Pro-Choice not Pro-Abortion

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 I am pro-choice. Many people, therefore, jump to the conclusion that I wholeheartedly support abortion. However, I am not pro-abortion. Were I in such a situation, I do not believe that I would opt to have an abortion, I would carry the child, give birth to it, and put it up for adoption. But that is how I would live my life. It is my belief that the goverment should not have the power to dictate to a woman what she can or cannot do to her body in that regard. It is my firm belief (Note: belief, so OPINION) that the government should not have that power- the laws should be kept OFF my body and everyone elses. It is not the government's place to tell me, or anyone else, that they should bear a child, regardless of what it would mean for them financially, emotionally, physically, etc.

Take, for example, a woman- devout Catholic, in a loving marriage with her husband. After years of trying, they finally get pregnant. She's ecstatic, she'll finally be able to "fulfill her wifely duty." But then she finds out that, because of various complications, she will be unable to deliver the child safely, and there is a great chance she (and the child) will die. So, she asks her priest if she may obtain a dispensation to get an abortion and talks to her doctor.
She is told no, she may not have an abortion. Both state, federal, and church law forbid it. Guess she's SOL.

 But let's look at this another way- were abortions illegal, women would still have them. Abortions were carried out even in ancient times, when restrictions against it were much more stringent. It will be done anyway- why not make it as safe as possible? Instead of these desperate women having to seek out dangerous, potentially fatal, methods of aborting the child, I believe they should be given a safe method by which to do so.

Take another example: a young girl is raped by her stepfather and becomes pregnant. Distraught at being labelled a "whore" and having no one to turn to, she throws herself down a flight of stairs, in an attempt to lose the baby.

 

In conclusion, it is my belief that abortion should be legal- I am pro-choice, though I do not believe I would chose that option.

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Very well-written, and very true. Thank you for expressing your opinion so well.

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Aww, thanks... It didn't seem too well-written to me, but I have high standards. But I can't really write a proper, formal essay in 20 minutes in a study hall, ya know?

Thanks so much. Glad to know I'm not the only one who holds this opinion. ^_^

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Yay! Someone who shares my point of view. It's good to know I'm not as ass backward as I find myself believing sometimes.

-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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I'm glad to find people who share my point of view!

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YES! I agree with every point you made!
I believe that everyone should have the right to life BUT I do not think the welfare of my body should be the government's discretion. Also, there are extenuating circumstances surrounding abortion.

Great post!

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Any other opinions?
Immigration - gun control - capital punishment - etc.

Allie_the_Neko's picture

Thanks!

No solid opinions of immigration or gun control- I don't feel I have enough knowledge about the subjects to have a firm opinion.

As for capital punishment... Morally, I object to it, but I'm not sure if my objections are based in logic or my own gut reaction (and 13+ years of Catholic schooling).

I do believe there are some circumstances that can benefit from having legal abortions but not every case is like that. What about the people who will start abusing the abortions and using it as birth control. It would be another way for people not to take responsibility for their actions--especially those teenage girls who are getting pregnant becuase they are not taking care of themselves. And just because people are going to do it anyways doesnt make it a valid reason for the governement to make it legal. But the post was very well written..good job

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I would consider the emotional distress caused by an abortion (since I imagine it would be very painful emotionally) would influence many girls to NOT use abortion as a method of birth control.

Thanks for saying it was well-written ^_^

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Even if legally done in a medical clinic, there is a certain amount of risk involved in an abortion. If something goes wrong, the woman can have internal bleeding or may not be able to ever have kids again.

That said, although there probably would be a few people who would at least attempt to abuse it, the doctors, like other public service people, have the right to refuse service. Insurance also doesn't have to cover it.

-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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Were I in such a situation, I do not believe that I would opt to have an abortion, I would carry the child, give birth to it, and put it up for adoption

So you do believe that the child you are carrying is alive and a real person.

It is my belief that the goverment should not have the power to dictate to a woman what she can or cannot do to her body in that regard. It is my firm belief (Note: belief, so OPINION) that the government should not have that power- the laws should be kept OFF my body and everyone elses. It is not the government's place to tell me, or anyone else, that they should bear a child, regardless of what it would mean for them financially, emotionally, physically, etc.

