I've had an experience now with this site, and based on that I know it's unlikely this post will last.
I find it majorly ironic that a site with the purpose of blogging for progress has chosen to censor me by deleting a blog about injustice that I wrote yesterday.
There is a user of this site who has been posting hateful messages in both blogs and comments, and slinging insults at other users for disagreeing. She's said blatantly racist things against whites, blacks, and asians. This infuriated me, because I felt it was against the spirit of this site.
So I made a blog about it. I expressed my discontent, and used quotes from her, and suggested that others view her blogs in order to understand better what I had seen. Other than refering to her as a "racist" (more than justified based on her comments) I was respectful and did not stoop to the level of mud slinging.
I logged on tonight to find that my blog had been deleted. Not only that, but her hateful, racist blogs and comments were still up. That despite the fact that they violate the website's terms of use: " (2) is violent, hateful, or threatening to anyone or any group;"
So as I said, I know this will probably be deleted, because obviously this site is only about progress as they see it, but I I hope some of you can read it before my voice is silenced again.
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links, please.
also, did they give you any specific reason?
"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
The user who I speak of is AnaAngel.
And they gave no reason, they just deleted it.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
Jessamine Q.
Yes, there has been someone else on this site who has posted hateful messages and they have not deleted his or her blogs from the site. I am sorry to see that so much prejudice and disrespect still resides so abundantly in our world.
I wouldn't mind if they left up everyone's blogs, but the fact that I was censored for speaking out against someone being hateful is what gets to me.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
I have found on this site that you have to fit in with the crowd or you won't get any posts, weather you say somthing worth saying, you say somthing racist or you say somthing completly of the wall. If you are not "in" the group you are "out". It's highschool only on the computer. My blogs got lots of reads until about 3 days ago and then nothing. No reads, no posts, maybe 1-2 a day. Now I feel how it is to be that black man in a 7-11 being accused of somthing he didn't do.
Read more from me at: http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/jewels07-0
That's what I'd heard in regards to the other users on the site. That if you anger them in one post they'll ignore the rest of yours. But it's hardly something I expected out of the people running the site. Their noble purpose is now totally skewed in my eyes.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
Believe me it is true. I was doing just fine. Getting lots of reads, and enough posts being that I am not 18-22 so I am doing the best I can to relate. But I piste off the wrong person. I later apologized but it was too late so now I guess I am just doing this for the fun of it cuz the scholarship is out the window. I have been boycotted. I would like to get some responsizes though cuz I did write some real stuff that I feel strongly about. I admit Carrie and Hillary was stretching it, but I wasn't getting anything with real posts so I thought I would put something totally off the wall up.
Read more from me at: http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/jewels07-0
What did you say to anger some people? I've found myself reading your posts favorably despite many others on here who I flat out disagree with.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
The average blog posted on this website is 112/day. If your posts didn't get read, it was probably because it was pushed down by a hundred of other posts, not because there's a boycott. I have received strange messages from people who want me to read their posts, but I haven't been invited to a boycott of any kind.
And writing about Carrie and Hillary because your "real posts" aren't getting read is low.
But is it me or there is another poster with YOUR name?
Jessamine Q.
You can tell that you are being boycotted when your post are doing fine then all of the sudden you say something wrong in the eyes of someone and now your post aren't being read by that person or anyone that person is buddies with, which can be pretty bad if that person has like 80 buddies.
Hey.. you got me pretty riled up but here I am reading and agreeing with your posts and comments.
Censorhip of any form is hatred of a different kind. To tell people they are not old enough nor responsible enough to make up their own minds by removing posts is wrong from every aspect......... Except one.
Legally the owners of the site have an obligation.
Why they have chosen to delete your post and not the other person's I can't say. I read neither. BUT I can make a confident bet that it has more to do with covering their metaphorical and legal ass than it does with site rules on content.
