What an interesting turn in events. I absolutely hate this person I am about to quote. I actually use him in quite a few of my "homosexual" papers as the "other side." But, even with all his right-wing, evangelical rantings he makes a couple of good points for everyone to consider, one just has to ignore his other nonsensical remonstrations. Albert Mohler has written an article entitled, "Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?" -- http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=891 -- Being gay myself, I found myself in an interesting predicament when coming across this article. I am pro-choice, but the question I have to ask myself is, "Would I be just as pro-choice if I knew people were aborting their baby just because they found out their unborn was gay?"
I do not agree with this guy on almost everything he stands for, but Mohler points out in his article, 1) that "Christians must be very careful not to claim that science can never prove a biological basis for sexual orientation." and 2) "We must fight against the idea of aborting fetuses or human embryos identified as homosexual in orientation."
Would it be right to abort a child based on a diagnosis of homsexuality? Would you do it? And I would be highly interested in knowing what religious background you are if you choose to answer this post. I will dive deeper into investigating this topic of humanitarian concern.
I really am very interested in responses from you -- not sure what you think, but I know I now have some serious thinking to do.
Wow. I can honestly say that is one of the hardest questions to answer I've heard in a long time. It really makes me think about myself as a person. Yikes.
Well, after pondering this, first I have to say what a great question.
Second, I don't think I would.
I mean, in all honesty, at first I was thinking it would save the child from the heartache of ridicule and constant scrutiny and discrimination.
But then I had to think, how would I feel if after a certain age I found out that my parents altered me to not be gay. Would I view them the same way? Or would I view them as bigots? Would I believe that they did this for my benefit? Or were they just worried about how my being gay would somehow reflect on them?
I don't think I could live with myself if my children ever had to question my love for them because of a decision like this; so I think I would just let the child be born and raise him or her with all the love I could.
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I like homosexuals. I think we should make as many as possible so that the existing homosexuals aren't driven further into the margin of society by ever-shrinking numbers.
If my child were gay, it wouldn't make a bit of difference to me. He or she would still be my child, he or she would still have just as much love and would always have a home and parents to turn too. I would not want my child any less because he was gay.
It is incredibly sad that it would even be an option for some people. I imagine those very same people would not abort if it was discovered that their child had a birth defect such as spina bifida. Neither is something the child had any control over, why try to change it because it doesn't please you? Do you try to change your child's eye color, height, etc?
And as for your religious question, I'm Pagan.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
"May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind be always at your back. May the warm rays of the sun fall upon your home."
I'm a Christian. A common Christian belief is that people who are gay are not born that way; rather, it is a choice. (Please don't argue with me on that, not looking for a fight, just stating a fact about what some believe.)
If I had a child that chose homosexuality, I would NOT love him or her any less. They're my child, and while their sexual orientation may not be something I agree with, loving them less or disowning them is out of the question.
I'm not going to pick a fight; however, did you read the article. Mohler is a big time religious guy and the point I was making is I have used this guy as the one who is always agains homosexuality because it's a choice...thing. But now he's doing a 180 because the scientific studies are beginning to prove that it very well could be genetic. Of course they haven't yet, but I'm sure it's just a matter of time. Plus you might like the article for he goes on to say that regardless of whether it's a choice or genetic, it's still wrong. Of course I'm gay and being gay I have to say, I truely do not understand why it matters either way. I understand christians believe it's wrong (for the most part) but does it really matter whether it's a choice or genetic. Does that make it go away? Does it make it better for people of faith to accept? I'm gay and I CHOOSE to accept that I was GENETICALLY predisposed to be this way. lol. OK enough of my rant.
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I agree that it would be nice to save a child from that kind o ridicule in life. Kids (and hell, adults too) can be torturous about anything that's different. That said, I absolutley would not alter the natural orientation of my child. I went through a lot of ridicule as a kid of just plain being different (not gay). Being teased and picked on can help a person be a better human being. As terrible as it was for me I'm glad I went through it. It made me undersstand people better.
