feminism or favoritism?

okay, am i unjustly classifying? maybe. on whom? which sex was i talking about? both.

a lot of men are prone towards sexual thoughts because they happen to be driven by the sex hormone, testosterone.

maybe i should have said extremist feminists. regardless, though, women have been in power longer than they realize.

look at sexual power as a pendulum, with one end of the swing representing each sex; the pendulum swings to the power holders at the time. it goes back and forth. in a lot of societies there is an offset of power, men having some power over things and women having others, so it balances out to a large degree.

overall, however, the pendulum takes time to swing back and forth. right now, with both sexes being mostly equal, it is a fight of the fittest to see who gets the power next.

women could just as easily make it a matriarchy, as they have done before, as men have made a lot of history a patriarchy. i hope neither comes back into play and it remains that neither sex is better than the other.

although i must admit that women have it easier overall, especially since there are more women in the world than men. don't agree? think that i am making sexist remarks?

when was the last time that you heard of a man going out on a date because a women asked him out on one? personally for me? NEVER. not once have i heard of a women asking out a man, or even asking a man to marry her. personally, i probably would say yes to the right woman if a woman asked me and we were in love.

ultimately, it doesn't matter either way. i am just saying that a lot of men, that i know to be in relationships, they complain about always being expected of, to be the leader, to be the breadwinner, to be the final say. that certainly is a lot to take on, day after day.

by any rights, and i am sure that you know this, women can be just as cruel and unforgiving as males can. women have a knack for formulating logical arguments, and seeing things from most perspectives, however, a lot of the time, they don't know all that they portray.

sometimes their complaints seem downright petty, and unmentionable. they need to toughen up a bit, give men more logical complaints, or better yet, explain why their feelings where hurt, and what should be done about it. they need to speak their mind more, as opposed to biting their lip and letting things progress. i mean i am fully behind the feminist movement, although the extremist, misandrism(extreme hatred and distrust of males)is something that i cannot abide by.

they do not know that, while they are saying this and that about glass ceilings and equal treatment of the sexes, they aren't doing much to further those ends. how many women do you know that has climbed corporate ladders, from the bottom up? how many women do you know that toughed it out through the worst of it, so they can reap the benefits of the best of it? it being what ever carrier that they are in?

often times, they end up being called a cold hearted woman who is a force to be reckoned with. sometimes that is the only way to succeed at anything. even for men.

how many women do you know that put their sexuality aside for a moment; and they always have it, regardless of perceived attractiveness; and act from a neutral point of view?

all it takes to put sexuality in play, is a pursed lip here, an arched back there, a little swing in each step. all of these things are at any women's disposal. all of these things make women attractive in men's eyes, also being confidant in your attractiveness helps also.

all that we men can do to look attractive is groom ourselves, stay fit, and be efficient at whatever we do, so we can make money to provide for ourselves and our mate; that is a lot of what women care about. being confidant helps out a bunch also. maybe being a nice guy, if you are a nice gal that is, also helps, but in the end, you women have more than you bargained for, more than you realize.

right now a woman can have a man prosecuted for sexual harassment solely because she felt sexually threatened by a mans "lecherous" looks. if a man tried to do the same thing, he probably would be laughed at by the court and have the case thrown out. who has the short end of the stick now? and are there masculinist groups out there? no. hell "masculinist" isn't even a recognized word in the dictionary. i just tried looking it up. "masculinize" is the closest word to masculinist in the dictionary and that means to make masculine.

which is what the feminist movement is trying to do, masculinize that is, maybe not technically, but in spirit anyway, with the idea in mind that they are just as much capable to do masculine things as men are. that they are equal. often times, the feminist movement is misunderstood as extremist.

one thing that most fail to realize that some of the women in said movement don't want to be masculine, they have embraced the idea that they are better at other things, aside from the tougher professions, like the trades for instance, and there are women in the trades, so i don't want to hear any arguments that they can do tougher work also. i know that they can. all the more power to them. i am glad for them. proud even.