Cathii
I've been told that after a problem during last year's competition with mudslinging that they're probably just covering themselves. My question is if they had such a problem last year, why they didn't make a point to add a rule against mentioning a specific poster? I did make a point to check the
terms of use before posting what I did. And even if what I did didn't violate their ToU and they decided to remove it, why would they allow the hateful speech of the other poster which DOES violate the ToU stand?
That's why I made this blog. Which I did honestly expect to be deleted.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
That is not completely true. I know many users on here who routinely post to blogs that people they have disagreed or even argued with in the past have written. I do so routinely. I don't consider myself "in" with the crowd on PU...we disagree just as often as we agree. Those of my posts that get the attention of other users are responded too. Those that don't, aren't. Simple as that.
The fact is, if a post isn't though provoking, well written, etc people will read but not comment.
The Buddies feature is great. I get more comments from those on my buddy list than from any of the countless other users combined... and I comment on buddy posts more than any other posts.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
"May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind be always at your back. May the warm rays of the sun fall upon your home."
I really do not understand what crowd you are referring to. If there are no reads on certain posts, it is not because you are not in the "in crowd", could it be that no one is interested in the subject?
If this is true, than this really sucks! Now not only do I have to try to fit in in real life, have to fit in in cyber land, too? Whatever happened to being able to use the internet to reinvent yourself?
Oh well, once an outsider, always an outsider ;)
I wonder if I am a part of the "in" crowd or the "out" crowd? Actually, I wish there were no such thing as an "in" crowd. Only in a perfect world. But what if none of the blogs had names on them and all were rated anonymously? I wonder if that would make a difference on the type of feedback people receive and who gets their posts banned and who doesn't?
Either she or someone in the administration went through and deleted hers, yours (it was yours, right?), and my comments in her Immigration blog. That kinda irked me.
~C
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You know I didn't even think to go through the blog to see if my comments were still there. I'm flat out angry about that now. If that too was done by the administrators than this site is a big joke masquerading as a forum for change.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
I never have either, and being that there is no where to keep up with the points until the winner is announced, how do you know what you get points for and what point are taken away?
Also... couldn't they set up whatever winner they wanted to that way, by deleting posts that they thought were racist or against the rules in some way?
Also... don't websites get money for everytime someone goes to the site. $2000 worth of scholarship money to them has got to be nothing with all the people on here.
Read more from me at: http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/jewels07-0
I only found out because the red line next to the blog on my tracking kept saying 'updated' and it was bugging me to know what had been updated, so I went in and that whole blow up that she had and we responded to was gone.
It's not libel if it's true.
~C
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The comments you and TJBric made were deleted because they were in response to the blog author's all caps post, which "(2) is violent, hateful, or threatening to anyone or any group;" It wouldn't make sense if they deleted her comment and keep yours.
Her comments were hateful, and not mine. So I'm not sure how you're making any sense here.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
Because if they deleted her comment and kept yours, there would be a logical gap. People who read the blog and the replies for the first time wouldn't know which post you were referring to. Also, you specifically replied to that offensive post, so the deletion of your post and mvenus's (and mine) was automatic, not a part of the conspiracy.
To clarify, if they delete mvenus's post that starts with "Either she or someone in", our conversation will be automatically be gone too, because they're indented under that post.
I see what you mean in that regard, but I don't think they should have deleted hers or mine. But if they delete mine and not hers at the same time, that's just supporting a bigot. I didn't violate terms of use, and she did. Simple.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
Does is say somewhere in the rules that you can't post things in all caps???? I don't think so....
Read more from me at: http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/jewels07-0
You would not get the reference if you never read that blog. But to answer your question, it IS one of the unspoken rules. Caps are used for emphasis, and it's rude to yell your way throughout a post.
No posting in caps wasn't the problem. But if you simply read the main post of this I quote the part of the terms of service which was violated.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
The point of it was not that her post was in all caps, but that it was against the terms and conditions. She was responding to a comment I made to another user. I had been defending her point (I think...), and she went off on me, saying some really nasty things. The fact that it was in all caps just made it more offensive. But yeah, it's proper etiquette to post with correct capitalization.