As a "pro-choicer" I support abortion for pretty much any reason. As frivolous and stupid as it is to abort a fetus based on sexual orientation, it isn't a person yet and you can do whatever you want with it. If you can abort a fetus because you don't want a child, why not be able to abort a fetus because you don't want a child who will probably be gay.
While a few Christians could wiggle into a philosophical place where abortion is okay if the baby is gay, not many could, and most pro-choicers are fine with homosexuality. Plus the flip side of the coin is that parents could abort babies who were likely to be straight just as easily as parents could abort gay babies.
Res ipsa loquitur.
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"it isn't a person yet and you can do whatever you want with it."
You can do whatever you want with it? Wow, just a big fat wow. -_-
That's pretty standard pro-choice philosophy stated more bluntly than usual. We don't regard the fetus as a baby until it can be born live and we support the choice to cease its development when a mother feels that it is appropriate. That pretty much leaves the unwanted fetus open for pretty much anything in my mind.
Res ipsa loquitur.
memor mori, mahalo.
yes i'd make him/her strait. ever though alt-lifestyles are becoming more acceptable i think.there is still a stigma and bad attitude towards it by many. I could care less what you are but i wouldnt want to raise a kid into that kind of environment of teasing etc by other kids
Every child gets teased, regardless of whether they are gay...I got torturd all through middle school for being "flat"...8 years later, I have the last laugh.
If a child is going to be gay, let them be gay--contrary to popular christian belief, homosexuality is NOT a disease or disorder, it's just who a person is, similar to hair color in my opinion. I know many gay people who have had much success in their lives, with school, work, and relationships.
Being able to change it is only going to further the idea that it's wrong or bad, increasing the stigma and the bullying...if people would know and just accept it, maybe it iwll help society become more accepting of gays. To be perfectly honest, I don't know why people even care so much...
People need to be less concerned with who every one is sleeping with these days.
I wouldn't abort a child if he/she were gay. #1, being gay is not a disease, it is a way of life, and we should respect it, #2, every person has the right to live, no matter his/her sexual orientation... yet that baby will go through a lot of discrimination and pain, is it worth it? I think it is, plus, I do not believe that becoming gay is somehting that occurs since birth, I think it also depends on the childhood, right?
I would simply choose not to know. Knowing that your child may be gay later on isn't something that I would want to know before they were born. I would want to wait and find out later, when they want to tell me.
I think it's rediculous that people are creating these designer babies with the traits they want in their kid. Just let your kid be who they are, don't pick it for them.
~Jax
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After talking to some of my friends about it, I'm more inclined to say no, but I think that it is a very difficult question.
I'm not crazy about the idea of customized babies and I don't think that I would want to do a test to determine the sexuality to begin with. Would I want my child to suffer more because he/she was not considered "normal"? Of course not, but as Fanaile Essence mentioned, I also would never want for my child to feel that I would not have loved him/her because of sexual orientation.
I'm Southern Baptist, by the way.
Speaking completely honestly, I don't know. I'd like to think that it wouldn't matter to me, but I don't know how I'd react. Similarly, I don't know what I'd do if I knew my child was going to have a genetic disease, or what I would do if it turned out that I had the genes predisposing me for Breast Cancer (whether or not I'd choose to chance it, or get rid of my breasts and hope I don't get it).
I think I'd just prefer not knowing, at least about this specific case.
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How very interesting. I am not for abortion, but that doesn't mean that I will hate someone who aborts. There are perfectly good reasons to abort, such as a fetus that will be stillborn or if the pregancy is extremely high risk. However, as I pointed out in my first blog, abortion becomes an issue of responsibility in all the other cases.
I find it sad that someone would go through all the trouble of being pregnant, find out their child may be gay, and then suddenly decide to abort it. It really would be a shame because not all tests are one hundred percent positive and what would really happen would be a decision based on a theory, more or less.
Will_I-Am
For those of you saying "I wouldn't want my child to be ridiculed", your kid will get picked on, no matter what. Every single child gets picked on for something; glasses, hair, clothes, looks, body, what they have, what they don't have, intelligence...you might as well just not have a kid if you're going to worry about them getting picked on. As I said, I was tormented in middle school for being flat chested...from K-5, I was in a small catholic school and had one friend, and came home crying literally every single day in 5th grade until my mom put me in public school--i was tortured by several girls, and to this day I still know their names--im 21. It happens, and by changing the outcome (if you know anyway), you are allowing it to happen, saying it will continue to happen. Make a stand, raise a child who won't take the bullying, make a diffrence. Show the world that you will not allow "bullies" to define who your child is.
