Why is it that when the U.S. doesn't take action, liberals complain and blame America, and when we do take action, liberals complain and blame America? Maybe they just hate America.
Taking action when it should be is what we should be doing. But instead we take action when it isn't appropriate. DUH? Why the hell would we hate our own country? You just love your country in a stupid way.
When would it be appropriate to save the Iraqi people from genocide? Or how long should we wait until a country that has openly declared its hatred for the U.S. and who's leader paid suicide bombers to kill Americans and Israelis has nuclear capabilities?
Is that your judgement call...or our governments? Sometimes the right thing to do is not the popular thing to do. Especially when it comes to war.
The terrorists believe in what they do, and although I obviosly do not support them, American soldiers have killed way more innocent lives than these terrorists have. Al Queda killed about 3,000 Americans on September 11th, whereas the number of civilians in Iraq that we have killed through airstrikes or massacres (such as Haditha) ranges anywhere from 15,000-100,000. If you really thinks Bush's policies (construing the constitution, break tons of international laws, going into Iraq qithout UN consent, and killing of innocent civilians) are correct, YOU are the one who is insane.
Saddam killed way more people than you speculate our American soldiers did.
Do you have a number or are you just going to speculate?
The official Human rights watch figure is that 290,000 people are "missing" as a result of Saddam....not all dead....+ there was no imminent killings when we invaded Iraq...so why did we do it?
America has killed about 100,000 Iraqi civilans accoridng to independent reports.
Californrepublic, the fact of the matter is, yes, there are suicide bombers who are out there claiming that what they do is in the name of Allah and Islam. But those people are few and far between. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Most are simply trying to live, clinging to a dignity that the government is trying to shred.
Allah says in the Qur'an that suicide is a great sin, that one should only fight when they are being warred upon, and to never harm civilians. In fact, the Qur'an delineates one of the first sets of war-time rules, protecting women, children, civilians, and prisoners. It is a shame that these radical Muslims have twisted the peaceful words of Islam.
You must remember that all these terrible crimes have been commited by singular groups of people, not Muslims as a whole. And if Muslims are not speaking out loudly against them, it is because they fear retribution. Imagine, in a world where governments and media proclaim that Islam is a violent religion, what would happen to Muslims who proposed the opposite? They would be called terrorists. It would be said that they were trying to undermine the government. They would be written off as "haters of America." Can you imagine having to hide your religion to protect your family and livelihood? I know firsthand of the civil liberties that were denied to Muslims after 9/11. I also know firsthand how violent, angry Americans can strike at innocents when threatened. I do not necessarily blame them, but in a world that is fighting for equality, justice, and everything that is right, it is a terrible thing to witness a stereotyping that leads to pain for everyone involved.
Do not take the word "terrorist" lightly and do not pin it on any and all Muslims. That is ignorance at its best. Islam is, first and foremost, a religion of peace, that, if you look closely at, is not all that different from Judaism and Christianity.
So, hate these terrorists who call themselves Muslims. But do not hate Muslims. And hate the twisted religion that these terrorists invoke, but remember that this religion is not truly Islam.
And, also, Californrepublic, keep in mind that you are, in many ways, doing what the terrorists have done. You are isolating Qur'anic verses and pretending that the meanings of these verses alone truly represent the words of Islam. To understand the Qur'an you must read the Arabic, which is as peaceful in its beauty as it is in its teachings. Translations of the Arabic never do justice to the reality of the words set down so many years ago. Other translations of the same verses you decided to use in your anti-Islam propoganda have very different meanings. I am sorry that you came across a translation that is so violent in its nature, and I am sorry that you felt the need to plaster these desecrations on the internet. The Qur'an is all about context. The verses about war were revealed during wartime, wars that Muslims engaged in for their own survival, not to force prisoners to convert. And the Qur'an is immensely fair to women, as someone said before, granting them financial, marital, divorce, and business rights, etc etc. It has been people who violate the words of the Qur'an and make them aggressive.
If you are going to preach hatred, Californrepublic, remember that that is exactly what terrorists/fundamentalists do.