~C
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Don't you think? I have learned that in order for people to survive you have to focuse on the positive things, regardless of what other people think, who cares? People that hate need to deal with their own emotions, they are in huge trouble if you ask me...At least we know that we don't have to worry about fixing our way of thinking...
You must be the change you want to see in the world.
Mahatma Gandhi
Focus on the positive doesn't mean ignore injustice and don't try to fix it though. As I said, I think they should leave the hateful comments of the girl up (which they did), but deleting mine for disagreeing with her is where the problem has arisen.
Someone else violated THEIR terms of service even, and I was the one who was censored. I won't just stand by and let that go. Especially not on a site that has a "mission" such as this.
Gandhi didn't let injustice go, now did he? (Not that this is anywhere near that magnitude..)
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
But there is nothing you can do. The idea this is a conspiracy is just wrong, I dont know anything about the issue, but I would bet my PFD that it wasn't because they like this person more or dont want you to win the schoolarship. Sometimes injustice happens and the reason is probably locked up in some beaurocratic B.S. This hatful person is just going to be screaming into the wind and being angry at the owners of the site is wrong.
Like the lady said dont let this negative ruin all the positives of this site.
People have the right to their own opinion and the right to speak as long as it does not hurt or humiliate another person. It is not right for someone to be posting things that are racial or any other type of issue. A person has a right to believe what they want to but not the right to impose on others lives because she does not agree. I hope people learn how to keep their post positive and even if they don't agree try a positive way of telling your own opinion.
I don't think that people really have the right not to be humiliated, since you choose whether or not to be humiliated. Hurt is a different issue, but I do believe that people have the right to try to humiliate anyone they want to humiliate. The person they are trying to humiliate then chooses whether or not to be humiliated. Just like being offended. You have the ability to not be offended, not the RIGHT to not be offended. I can't make you feel one way or another.
I agree that it is not right to say or post racist (I assume you meant racist when you said racial) things, but that doesn't mean that people don't have the right to say them. That is just their opinion. It may be against the rules in the specific venue, but I don't think that it is right for any venue to censor you based on your opinion.
Of course, if it is outright threatening, then that's a whole different issue.
If we aren't allowed to post about issues, what do we post about?
"It is not right for someone to be posting things that are racial or any other type of issue."
Res ipsa loquitur.
memor mori, mahalo.
To avoid things like this in the future, try to keep blogs about other users pretty general. The last contest a couple people got out of hand writing blogs basically saying, "so-and-so is a racist or a jerk or constantly attacks me in every post I comment on." There was as least one blog listing that bloggers friends and enemies on the site. This may have made admin a little touchy when people write a whole blog about a single person.
Try to focus on the problem the person exemplifies and not the specific person. You can mention that certain people/persons have been especially bad, but naming names or marking a single person out as the target for a blog tends to end in deletion. Most blogs flatly attacking another user completely fail to recognize that the reason conflict has occured is because people just don't agree. In the case of AnaAngel you two don't agree, and she has the language and communication skills of an enraged babboon.
I thought your responses to AnaAngel were very reasonable. Why they should remove your comments and not her screeds on how she isn't talking those fucking Asians is beyond me. That said, don't write blogs that are essentially about a single user and they won't be deleted.
And finally, since I imagine admin will take a look at this one too:
Dear admins,
Tell a user why his or her blog is being deleted. You can state the decision as final and refuse to respond to any responses, but a small outline of the situation and circumstances for removing a blog would be nice.
Res ipsa loquitur.
memor mori, mahalo.
I don't feel anyone should automatically be deleted for focusing on any other person when it's handled in a tactful manner. My post merely pointed out her viewpoints and used her own words to make my point. Them deleting my post because it might get out of hand is the same as "preemptive punishment" like police arresting a minority because every minority is GOING to commit a crime, just not as extreme as that example.