That's just my take on it. I personally wouldn't mind if my child was gay/lesbian...there are far worse things like cancer, aids, chronic diseases, disabilities...hey, your hetero child might grow up and marry someone you hate...is there a difference, really?
Homosexuality at its heart is a Nature vs. Nurture Debate. Thus implicit in this hypothetical scenario is the implication that homosexuality is based on Nature; or predetermined. I'm not su
For the sake of this hypothetical:
If I knew my child would be gay I would not abort them. That would be inherently wrong, in my view that would be like seeing a gay person and deciding to kill them on the spot because of their sexual orientation. Love of one's child is blind. A father loves his child despite what he chooses to do with his life. If a child becomes a druggie, the family still loves that child; the notion that because a child is gay they should be shunned by their parents is a crime against nature. They are your child and just because your beliefs may conflict with theirs is not justification to kill them off.
I dont agree with homosexual practices, but it is not my place to critisize their beliefs, because I dont understand them because I come from an opposing set of beliefs. I myself am biased. I am not homosexual; therefore I can never understand their belief system. The negative feelings about homosexuality are culturally based and a result of a discomfort with homosexuality. If a person is gay and happy being with another man, let them be happy. Its a free country and we should not discriminate on these people because we are uncomfortable with that orientation. It their life not ours.
A question I find my self asking is this really what all of you think (with the exception of few) or is it similar to this polling concept: The one that says, ok, hypothetically, 70% of people are ready for a woman/black president and SAY they would vote for one -- but when it comes down to it they wouldn't REALLY vote for one. Does that make sense? I think more people would abort if they knew. Maybe that's a bit of the realist in me.
Oh, and the reasoning about being teased and ridiculed and discriminated against -- that's B.S. Like someone said before, kids tease, they will find any excuse, if your child is not gay, they'll be teased for some other reason.
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I think I would still be an advocate of "pro-choice" or "anti-life", depending on how you look at it. I think that the decision remains the mothers regardless of the reasoning.
I love my gay friends to death, but any parent that would abort the child because of his/her predetermined libido wouldn't have been a good parent to begin with. I think that to be a good parent you have to be open to anything that your child may/may not think and you have to accept them. You have to be able to talk openly, and any parent that would abort a fetus based on sexuality is not going to be able to do that.
I still maintain that I am pro-choice there are conditions where an abortion is an option. Rape. Incest. Financial situation of the couple. Danger to mother/fetus if birthed. It all should be about the best thing for the child AND the mother. It's her body that gets torn to hell, anyways.
I am seeing a lot of arguments that they would love their child whether they were gay or straight, but they would rather them be straight in order to "save them from the social stigma that attaches to being a homosexual." I honestly have to laugh at this half-ass answer. I feel that many of you who are saying it are honestly not okay with homosexuality, but want people to think that you are. If you were okay with homosexuality, you would want to change how society views gay, lesbian, or bisexual people, not continue it. Aborting a child because they are homosexual because you feel that it would relieve them from having the stresses attached to it just keeps the cycle of discrimination going. What we really need to do is change how homosexuals are treated in this society.
Is it even a question that needs to be asked? No, a child should be kept the way it was created. No alterations, period! Society needs to become more tolerant of the new generation of people. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a person who likes the same sex. Why would you want to potentially mess your child up mentally for good? What if the procedure didn't work all the way or somewhere down the line the child found out about this pre-existence decision. What would say or do? It could even cause worse outcomes than the original result would have been. What if it brain damages your child? Is that better than a child who could be perfectly fine health wise, but doesn't meet approval of society for their sexual orientation. If you're only thinking about how it will make you look as their parent.....don't be one you aren't ready. Children are wonderful, as they are!!!
First of all, I'd like to point out that I am a Christian, although you may not believe that after reading this.