if you women don't want to be gawked at then don't dress in a scantly clad manner, avoid clingy, or semi transparent clothes, also clothing that is tight around certain points of your bodies, and you know which ones ladies. otherwise, don't complain about creepy men checking you out. most times guys will just sneek a peek and get caught. that happens often when i happen to be admiring how well a women fills out her clothes. or to be blunt, admiring her beauty. there are all types of beauty to a man, and in very ill-definable ways. it kinda sucks really for the most of us. like "oh yeah, she is hott" or "she is gorgeous" or "goddamn!" you must know that i am avoiding most of the terms that a lot of my fellow men use, they can be rather vulgar at times.

you all seem to have a sixth sense on when you are being watched and in what direction looks come from. also, if it happens multiple times, then a lot of women will just assume that the man is just starring at her, doing the wolf whistle in his head, and imagining bedding her.

most of the time, we just happen to be admiring a certain curve or angle in which we get to see you. to quote the song "don't touch my bikini" by the halo benders, 'don't touch my bikini, looking is for free but touching is going to cost you something' and know that it is sung by a guy, with a very deep voice, you should check it out, you might get a laugh. and i am not calling anybody whores.

maybe he is doing the wolf whistle, maybe he is fantasizing, but then again maybe not. you should check out getittogether's blog "Generalization of Women and Men", and then come back to me stating that that all men do is think about fornication. here is the link: http://www.progressiveu.org/133452-generalization-women-and-men

some women are okay with being an object of desire, in fact, i am sure that they feel it to be very empowering, hence dressing in an unladylike fashion, to use olden terms. however, men are ostracized, by women and other men alike for having sexual arousal. having an erection in public can be quite embarrassing.

most times there is nothing that we can do about it, other than picture bob dole naked, or our grandmother's doting on us, or big bird playing tennis with donkey kong, you know, non-sexual things like that, so that we no longer have an erection and it does take a while to stop our little generals or whatever dude happens to call their little dudes. little whatever their name is, little soldier, little man; i am sure that you get the picture.

women, while embracing their sexuality, unknowingly put us down into the ranks of near slavery, due to our heightened sex drive. i ask again, who has the shorter end of the stick now?

Yours truly,
.demosthenes

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Yeah.. females have the sex appeal-- AKA power of influence.


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unless you don't want to of course. i just want to hear about a women complaining that she couldn't get a guy into bed, despite how horny he was, there aren't a lot of strong willed men out there, they will take advantage of intoxicated girls. i am glad that i never have, and i have had the opportunity, many a time. just feels wrong to me though.

Yours truly,
.demosthenes

Oh, I've seen that happen. :]
It had to be one of the funniest things I'd ever seen.
She was completely drunk, and he--I don't know why-- just wouldn't have sex with her.
I think it was because it might take down his manly ego or some crap.


[[one day my ship will come in. with my luck, i'll be at the airport]]

sex with a drunken person is clumsy at best. it definitely isn't fun. especially when the other party is mostly sober. and, truthfully, depending on how drunk i am, and how long it has been, i just might, depending on the lady and as long as i know that they aren't in the blackout stage. i guess there are a lot of factors that come into play.

most of the time i just ignore my sexual urges. they are kinda useless when single.

Yours truly,
.demosthenes

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just feels wrong to me though

It feels wrong to a lot of guys, I believe.

Or maybe I just hang out with a strange crowd.

I think it might be a mix of both. ;-)


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because that would mean that you know a lot of guys and strange crowds are always refreshing.

Yours truly,
.demosthenes

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all that we men can do to look attractive is groom ourselves, stay fit, and be efficient at whatever we do, so we can make money to provide for ourselves and our mate; that is a lot of what women care about.

oh that's not true. I happen to like nerdy guys who like the same music and movies as me. Coffee appreciation and the ability to use magic on my computer are added bonuses. ;-)

I will give you staying fit though... I'm a sucker for some big strong arms. They are almost essential for good cuddling.


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ahh the cuddle. most men's secret guilty pleasure. although i would like to point out that skinny guys can be strong as hell as long as they are lean. most american's idea of fitness is in power strength. i focus on endurance more. it tends to be better for your body overall anyway.

and yes being able to like the same things also greatly helps but that changes with person to person. music and movies are awesome regardless. i have noticed that women do like the nerdy guys also. i think it has something to do with the ability to make them laugh, either through wit or just plain goofiness, something that i am sure women think of men often.

not to brag or anything but i think that i have a level of nerdy goofiness that is unsurpassed. hell sometimes i have a mode of crazy/weird that most people i know don't even understand. sometimes people ask me what drugs i am on and where they can get some. i usually tell them that i am sober and to give me some of theirs so i can calm down. either that or i say "I AM NOT ON DRUGS!!!" then i scratch my neck and arm simultaneously and run away screaming and waving my arms. you gotta keep 'em on their toes, you know.

