No offense to anyone out there trying to get an education using scholarships related to their ethnicity. I'm sorry, but I have noticed that it is very difficult to find scholarships for caucasian people today. Even if you do find one, it's for a specific area of study that most don't qualify for. I just find it hard to accept that All caucasian people have enough money to put themselves through school without some sory of scholarship. I myself, as an example, make good grades in college, and work as well, either my parents make too much for me to qualify for financial aid or grants or I don't stand up against the other caucasian candidates vying for that same scholarship, or I will apply for a $500 scholarship, which means I would need to apply for 50 of those scholarships. I just don't think it's fair. And again, no offense to anyone of a different ethnicity who recieves scholarships based on their race.
-Becca
This is an issue that I feel very strongly about, simply because it's unfair. I mean, I understand that the rich old white men that fund this type of thing are trying to "right slavery" and all of our other past prejudices by giving minorites money simply for being minorities, and I don't mean any offense either, but I know where you're coming from. Scholarships should be based SOLELY on NEED, not on your age, race, gender, or religious affiliation. It should simply come down to how much money you/your family makes and how much of that will be available to put towards your schooling.
Now, of course, essay competitions are another story, but those are normally the $500 ones you were talking about that anyone can enter and actually have a fair shot at winning.
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"Scholarships should be based SOLELY on NEED, not on your age, race, gender, or religious affiliation."
Why not? Someone is BOUND to fall into some type of category one way or another, so does it really matter in the end? If you aren't black you're Jewish, if you're not Jewish, you're a woman, if you're not a woman, you plan to be an Engineering major. There's something out there for everyone. I really wish people would stop complaining.
your wrong jorden because im a caucasion women who have not gottone any funding all because of that fact. SO WHAT CATEGORY DO FALL IN? because i have tried to get funding!
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The funds are out there. It's just someone else is winning them. I'm a black woman. Just because I'm black doesn't mean I'm hiding a bundle of money from all the white people. The money is out there, you just have to search for it. There are all kinds of crazy scholarships and grants out there. I've seen them. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. It's called taking a chance on things. You're bound to win something sometimes. Maybe even the big stuff. You never know.
you quoted my comment, and didnt even address what the quote was saying. my point is that they shouldnt be offering scholarships based on race, they should take that money and give it to everyone of ALL races that NEED it. it doesnt mean that people in those categories should be exempt, it just means that they should have to compete with people other than in their own race or class distinction.
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"my point is that they shouldnt be offering scholarships based on race"
And MY point was, why not? I still don't see the problem.
The problem is it's not FAIR. To me, it perpetuates racism by saying that this race is better than that race because they get offered more scholarship money.
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Scholarships are based on more than race, and I do not think it perpetuates racism, as the definition of racism is believing that your race is better than another (and is usually fueled by a despicable hate, not simply dislike or ignorance). The entire black community does not believe they're "better" than anyone else, and I'm sure white people don't believe black people are better than them. As I've already stated, there are scholarships for ALL types of things. Not only that, but I've also seen plenty of scholarships that could go to ANYONE regardless of race, religion, sex, job skills, field of study, etc.
As I've said already, someone is bound to fall into some category at some point, so I think it's a bit of a stretch to say scholarships based on race are unfair when there are scholarships based on lots of things.
I know that scholarships are based on more than race, but once again, read the original post, that is what she was talking about. She didn't address other types of scholarships, so I didn't factor them into my argument. And just because you fall into a "category" doesn't mean you should be excluded from certain types of scholarship money.
And I know that there are scholarships that anyone can compete for, and what I'm saying is why can't more scholarships be in that format? Instead of restricting the applicants based on race, religion, or anything like that, these scholarships should be open to everyone, in my opinion.
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"She didn't address other types of scholarships, so I didn't factor them into my argument."
So just because SHE doesn't talk about them they shouldn't be talked about? And if we were talking about stem cell research and the OP talked about the Bible I wouldn't be justified in mentioning the scientific studies she DIDN'T mention? Oh please. Just because she chooses to ignore that scholarships based on race aren't the only ones out there doesn't mean I can't mention them in my argument. *rolls eyes*
"And I know that there are scholarships that anyone can compete for, and what I'm saying is why can't more scholarships be in that format?"