Even more importantly, my blog did not break the rules listed in the terms of service, so they have no grounds to delete my post. The person who I was posting about DID break the terms of service and remained untouched.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
I'm glad I read through all of the comments, because I was about to say this same thing.
It seems very logical that after the fiasco that was the end of the last contest, personal blogs regarding a specific person/post, would be deleted.
If you find something very offensive, it's probably better that you comment on their blog (since you were replying to them) or hit the button towards the bottom right of the page called "Flag This Page" to bring attention of the offensive material to admin.
THat's not to say that you weren't right in your feelings, but perhaps if you had gone about it in a different way, more attention would have been paid to the issue without a negative reflection on yourself.
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"Dream as though you'll live forever, but live as though there's no tomorrow" --James Dean
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/fanaile-essence
I completely understand where you are coming from. I do not think that it is fair what they are doing by taking off your blog and not theirs. It is almost childish with the way they will punish one person for a comment but they will leave the one alone who started it. Same thing here. I am glad that you spoke out and that I got a chance to read this I do not believe that it is very fair.
Not sure if this helps, but here is what the PU Team posted in my "You are a moron" blog about personal attacks and such (and I would assume since your blog pointed out a single user it was taken as a personal attack)
"Hear, hear!
Submitted by Progressive U Team on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 10:21pm.
Hopefully Fallon's eloquent post will be enough to convince everyone. If not, here is some additional incentive: posts that contain personal attacks against other members will be removed, and two-time offenders will find their accounts blocked without notice.
While we encourage debate, we will not tolerate personal attacks against members. In some cases such attacks are illegal (under libel laws), but even when they are not libelous they violate our Terms of Use.
'Nuff said."
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
"May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind be always at your back. May the warm rays of the sun fall upon your home."
I agree that attacks should not be accepted. But my "attack" was merely quoting things she said. Where as she has directly slung insults and swears at people, and has not suffered any consequence of that.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
Funny how the Progressive U Team posted that, meanwhile there is someone spamming peoples blogs with with useless information
~Peace, Life, and Love~
I think I know which useless information you were referring to.
Actually, I think it's multiple people (or one person creating multiple accounts). The usernames looked different the few times I went on that topic.
~C
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The PU team will take care of spam and the like if it is pointed out to them. They did multiple times during the last contest when users were being spammed via personal messages and such.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
"May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind be always at your back. May the warm rays of the sun fall upon your home."
I'm sorry your post got deleted about the injust predjudice she puts in her blogs. But perhaps the way you quoted it or spoke in your blog made them consider it an attack on an individual in the community. I would suggest perhaps when you wish to call someone out, do it in a more tactful way and even without quoting in same way or meantioning the user's name and or not linking their blog in your blog. just a suggestion.
"Your the King? Well I didn't vote for you."
-Monty Python and the Holy Grail, pesant(also in Warcraft 3, pesant says it as well.)
What I did was explain the situation. If the truth isn't tactful than nothing is. I said that she had made hateful comments about various ethnicities, and that I felt it went against the spirit of this site. I then provided direct quotes from her, and then suggested that people visit her blog to understand what I meant by gaining first hand experience.
If that is less tactful than making racial comments against various people, then excuse me.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
I think it is all pretty simple, write a whole blog about a single person in a negative light and it gets deleted. Seems fair to me. Leave personal attacks on topic in the comments sections of specific blogs.
Leave your fights in the comments. Blogs are for generalities and issues, not personal attacks. While I agree that what you said is probably true, a blog calling another user names, which racist basically is, is not tactful.
Blogs are for issues, comments are for specific persons/ideas. Calling another user a racist, true or not, is not blog worthy. Calling a politician racist is perfectly acceptable.