I am pro-choice because I don't believe the government should have the right to define our morals. I don't personally think that it would be right to abort a fetus because of its sexual orientation, but I also believe it's important for everyone to have the right to decide that for themselves.
Personally, I would not abort a fetus because of its sexuality, in fact I would not even have the desire to know whether my unborn child was going to be homosexual or heterosexual. Regardless of the sexual orientation of any child I might have, I intend to support them. I do not believe homosexuality is a choice and I also do not believe it is unnatural or wrong. I also agree with the previous response, that our society's treatment of homosexuality needs to change.
I am a christian, and as one other has pointed out I believe it is a choice, we may be born with blonde hair and can not change our natural hair color, but we are born knowing nothing. The things we believe and feel come fromour experiences and knowhow from imitation and so on from others. We can look at another girl training my thoughts to want her just like we do with pain. If we want to like something chances are we will. I'm in a Sociology class and they say a lot of things have to do with both genetics and environment, but the process we think in is genetics, the thoughts itself is environment. But I really liked your question it was the best one I've seen yet. I rated you a 5. And just because my child would be gay doesn't mean I would love him/her any less and I wouldn't want to change something that made them happy. But it is tough because I believe being gay is a sin and for that they might go to hell. That is the last thing I want to happen to anybody.
how this could in any way, shape, or form be a "difficult decision" for anyone, whether "pro-gay" or "anti-gay" (or whatever other terms there are out there). I cannot comprehend how the idea of altering someone's sexual orientation (or any other trait) makes someone think "should I?" or "shouldn't I?". I pity anyone who feels that way. I would never change my child's sexual orientation (or any other trait for that matter).
This was part of the reason I wrote this blog. It is thought provoking. Why? Because homosexuality is still a very taboo subject for many, as is abortion. There is no actual evidence that can prove that homosexuality is genetic; however, that will be proven in the not too distant future. The real issue is not whether it is a choice or genetic, it is what it is and people will live with it or not, as is evident in these comments. I can just hope for the sake of my children and my children's children, etcetera that acceptance will continue to grow for those of us who DO NOT cause others harm. We are gay, we are not monsters. We love, we die, we breathe, we cry, we fart, we get mad, we get depressed, some are religious, some are not, we are young, we are old, no different than anyone else.
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how could someone kill a life just for being unique and well it is not their fault so why should they have to make the ultimate sacrafice for something they have no controll over i mean it is wrong to judge and well by killing a baby just because it is homosexual thats being VERY judgemintal and just WRONG <3 <3 <3
I don't believe in abortion. My wife and I have had a difficult time with this very topic: the hereditary nature of homosexuality. Of course, since there is more to the psychological in reference to homosexuality, I'm sure we're ok (I was questioning for a period). If, however, I knew that my wife was going to birth a homosexual, I would prepare for its training and conversion, in the hopes that it would abandon such sexual perversion and sin as soon as possible. I can't say I wouldn't love my son or daughter less. I think I probably would. I don't love my mother very much, she's a cruel, hateful woman. She's outside of the church, and I find it hard to be loving towards her. I think it would be the same scenario with a gay child.
> I would prepare for its training and conversion, in the
> hopes that it would abandon such sexual perversion and sin
> as soon as possible.
This is a terrible, ignorant and frankly PRIMITIVE thing to say, and I hope that you never have a gay child, so that you will never have the opportunity to act out this plan of abuse.
percivale
Just so you don't feel left out, I understand how you are thinking this. Being gay is a sin and your child WILL go to hell. Now if I could change that I would. I do not wish this apon anyone. They are right, being gay doesn't hurt anyone else besides themselves and the people they influence. People do forget that influences harm peole more than cancer does. Influences and how you let them affect your life will determine where you end up, not just on this earth but also after you pass. We all harm people at one time or another. But to say again ALL people who are sinners who do not have God WILL die and willnot have have eternal life, and if you are gay that is an abomination and a lifesytle of sin which will end in HELL. But that does not mean we will love them any less. I have a hard time loving people who are mean to me but I still love all people. I would very much be sad for my child and try to teach them what I believe is right, but this is all you can do. We should never have the power to alter anything in people. We will be very irresponsible
> Just so you don't feel left out, I understand
> how you are thinking this. Being gay is a sin
> and your child WILL go to hell.