And what I'm saying is why should they? Why when scholarships based on a specific category really aren't all that "excluding"? I'm not saying there's something wrong with more scholarships that aren't based on anything, but what I don't understand is the idea that it's somehow unfair. What I DO think is unfair is the presumption that if a person is white they aren't in need of money. THAT'S unfair. But there are plenty of scholarships for all types of people out there, and most people fall into more than one category, whether they get scholarships based on need, academic merit (including volunteer work and extracurricular activity), or a specific group of people. So I don't understand how scholarships based on race are unfair.
Scholarships should be based SOLELY on NEED
I respectfully disagree. I think scholarships should be based on a number of qualifiers. Need should obviously be the most important, but what about people whose parents can afford to send them to college, but won't? Financial Aid documents are going to show that these people have the money available to them (the FAFSA still asks for your parents information in grad school, unless, I think, you are married). What about people that could afford to pay for all of college, but it would put a serious strain on their pockets. Shouldn't they be allowed to get something to lighten the load, even a little bit?
Also, what about the people who are unlikely to succeed in college? Should people who made a D average in high school, somehow managed to graduate, and now wants to go to college be given unlimited numbers of scholarships because they have a financial need?
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You make a good point about different financial circumstances. As for the parents who don't want to pay for college, though, I think colleges are taking that more and more into consideration, because when I filled out my financial aid application for my school, it asks how much of your parents income is spent on you and your siblings. But that may just be my school.
My main point was that need should be the major equalizer, not race.
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I agree to an extent....because i'm part of a minority and even so theres still thousands of people you have to compete with to get the money. It would be a lot easier if they just saw how broke we were and gave it to us.... However, it couldnt be given to us in attempt to " ' Right Slavery ' " because there are only a couple of minority groups that have undergone slavery....and quite a few that are eligible for scholarships based on belonging to a minority group.
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I don't necessarily agree that all scholarships should be based on need, but the whole scholarship system is indeed flawed. I have applied for scholarships before and then checked back to read the winner's essay, which read something along the lines of, "I want to go to college so I can support my family. We immigrated to America from a war-torn country where we lived on less than $3 a month." Obviously someone like that deserves scholarship money, but there's no way most of us could compete with that. It seems to me like all financial need from the college should be truly need-based (which it isn't, even if it claims to be) and scholarships should exist for that extra boost.
People are always talking about how race shouldn't matter...how we should all be colorblind. But we're not, because this sort of thing is happening.
You can thank affirmative action and all it's 'good' for your plight.
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Did you call the people and ask why? Did you bother to get an answer? Or did you just assume? You never know, maybe there might have been a mistake, maybe you could tell then your situation...you'll never know until you ask right? I'm black and I've NEVER gotten any money based on my race, I have to take out loans, and apply for different things like everyone else because accepting a scholarship based on race is something that I will not be apart of. But ask the people, find out why, maybe you can change things. It seems people never think about that...
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You didn't get the money because you didn't apply. If you search, not even very hard either, you will find scholarships that say something like "black leaders of america" or something to that effect, basically scholarships that you can win simply because of your race. and i dont mean any offense to you, but that's wrong in my opinion. why cant that money be offered to ALL races?
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What the hell? I did find scholarships like that and I'm sure I could have gotten it but I said I didn't apply because I think that its wrong...WRONG. And I will not be a part of it. Next time read my reply ok?
Submitted by npsm18 on Mon, 04/16/2007 - 8:43am.
"...because accepting a scholarship based on race is something that I will not be apart of."
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Okay, I misread that part, my bad.
But then what was the point of your original reply? It sounded like you were saying that there weren't scholarships only available for African Americans, which there are. I commend you for not perpetuating that system by not applying, but then why would you disagree when Becca says it's unfair that she can't get scholarships because she's white? It's a double standard, is it not?
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I didn't disagre, I simply asked why did you ask the people who were offering instead of going "Oh well I'm not black or whatever so I can't apply" You never know they might have made an exception for her or she could have asked why do they used race based scholarships, maybe she could have done something to stop it.