Yours truly,
.demosthenes

This is really amusing watching you two debate this subject.
I almost feel like a 3rd party :)
I like it though.


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This is really amusing watching you two debate this subject.
I almost feel like a 3rd party :)
I like it though.


[[one day my ship will come in. with my luck, i'll be at the airport]]

by all means, join in the merrymaking. the fun never stops in here at ProgU. you should have seen some of the more lengthy heated debates i have had on here with other users. most times it was unnecessary but hell i will admit it i had fun. a lot of the people on here aren't afraid to let their views be known. there already are little packs of usergroups and what not. cliques are unavoidable i guess.

Yours truly,
.demosthenes

I am watching too. I feel a little like a stalker. I love the honesty here. Plus I love to laugh a lot at the silly things people think without really looking into info and sometimes its just interesting.

Thanks you all
~T

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This post was a nice try, but it missed the mark in regards to feminism. A little research might change your opinion on a few things.

Also, the word you were looking for is "machismo." It means "a strong sense of masculine pride." So there you go. You're equal to feminists now.

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

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i just don't have the time to be on here all the time. sometimes i just don't sign out either. i am sure that i get timed out though.

Yours truly,
.demosthenes

i don't think that i missed the mark by much. what you do have to take into accout is this: most people do not understand the feminist movement. clearly, i do a have good understanding of it. i was trying to put a good name on it, while also pointing out that, in someways, it is a double standard. i think that i did just that.

this is what wikipedia says about feminism, and i am sure that this page, to some degree, was edited by feminists: "Feminism comprises a number of movements, theories and philosophies that are concerned with issues of gender difference, that advocate equality for women, and that campaign for women's rights and interests.

According to some, the history of feminism can be divided into three waves. The first wave was in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, the second was in the 1960s and 1970s and the third extends from the 1990s to the present. Feminist Theory developed from the feminist movement. It takes a number of forms in a variety of disciplines such as feminist geography, feminist history and feminist literary criticism."

here is the stupid link so you lazy people who cannot seem to notice stating a source indirectly is pretty much the same as doing this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism first two paragraphs. there ya go.

also, the word that i wasn't looking for, was machismo. machismo, while it does counterpoint feminism, is often looked down upon, and seen as masochism, something that i tend to shy away from, especially when trying to find a balance to the feminist movement, while trying not to be insulting.

i think that i did do such, to whatever degree. some might find it offensive. some might take me out of context.

i do know that a lot of places do need a run in with the feminist movement, most of asia for instance, but more western countries need to have it finalized, women are already equal in the eyes of most laws. maybe feminists should try for serving in combat experiences before they jump the gun and say that they aren't still equal in all regards. watch G.I. Jane for example. there still are things that most people do not want women to do, women included.

i never wanted to be equal to the feminist movement, nor do i need the approval of a feminist to know what it is about. i don't need schooling on the subject or their main purposes in their mission. i already know that we are all equal, concerning matters of the mind and spirit. one thing that you fail to realize is this, women are still women, and men are still men. there are differences that will always be in play. i realized this. i stated so in my blog. you obviously missed my point.

Yours truly,
.demosthenes

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You won't get banned for commenting, silly!

Now, you cannot read an entry about feminism in Wikipedia (after the claims in the blog were written) and call it a study of feminism. You also cannot cite G.I. Jane as evidence of female equality. I mean, you can, but you can't expect people to let those stand as credible evidence.

I will admit that, yes, women have made great strides in equality. But there is a long way to go. Women still do not earn equal pay for doing the same jobs men do (there are exceptions, of course). Women still face harassment in the workplace if they attempt a job that is perceived to be too masculine.