What differentiates a fanatic from an otherwise reasonable believer is the absolute refusal to accept even the QUESTION of fallacy.
percivale
I'm sorry, but that seems a bit dismissive. Could it be possible that after having explored the option or possibility of fallacy that a believe simply feels that there is none? More pertainant to your loaded response is your immovable belief in the complete fallacy of the scriptures. Now that, litte munchkins, is a fanatic of a different colour.
...when you come up with the FIRST bit of objective evidence that the place referred to as "hell" acutally exists.
I am willing to re-evaluate my beliefs at any time. All you have to do is come up with some sort of actual evidence that suggests that I might be wrong. There is nothing fanatical about having a stong belief. But when you categorically exclude any other possibilty, you ARE a fanatic, more or less by definition.
FANATIC - a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fanatic
When someone says something like, "you WILL go to hell," they're speaking as a fanatic. If that criticism bothers you, then it is likely that you have fallen prey to the same fanatical thoughts.
percivale
Just so you don't feel left out, I understand how you are thinking this. Being gay is a sin and your child WILL go to hell.
But lying is a sin too. I'm sure you've lied a few times in your life. Does that mean you're going to hell too?
We all harm people at one time or another. But to say again ALL people who are sinners who do not have God WILL die and willnot have have eternal life
And what if the gay person does have God? Are they still going to hell?
if you are gay that is an abomination and a lifesytle of sin which will end in HELL.
Oh, well that clears that up. Good to know you're playing God and assuring that all gays will go to hell. I'll remember to refer my friends to you so that you can judge their OTHER sins as well.
Good day.
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All sin IS equal in the sight of God. Be it lying, adultery, murder, or thinking dirty things about Paris Hilton, sin is sin. The wages of sin, according to Romans 3:23, is death. That means that the moment you committed your first sin, you were condemned to physical and spiritual death. However, we are made the offer by God of salvation through Christ in the form of baptism. of course, proceeding baptism is the requirement that all illicit behaviors cease. that means no pederesty.
no soup fo' you!
Everything you're arguing relies on something that not everyone believes in.
It's not like it's some logical fact that God exists, and while I respect your right to believe in it, I think that when it comes to judging certain people, it should be based on some logical reasoning-- i.e. murder is wrong; that person killed someone else; I don't want to eat dinner wih them--, not the espousals of a text whose meaning has likely been lost in translation.
oh come on, how could you POSSIBLY arrive to that conclusion? Murder isn't wrong? It's instinctive, right? just like a man putting his penis into another man's anus? by your litmus, there is no right or wrong, but you make it. I therefore declare doughnuts not containing jelly filing to be immoral.
Actually, what you really mean to say--but are too afraid of its implications--is that logic can be borne in a variety of degrees and vains. logic is not universal, because reasoning is not universal. thus, the diferenciation in language and hygenic habits, unless you as a non-muslim are willing to tell me you douche after you use the toilet. Didn't think so. It's quite simple. the moral fabric that is threaded through the mechanics of a christian's logic are different and equal to those of a none believing, hell-bound sinner.
a question on translation, do you trust the veracity and translation of the Qur'an? how about the baghavad gita? no? didn't think so.
The Bible advocates the death penalty while in the same book saying "Thou shalt not murder".
Do you advocate the death penalty? How about killing in self defense?
I'm not sure what you're saying in the rest of your statement, and my eyes are hurting now, so I'm not going to try to figure it out.
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Um, well, murder and killing are two different things, kind of like fornication and adultery. murder requires malicious intent, while killing is simply the cesation of life, like that perpetrated upon a smelly opossum with my riffle. And in the NT, we are taught to obey our government, and pray that they may rule in such a fashion that we may live peacable, quiet lives.