And once again I think that scholarships based on race isn't fair but you have to know why they were in place in the first place.So do something and not just sit back and say oh well... thats what I was trying to say. :)
P.S. I don't like any type of double standard...they suck :)
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You said that if he would look he woudlve found it.. However if you were to look you would realize that there are plenty of scholarships that are based on everything but race...from first in the fam to go to college to being left handed, do those seem unfair to you? If your answer is no i would like to know why... What makes a person so special because they can pick up a pen and do what you do with your right hand? Or what about a scholarship for sports...and maybe youre not athletic at all, they all seem to exclude someone at one time or another. Theres really nothing that can be done about it...if you look at all scholarships they are given because you can do something that someone else cant, or you are something that someone else isnt, you take part in something that most people dont, it singles out types of people, t ypes of talents, types of backgrounds, so if all of you are upset because of minority scholarships why not get angry because your friend got 10000 because his dad went to the same school he's applying for?? i dont understand the frustration.
I just think it sucks when they only award one person when they know 100000 people are going to apply...and when we look at it in this way, then needs based would be a much better way to grant scholarships.
But then that means that 95000 out of that 100000 really need the money which splits the 10000 dollar prize amongst those in need and lets calculate that shall we... its nothing...
So raise the prize amount you say? And where are the organizations getting the money? Well lets see...the government gets it from our taxes so i guess we can just raise those even higher! Which in the long run will be taking the money out of yours and your parents pockets, when you couldve just put it in a savings account....and i guess the charities and special organizations could just rip the money out of their own personal accounts...
You people arent looking at the logic in the basis of division for scholarships. They are all divided...because they need to be. The average american is too broke to send their kid to college and if it were needs based and you follow the cycle, you'd see that we're just too broke of a country to pay ( or shall i say give away) all of our educations.
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I don't think it's race that makes it hard to qualify for scholarships. There are a lot of families who fall into that category of not making enough money to comfortably pay for college, but not making too little money to qualify for enough financial aid.
It's hard for everyone who isn't rich to make it through college without a large pile of debt. It's a serious issue that this country needs to deal with. There are many universities, such as Harvard and Yale, who have massive endowments - enough money to pay for every single student to attend their school. [This is fact, not just my opinion]. There should be more financial for everyone, not just white students.
I wasn't saying that white people should necessary get more and minorities get less, I'm saying that scholarships should be available to everyone equally, and be distributed based on need. I think that would allow a fairer distribution to those who need it, no matter what race you are.
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What if its based on grades? Lets say a rich person has the top grades so they get the scholarship. Should the school take it away just because they don't need it like the rest of us? I think we are focusing on this one thing so much we forget about everything else. At least thats my theory
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Yes, we're getting hung up on the race aspect because that's what her post was about. I'm not denying the fact that there are fair scholarships out there, but I'm also acknowledging the fact that the ones that are unfair are the ones based on race, and that the money could go to people of ALL races, making them more fair.
Yes, grades should also be equally configured into it, but my point is that there are so many other criteria for deciding who gets what money, why does race have to be a factor?
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Once again, look at history thats why there are scholarsips like that. BUT since its 2007 race should not be a factor at all, I agree. And I know that wasnt what the post was about, I was replying to dwarfcricket, I made the mistake and pressed the wrong reply button sorry :)
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Okay, I get it now. Thanks for clearing that up.
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I am currently searching for scholarships and i am Caucasian. Minorities get unbelievably more scholarships than the "white American".
Jennie.
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Seriously. Not to be rude...and id hate to start my whole speech again..so just read what i said before.
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Scholarships aren't fair yeah we know that but understand scholarships generally come from private funds i.e. not government money therefore they can make it as biased or limited as they want it is after all their money. Anyone can make a scholarship for anything like have one limited to people that have different color eyes are left handed and have read some unknown book. It doesn't matter because it is their money they give it away how they want to.
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Your right some are not fair. They simply look at your GPA and not what kind of person you are. Many students take challenging classes and do not get as good of grades as those who take lame classes and get straight A's. I understand it just isn't fair sometimes.
I do understand your point of view. However there are scholarships for women out there - I have found some myself (i do not qualify because of ethnicity even though I am not white, not all ethnicities other than caucasian are covered by scholarships). I also happen to agree that maybe its time to distinguish white peop[le who are bad and those who are good. Not all white people today are racist or sexist. I think there nerd to be more scholarships out there just for open minded people. I also think that more scholarships for the disabled are needed-most of the ones Ive found assume one has been in the military and that is not true of all of us. There are gaps, there are definite gaps in the scholarship openings. I'm going to have to pay for grad school on my own with little chanced of saving since I am on disability and after four months of looking for scholarships im still not sure that I'm going to get to go to grad school. You could try for scholarships that require low income - the ones i've seen don't seem to care who you are as long as you have financial need.