Then look at media representation. When was the last time you saw a man on TV cleaning up his kids messes or mopping a floor? They seldom even show a man cooking dinner for his family! Women are still perceived as the servants of the family. I know that system works for a lot of families, and I don't begrudge their choice. I just want a world for may daughters in which they aren't expected to fit into a little box like that. I don't seek to masculinize anything.

Your blog made gross, uninformed generalizations about feminism. There were a few valid points, but really, the research was lacking. I have no doubt you are capable of writing an informed blog...but you have to do the research first, if I am to have any respect for your argument.

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i do know about feminism. i don't need to research much into it. mostly it would be a waste of my time. i know what it is about. i know what they are trying to do.

i don't care if you respect the blog that i posted from a view that most take on the subject, i know that it isn't my view, or opinion; my main gripe with you, is that you do NOT see that i was using another's perspective.

the GI Jane reference wasn't supposed to be evidence of female equality, i mean it is a movie for pete's sake. hollywood is a joke. so it television. i don't see why you care about who is doing what in shows. guess what? when was the last time you saw a person fart, piss, stub their toe, burp, have sex, on television? television is FAKE. do i need to spell it out for you?.

now onto real life. most of the men that i know, that have families are the primary caretakers of the children and of the house hold, maybe that is why i have such a stance on the subject. in fact, nine times out of ten, and these are real people that i know, the mother of their children run off and go make more merriment, & hump OTHER men. & i know that they aren't married, but having a child with someone is more of a commitment than marriage.

the reference was supposed to point out that there still are things out there that SOCIETY doesn't want women to do. SOCIETY is the collective whole, comprised of everyones opinions, views, ideals of the way that life should be. i am not saying in anyway, that women are unequal, in regards to most situations.

what i was saying is that most times, women are given a "helping hand" with things. some women are okay with that. some aren't. i am okay with that. i was just pointing out that if a woman has the "looks" so to speak, then chances are she uses them to whatever degree.

hence the "pursed lips, arched back, swing in step" line that i used. furthermore, women have the right to vote. do they vote independently? maybe, maybe not. they might ask their spouses decision, and why they have come to that conclusion, so that they themselves can make an informed decision.

if a man were to do anything like using his looks, he would be perceived as either very handsome, or lecherous. and all we can really do is flex our muscles, and walk from our hips forward.

there is a double standard here, that even you are upholding.

i could (could being the keyword here) care less, about feminism, although i do hope that they succeed. but where i come from, alaska, a lot of women are more or just as hardy as the men. furthermore, generally,(oh noes, batman! generalizations again, i hope that they can figure out that MAYBE he's putting MALES down with this statement) women are quicker to learn most things, they tend to have a higher IQ at younger ages, they have the ability to see out of other's eyes and ponder why someone is doing whatever.

they are more in tune to the communal entity that we all create. men, on the other hand, are too isolated, they perceive that they are expected of to do the dirty work. i will change my stances on this, when i start to see female butcher's, female plumbers, female carpenters, and female electricians. and due to equal opportunity and affirmative action they can get these jobs, no doubt about it. they just have to do the work. don't nag and complain that they aren't getting equal pay. just do the work, do it better than most, and then threaten to leave, then you will, whatever sex you may be, get better pay.

and wikipedia called it whatever it did. i didn't call it a study. not once did i say that. don't misquote me. even indirectly. it is RUDE. you wouldn't like it if i said, "edible woman, she doesn't like my blogs, she thinks that i am stupid and i need to go to school." even if it were true, that would mean i am speaking for you, something that no one can abide by, if they have a secure sense of self.

i am not trying to prove much here, other than the fact that people misunderstand a lot, myself, and yourself included.

Yours truly,
.demosthenes

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I apparently don't understand the point you are trying to make. You clearly don't understand my point, either. It seems you don't want to get it, as you are getting very defensive, so i am just going to bail out. But before I do, I'd like to make two things clear:
1. I do like your blogs. Giving criticism is not saying I don't like them. If you want to hang around here, grow a thicker skin, because people give suggestions, challenges and criticisms all the time. If you take it personally or expect everyone to agree with you, you'll spend a lot of your time here angry, and that would suck...for you and for your readers.

2. i neither quoted nor misquoted you, so i don't know what you're on about there.

Now take a deep breath, relax, and blog away, but keep what I said about research in mind, because it will come up again...it's a common criticism of all bloggers here.

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