If the child you are carrying is a person, then it's wrong to kill it. But the child of another woman is not a person unless it's convenient for her? Or it's just okay that she kills a living being because it's in her body.

Let me apply this logic to a different situation. I personally would never own slaves, I think it's wrong and inhumane; but if YOU want to own slaves, go right ahead. Or I would never rape someone, I wouldn't ever want to be raped, but if you want to rape somebody go ahead.


Take, for example, a woman- devout Catholic, in a loving marriage with her husband. After years of trying, they finally get pregnant. She's ecstatic, she'll finally be able to "fulfill her wifely duty." But then she finds out that, because of various complications, she will be unable to deliver the child safely, and there is a great chance she (and the child) will die. So, she asks her priest if she may obtain a dispensation to get an abortion and talks to her doctor.
She is told no, she may not have an abortion. Both state, federal, and church law forbid it. Guess she's SOL.

There are many cases where women have gone through with the pregnancy anyways and both the child and mother survived.
More than ninety percent of all high risk pregnancies result in the birth of healthy children.
http://pregnancy.lovetoknow.com/wiki/High_Risk_Pregnancy

About 6% of abortions are health-related http://www.pregnantpause.org/numbers/whyabort.htm


Take another example: a young girl is raped by her stepfather and becomes pregnant. Distraught at being labelled a "whore" and having no one to turn to, she throws herself down a flight of stairs, in an attempt to lose the baby.

Red Herring Fallacy: It shifts the discussion from the morality of abortion to the morality of rape or incest, while keeping abortion in the picture just enough to convince the pro-lifer that it would be immoral to disallow abortions.

Even so, rape is around 1% of all abortions. http://www.pregnantpause.org/numbers/whyabort.htm
Furthermore, a study found that rape victims, while very few, choose abortions only 15% of the time.
But in 1979 Dr Sandra Mahkorn, a professional rape counselor, studied 37 women who had become pregnant through rape. (This was apparently all she could find. Pregnancy from rape is, in fact, extremely rare. The small numbers make the study less statistically significant. But we are certainly not going to hope for more rape victims just so we can get more reliable studies!) Of the 37, 4 did not complete the study. Of the remainder, 28 chose to continue their pregnancies, and 5 chose abortion. So of real pregnant rape victims, only 15% chose abortion.
http://www.pregnantpause.org/aborted/curerape.htm

http://www.progressiveu.org/user/bamers

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If the child you are carrying is a person, then it's wrong to kill it. But the child of another woman is not a person unless it's convenient for her? Or it's just okay that she kills a living being because it's in her body.

I don't believe that I should force my moral system on others.

Let me apply this logic to a different situation. I personally would never own slaves, I think it's wrong and inhumane; but if YOU want to own slaves, go right ahead. Or I would never rape someone, I wouldn't ever want to be raped, but if you want to rape somebody go ahead.

Both of those example affect other sentient beings. A fetus is alive but I do not consider it sentient; it is not yet developed enough for that (yes, physco-functionalism- get over it). And it looks like a lizard.

There are many cases where women have gone through with the pregnancy anyways and both the child and mother survived.
More than ninety percent of all high risk pregnancies result in the birth of healthy children.

And the other 10%?

Red Herring Fallacy: It shifts the discussion from the morality of abortion to the morality of rape or incest, while keeping abortion in the picture just enough to convince the pro-lifer that it would be immoral to disallow abortions.
Your criticism doesn't change the fact that it happens.

Furthermore, a study found that rape victims, while very few, choose abortions only 15% of the time.

So, because the other 85% chose not to, no one should have the right?

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Red Herring Fallacy: It shifts the discussion from the morality of abortion to the morality of rape or incest, while keeping abortion in the picture just enough to convince the pro-lifer that it would be immoral to disallow abortions.

Your criticism doesn't change the fact that it happens.

Faulty logic means a bad argument. Aside from that, abortions due to rape and incest account for 1 or 2% of all abortions.

http://www.progressiveu.org/user/bamers

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