The admins popped up and stated pretty clearly in Fallon's blog that you overstepped the bounds of tact. Writing a blog about another person just leads to discussion about that person specifically, and calling them a racist in a blog gives people a place to go to comment on how lame that user is. Seems pretty tactless to me.
Res ipsa loquitur.
memor mori, mahalo.
Can you elaborate what is "fair" about censorship? Telling a story is not a "personal attack." What I did would be no different than me writing a story about encountering a racist at the store.
Blogs are for issues, and the issue I chose to address was racism and the irony of it popping up on a website designed to promote progress in our society. If standing up against hateful speech is a lack of tact then I am happy to be tactless instead of conforming to unspoken rules.
I am within the bounds of the websites own rules, so no overstepping has occurred, so for someone else to judge that as tactless is no dirt on my back.
As far as I'm concerned the admins have clearly showed that they would rather avoid conflict than truly stand for their own message, and you seem like you fall under the same shadow.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
First, I don't think it should have been deleted. It has afforded this wonderful discussion on standards however, which probably warrants being on the front page.
And now, let me try this another way...
Everybody on this site shows who they are. Everybody here shows their ass too. If you are a racist, you write racist blogs and everyone knows you are racist. There isn't any reason to point to a specific user on a BLOG SITE and say, "Hey, they are a rcist, look at what they said..." anybody who cares has already read it.
You singled out a person, and that's where you slipped up. It wasn't very tactful, and it didn't have much to do with anything except, "Hey this person said things I don't like." We already knew you didn't like the things she said, you said so in the comments on the offending blog, and that's where the issue should have stayed, on that blog.
Keep your personal beefs in the comments section where they belong. A blog titled, "AnaAngel is a Racist" is pretty clearly focused on one person. It isn't ironic that people who disagree with you are allowed to write blogs on this site. There are plenty of racists here of all stripes, and they show it. YOU don't have to point it out. We all see it.
Once again, shouldn't have been deleted, but it was in poor taste. You moved a disagreement/fight between two users outside the "ring" of the blog, turning a boxing match into a brawl. The deleted blog was neither tactful, nor broadly worded enough to be anything but a critique of a single user.
Res ipsa loquitur.
memor mori, mahalo.
It's amazing that you're so keen on what is "acceptable" to blog or not. Who says any discussion of a subject should stay under one person's blog? Many people have written blogs as offshoots to comments that have been made on others. The reason I decided to make it a separate blog because with the hundreds of blogs written every day, some get lost in the mix. And it's quite obvious that not everyone reads every blog since during the day there are nearly a thousand people on at any given time but most blogs get about 50-200 reads.
I'm baffled that you get to decide there is no tact in posting that as a blog, but that it's okay to do it in a comment to a blog. There's no difference, it's all the same thing.
It's also silly that you deride me for getting on a virtual soap box to complain about someone's racist comments, and your last blog was complaining about the reviews of Amazon users. That's obviously MUCH more progressive.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
I knew that blog would bite me in the ass, oh well. Like I said, everyone shows who they are, and everyone shows their ass. I blew off some steam at a group/trend I noticed in Amazon reviews. You didn't care enough to comment there, and it got the one rating star I expected. It also didn't attack a SPECIFIC PERSON.
You are forgetting that the problem is that you singled out another user. That's what you did wrong, and that's it. I don't care that you COMPLAINED about racism. You complained about a SINGLE USER being racist. She doesn't hold any sort of power to enact her racism, so it isn't really any kind of issue of debate beyond that blog. I ignored the blog as a silly personal attack and checked out the blog it was a response to see if you were twisting things.
There is no reason to make sure that every single person that logs into this site reads the fight you had with another user.
We have differing views on what blogs and comments are for, and if you can't see the difference between Darwin's Beagle writing "Does Science and Religion Conflict" and "AnaAngel is a Racist" I can't help you.
I am not imposing my standards on you. I don't have the power. I didn't want your blog deleted. I am just giving you my personal standards for the proper use of this forum. Being a member of that forum I feel it appropriate to say something when MY standards get violated after a certain point, just as you did with AnaAngel. Only difference is that I am talking to you directly about it because that is who it concerns.