There is no purpose to rid of a human. If I were to even have a child who was missing body parts, I would never rid of them. All these people have a potential of making something great in the world. Why would someone rid of someone just because? If I were a woman, I would have any child that was mine. It doesn't matter about orientation, appearances, or anything that might be "abnormal" to others; they are still a living thing and deserve equality and respect. In fact, ridding of people takes life away. Isn't all life sacred? It is a miracle that we even are alive, that we can even have children! We should not throw away such miracles as if it were a styrofoam container! think of it as throwing away a piece of one's self. Whether a fetus or human, isn't the living thing still a part of the bearer? To remove it is just as if you were to remove a limb from your body! would you cut off a part of your body just for the heck of it?
Plus what makes people think that sexual orientation has to do with a person as a whole? That is only a billionth of a fraction or so of who that person is.
By the way... it is not a sin to be homosexual. It is merely a sin if one has intercourse with one of the same gender, according to the Bible. That is what I have read anyways.
Oh good, you can homosexual, but you can't do anything about it. That won't lead to violent repression or anything. THose Catholic priests who can't have sex are dealing with it just fine.
Being able to express yourself sexually is a huge part of living a healthy mental life. It is one of the main drives of the entire biological world. Whether that urge is pushed towards homo or heterosexuality it needs to be expressed somehow, not repressed. Repressed sexuality makes for fucked up people.
Res ipsa loquitur.
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I am not saying that I would tell them not to be. I would let them live as who they are. They can make their own choices. It doesn't bother me. I didn't say anything about telling them that they couldn't have intercourse, I was merely stating what the bible said in response to someone else's statement.
And I am responding to that thought, not attacking you.
Res ipsa loquitur.
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Actually, at least in the OT, there's only laws against males having sex with other males. No mention of female homosexuality. Just saying.
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Great question. Although, if my child were to be born gay, I know that they would go through a life full of hate and persecution I don't think I would abort the pregnancy or alter it in any way. I wouldn't be able to. I wish that homosexuals were more accepted in society and that they were given equal rights because they are equal human beings. I understand the hard life one would have if he/she were gay, but instead of aborting my baby (and I am pro-choice), I would have to fight to make the world more accepting of him/her. It's not fair, and I wish our society would see that.
I'm not a very religious person. I grew up in a catholic/christian home where everyone is pro-life. My christian father and I would always get into arguments when he would tell me that homosexuality is wrong and that these people are going to hell because the bible says so. My catholic mother thinks it's imoral, but really doesn't say much on the issue, and sometimes that's just as bad as an argument. I'm straight, but I believe all people were made equal and should be treated as such. I guess because of my upbringing and the hate that I've seen coming from christians I do not consider myself at all christian. I can't associate myself with a religion that hates others. I guess you could say I'm agnostic. I don't doubt some of what the bible says, but I also don't believe it.
Good luck on your research.
For me this is not a hard question at all. NO i would not abort the human being living inside of me for 9 months if i found it was infact gay. I mean i wouldnt even kill my child if it has a severe mental illness. (Not that i am comapring being gay to being a mental illness)
But i am christian, and i do not think it is my choice to decide the fate of someone elses life, even if it is apart of me.
Obvioudly if i had to choose, i would choose for my child to be strait because of the fact that he/she would live a more normal and easird life with no discrimination; but then again what parent would want that for their child.
this is a very intersting post though.
I would like my child to be whatever they want to be. As long as the one they choose treat them right.
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I am a Christian and I believe it would be inhumane to abort a child based on a diagnosis of homosexuality. I would not even consider it. I was taught to LOVE rather than hate or discriminate. I am pro-life, therefore, I do not believe that any mother (or any human being as a matter of fact) has the authority to decide whether or not an innocent unborn child should live or die. Unless giving birth to the baby will endanger the life of the mother or the baby or both, abortion should not even be an option. I do not believe there are any other tenable justifications for aborting an unborn baby. A diagnosis of homosexuality is an exceptionally absurd justification for abortion.
You have some really good questions. I keep wondering the same things..
Parents should love their children no matter their sexual orientation. It boggles my mind that some parents can't support their homosexual child, but could be supportive if their child was a murderer. I don't agree with abortion in most cases anyway, and I think it is stupid to want to abort a child based on sexuality. Homosexuality is not a hindrance to a happy life. It is not a disease. Our society seems to only value perfect babies, and that is really upsetting.
