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People who come out against religion, especially those against Christianity, do not make sense. They say that they want Christians to not bother them about Christianity and everyone just to let live. But then as soon as Christians do let people live their own lives, then people complain that Christians are not active anymore. Also, people say that everyone should do what they think is right, but when Christians do what they think is right, then people get angry. In the Bible, it says people should tell about God. It is true, I think many Christian groups force religion down people's throats. Even though I am a conservative Christian, I am against this. But I do not see what is wrong with people saying how the Bible relates to modern day life and why Christian groups can not give help to society without anybody getting angry that they are doing it under a Christian banner.

Does it seem that I am rambling. It probably is, since I am new to blogging. But rather you are a religious person or not, one must stop to think about the two-faced policy that is being followed against the religious element of our society. Is it because people are not thinking widely?

I now live in South Korea. This is a country with many religions within it. There are the Buddhists, the Christians, the Catholics (I know, it is not a separate religion), the atheists, the Shamanists, the Confucionists (Not really a religion but a way of life), and more. But the religious struggle is almost absent in the country. People who are Christians pray at the dinner table and those who are not Christians allow them to do so. There is respect to people's thoughts and beliefs here.

I can not see why I should hide a prayer in America, supposedly a country that stands up for individualism and individual rights. Why can't I pray at a school lunch table without anyone feeling bad that they choose not to believe and I did? If one chooses not to believe, it is ok. If I ask that person if they want me to pray for them, all they have to say is they do not believe and let it be as that. I do not see what is wrong with that.

TUFFGONG's picture
Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

"People who come out against religion, especially those against Christianity, do not make sense."

Oh the irony....

"They say that they want Christians to not bother them about Christianity and everyone just to let live. But then as soon as Christians do let people live their own lives, then people complain that Christians are not active anymore."

No we don't. Have you been sniffing glue or something?

"In the Bible, it says people should tell about God."

Of course it does, as does the literature of any club that is trying to recruit members. It's called advertising.

"It is true, I think many Christian groups force religion down people's throats. Even though I am a conservative Christian, I am against this."

Then you're not really all that conservative are you?

"...Christian groups can not give help to society without anybody getting angry that they are doing it under a Christian banner."

People like me get angry because this is basically PR and advertising. Why can't they just perform good deeds without the advertising banners? It's not like people aren't aware that Christianity exists. Plenty of organisations and individuals perform good deeds and aid work without advertising their chosen faiths. In fact numerous aid organisations are comrised of people of a host of different faiths and they don't feel the need to use their good deeds as PR for their belief systems. Many Christian and other religious organisations love doing things like opening schools in Africa and then stipulating that any child who attends must adopt the Christian ethos, or basically fuck off. I call that brainwashing and exploitation with a veneer of PR goodness.

"one must stop to think about the two-faced policy that is being followed against the religious element of our society. Is it because people are not thinking widely?"

Two faced? hohoho.....not thinking 'widely'? Are you serious? Don't confuse thinking widely with believing widely fella.

"Why can't I pray at a school lunch table without anyone feeling bad that they choose not to believe and I did? If one chooses not to believe, it is ok. If I ask that person if they want me to pray for them, all they have to say is they do not believe and let it be as that. I do not see what is wrong with that."

I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to pray any time you want without people giving you hassle, that's your business. It's great that you accept people's decision not to believe. If you asked me if I wanted you to pray for me, I would say why not? If you think it will do some good fire ahead, it's not like you're asking me to pray. There is nothing wrong with this last paragraph.

Where you are missing the point lies with religion, not belief. Too many religious people believe that because they are good people, that makes their religion good by default. I would direct you to a posting of mine where i break it down in more detail. I don't normally plug my own blogs on the comments, i think it's a bit needy, but it's relevant in this instance and I've already gone on long enough here as is.

http://www.progressiveu.org/130746-major-religions-fringe-cults-time-to-take-a-look-in-the-mirror

You probably won't like it, but it states why people like me are against the practices of most organised religions.

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blackout's picture
Volunteer for the Progressive U Alumni Association

They say that they want Christians to not bother them about Christianity and everyone just to let live. But then as soon as Christians do let people live their own lives, then people complain that Christians are not active anymore.

I think you are confusing two completely different sets of "people."

I can not see why I should hide a prayer in America, supposedly a country that stands up for individualism and individual rights.

Who says you have to "hide" your prayers? All that the law requires is that you refrain from using force (and especially the police power of the government) to try to compel other people to participate in your prayers against their will.

Why can't I pray at a school lunch table

You can. What you can't do is force the people sitting next to you to participate.

without anyone feeling bad that they choose not to believe and I did?

I think that the reason you suggest for the people sitting near you while you pray is disingenuous. They don't "feel bad" because "they choose not to believe and [you] did," but more likely they are annoyed that you are interrupting their day with your religious practice.

If one chooses not to believe, it is ok. If I ask that person if they want me to pray for them, all they have to say is they do not believe and let it be as that. I do not see what is wrong with that.

There isn't anything wrong with it...unless you refuse to take "no thank you" for an answer and then leave the person alone.

percivale

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Arthur: Which is the greatest quality of knighthood?
Merlin: Truth. That's it. Yes. It must be truth, above all. When a man lies, he murders some part of the world.
(From John Boorman's Excalibur)

mvenus929's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

I sort of agree with Tuffgong and percivale. You have two different sets of people meshed into one set. There are militant atheists who try to convince everyone that their religion is wrong. Those are the people that will be criticizing you for not living a 'Christian' life, and there will be those telling you to just leave them alone. I'm a Christian (sorta) and I'm telling you to just leave me alone. That doesn't mean I'm going to yell at you when you live your own life.

I can not see why I should hide a prayer in America, supposedly a country that stands up for individualism and individual rights. Why can't I pray at a school lunch table

You can. You are fully within your rights to exercise your religion however you want, as long as it does not interfere with another's rights.

without anyone feeling bad that they choose not to believe and I did? If one chooses not to believe, it is ok.

When I see someone praying, I don't feel bad at all. I'm glad that they are that faithful to their religion that they take it everywhere with them.

If I ask that person if they want me to pray for them, all they have to say is they do not believe and let it be as that. I do not see what is wrong with that.

As long as you leave it at that as well, it's ok. But there are those who will keep asking 'why don't you believe?' 'Don't you know what this is all about?' 'You're going to go to hell for not believing'. Those are the people that we have problems with, and it seems like you do too. Just keep it that way and everyone will be happy.

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Is it not better to give a warning then to say nothing at all .we are to let the world know that Jesus is the Christ and that all people need to come unto God, so that this world that we live in today can be a world of love and peace. God tells us to warn ever one. Amen

TUFFGONG's picture
Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

"so that this world that we live in today can be a world of love and peace."

Yeah, because Christians are so famous for their love of peace....Except of course when they're declaring wars and preaching hate from the pulpits. When I hear this peace and love crap from Christians, it makes me wonder if they actually know the meaning of the words. If you ask me, Christians should be required to place a trademark symbol next to the words 'peace' and 'love' when they use them in reference to Christians, because they have different meanings from those found in the dictionary.

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TUFFGONG
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burningexample's picture
Volunteer for the Progressive U Alumni Association

Hey, not all "Christians." :-h

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