You have invited discussion on the standards used on this site. I spoke up and said you violated my personal standards and tried to give a little perspective on how you did so. I am not ProU staff, but I am a ProU member. Not much gets deleted around here, so when it does it is kind of a big deal. When things do get deleted they are pretty much always personal attacks in the form of blogs.
Res ipsa loquitur.
memor mori, mahalo.
"That's what you did wrong"
There was no "wrong" done. I checked the terms of use before I posted that blog, and there is no rule against what I did.
I respect your right to believe that I brought something out of a comment discussion that should have remained there, but my complaint is merely in this site violating their own rules.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
So now that Pro U Team has posted what they did on mvenus' blog would you consider that an addition to the use terms? i.e. any further blogs singling a person out have now been fairly warned that it is against site policy?
Not that we can't discuss it, but it seems like they just clarified the rules a little bit and any further such posts would come under their jurisdiction.
Res ipsa loquitur.
memor mori, mahalo.
It wasn't my blog, it was Fallon's. I just linked to it in my most recent blog. http://www.progressiveu.org/235213-you-are-a-moron
~C
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No, I wouldn't consider it an addition to the user terms because that would require that I just so happened to read that blog, which I hadn't. It's more like an admin posting reasoning for unjust acts.
They didn't "clarify" the rules per se because there was no rule regarding addressing a specific user in a post that needed any clarification.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
This does make a lot of sense. A public forum is really no place to attack a specific individual, but could have been done privately to avoid singling the person out. Maybe more good would have come from people not having any ammunition to go and read her remarks rather than directing everyone towards them.
But I do not like public confrontation at all. If I have something to say to someone, I would rather do it privately so everyone else isn't pulled in to the argument as if asking others to pick sides.
But aside from my personal opinion, I don't think one blog should have been deleted and not any of the others. Deletions should at least be consistent.
Sorry but half of the stuff posted on here is not progressive.
Since I'm still getting used to this site, I'm not sure if this is possible but if there is a way of reporting rulebreakers I think that may have been a better way to go rather than singling out a person and bringing even more attention to their hateful comments.
I didn't want her comments to be deleted though. As hateful as her words are, I think she has a right to say whatever she likes. Just as I should have the right to respond to her statement whether it's in comments to her blog or in my own blog.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
I agree.
Hateful things aren't fun to read when they are directed at you, but that does not make it worthy of censorship. I understand that the site likes to say that it violates the terms of use or some crap, but maybe they should take their terms of use and rework them to allow people to express their opinions, even if those opinions do not match the administrators'.
They should also not delete the posts of people who don't even violate their terms of use. Especially when they allow posts that do violate it to remain up.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
I think that it is pitiful that they deleted something without any notification and it is not fair. I know personally that people have made personal attacks against me and I made some back and they were not deleted. Maybe they changed the rules for the new contest, but I didnt notice anything new. But take this as a lesson well learned to all, rehashing hurts.
I think that its silly that one person can make comments like that in their blog and then we you make a comment it gets deleted.Isn't that the point of this thing?To voice our opinions and write what we think about what they wrote?Doesn't that seem a little hipocritical??
Yes, to hear our thoughts; But Tim didn't just comment on her blog...
He wrote an entire new blog bashing that poster, and made it very specific by adding quotes taken directly from that poster's blog.
I'm sure that the comments would not have been deleted if they had been posted more properly - on the original poster's blog as comments.
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"Dream as though you'll live forever, but live as though there's no tomorrow" --James Dean
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/fanaile-essence
How is it bashing? There was no mudslinging. Merely the facts of the situation.
And actually several of my comments left on her blog were deleted as well, so you're wrong there.
There's no rules against the blog I made, it's pretty terrible that so many stuck up for someone's right to racist blogs but not my right to talk about racist bloggers.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
I'm not saying that person has any right to post a racial blog...
But then again, there is no law against racism, is there?
The only difference I see in what you did vs. what she did was her comments remained generalized, where you were specific.
I'm not saying she's in the right at all - or even that you're in the wrong... just that you made a personal attack - she did not.
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"Dream as though you'll live forever, but live as though there's no tomorrow" --James Dean
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/fanaile-essence
Just to be clear again, I TOTALLY think she has the right to post her blog, racist or not.
What rule is there against being "specific?" There's no rule on this site against it, I even made a point to check before I posted that blog.
And what constitutes a personal attack to you? If you saw someone steal something, and you went and told someone else, would that be a personal attack? I just repeated what happened, and threw in that I found it ironic to find such content on a website with such a purpose.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
"What rule is there against being "specific?" There's no rule on this site against it, I even made a point to check before I posted that blog."
Well, you do have me there, they didn't post a rule about that prior to the beginning of the contest; but in context with the rest of the rules, and accompanied by the fiasco of the last contest, to me it seemed implied - sort of as an "unwritten" rule. You weren't here for the last contest, but towards the end (the last two weeks or so) there were a lot of blogs going up saying "so and so's a racist", "well, so and so's stupid" "well both those people are stupid for blogging about each other" - it was truly a mess. And every time one posted, the others all answered in another blog. I think I counted 14 in one day?
And, perhaps I have not put every thing together (I missed a couple of days on the site, and all this seems to have happened within those couple of days so I am trying to piece it together through everyone's comments here and what your blog said) so maybe I shouldn't have even commented at all, I don't know.
"And what constitutes a personal attack to you?"
To me a personal attack in a forum such as this is a blog written by one user with specific intent to hurt, demean, belittle, make fun of, or in some way degrade a particular user on this site; If someone was stealing, I would not view telling the authorities about it as a personal attack; in that case you would have been only trying to bring about some sort of justice... but if you caught someone stealing and instead of going to the authorities, you wrote a newspaper article about this person and how bad she was for stealing, that can be viewed as a personal attack because you're no longer trying to do the right thing and correct her action, but it looks more that you'd be trying to bring ridicule on her.
"threw in that I found it ironic to find such content on a website with such a purpose."
It is ironic, and something I did not expect to see on a site such as this at all. Part of what attracted me to this site was the thought of intellectual, open-minded people. Quite obviously, it isn't the case with every user.
The only other thing I can say, is perhaps a better road to take would be to re-write the blog, but keep the focus on that irony, rather than on the content of one particular person's blog? There is more than one racist running around this site.
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Oh, ok well thanks for clairfying. I guess that would make more sense of why his was deleted.
I did not read the blog in question, but it seems to me as though you could have handled the situation a bit more gracefully. However, I think her blog should have been deleted as well.
The comments she made that were referred to in the blog were not made in a blog of hers, but rather in the comments of one of her blogs. Said comments and the responses to them were deleted.
~C
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I think the same thing that if one person gets their blog deleted then so should the other person.
I think neither blog should be deleted. I disagree entirely with what she has to say, but I TOTALLY think she has the right to post it.
The only reason I even mentioned that hers violated the terms of use is because mine didn't, and was removed none the less.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
It's not that I don't trust you, but it doesn't look like anyone has proposed the idea that they didn't actually censor you. I have written things quite a few times on other blogs and it has been lost simply due to an internet burp. I haven't been on here long so I don't know if they do censor people or not, but it seems like a harsh thing to do. Do you know? that would be terrible!
Keep in mind that "progressive" is a buzzword that tends to mean its opposite. =\
No, all it needs to mean is anyone working for positive change. Many people have many different ideas as to what actual positive change is, however. Just because the word has been applied mostly to liberal views only doesn't make it true.
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
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why is it that we say something respectful and what not and it's deleted, but hatred and pornographic things are still up? It always so redundant.