I am selectively pro-choice. Being gay myself, my first response to this was "Hell, no!" I mean, honestly. That's like aborting your fetus because it will like 60's music. It may not be a good choice in everyones' eyes, but it's not going to cause the child harm.
Still, is it the mother's choice? What constitutes "pro-choice"? I think the mother can decide. It's her body. I guess I'd just hope that anyone stupid enough to abort their child on grounds of sexual orientation would also be kind enough to remove themselves from the gene pool completely.
Mind you, I don't believe that homosexuality is caused completely by genetic factors, but still, quite the topic.
I was raised in a Catholic family, but I have to say I have my own interpretation of the faith. Yes, Jesus had some really neat things to say, but remember - the Bible was written by humans, as were all religious texts, and contains the views of the original authors, with their own interpretations of what was said by who. I honestly believe that if Jesus was here today, he would befriend homosexuals, just as he befriended prostitutes and lepers.
That being said, I personally would never abort a child, even though I would only ever become pregnant through rape. I've been molested enough that I find a certain part of the male anatomy disgusting and cannot have anything to do with it, and cannot engage in the act that would result in pregnancy. However, I see no problem with homosexuality, and would never deem that a good reason to abort a child. I am fortunatly strong enough that I would be able to manage having and loving a child regardless of how it was concieved or what its preferences were.
As for the bullying argument, I was teased for almost everything in school: being smart, being teacher's pet, wearing glasses, wearing a bra (I was nine), developing early, and anything else people could think of. Kids are cruel, and they'll always get teased. The only way we can prevent it is to raise our children to understand how cruel words can hurt other's feelings so that they won't bully others.
> I honestly believe that if Jesus was here today,
> he would befriend homosexuals, just as he befriended
> prostitutes and lepers.
While I think you were trying to make a positive comment, I really have to say that this kind of comparison is monumentally offensive.
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Well, unfortunately, homosexuals are looked down upon today. They shouldn't be, but they are. I find it difficult to believe people who call themselves Christians, yet hate homosexuals. After all, Jesus said to love everybody as yourself, whether you agreee with them or not.
...why your comment was so offensive.
What if I said, "Jesus would probably like to hang out with modern christians, just like he would with mass murderers, thieves and corrupt politicians?" The implied premise of your comment seems to be that being gay is like having a disease, and even though the comment was backhanded it still supports this ignorant and frankly baseless belief.
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I apologize, that's not what I meant. I meant that Jesus would befriend these people who are looked down on by society for no reason.
...I figured the insult was unintentional. But, it goes to show just how ingrained this sort of bias can be.
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That is so true and so so very sad. I think the MAJORITY of people just believe whatever they hear without truly researching and/or questioning them and it reflects in comments like this. Don't get me wrong, I too, realize the comment was unintentional. However, this is what our society has become. :-( (with a few exceptions)
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http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ceila30
http://www.progressiveu.org/014405-if-you-could-make-your-unborn-straigh...
It's sad and annoying how true that is. I really don't see why people have to be so hateful to those who are different. It's pointless.
i'd love my children for who they are, but it would spare them some hurtful words and make their lives easier.
Not true. Kids will get teased no matter what. For being smart, for being stupid. For developing early, for deveoping late. For being gay, for being straight. For being fat, for being skinny. The only way to prevent your child being teased is to either 1) never let them have any human contact or 2) not have a kid at all.
I’m not sure if I would even want to know. I would rather have the child grow up and be whoever he or she was meant to be, without having to worry about wither or not i'm making a choice because I know if he is going to be straight or not.
What I do know is no matter what, I would love my child, because they are just that...mine.
P.S. I’m not every religious at all, I do not think religion should be involved in politics or restraining rights (I'm sorry if that offended anyone, it's just my personal belief)
Altering a fetus so that he it will be heterosexual would morally be like altering it so that it will be incapable of being attracted to someone of another race.
Interracial couples were treated negatively by the government 4O years ago and same sex couples are now. But most young people are not racist or homophobic there is a huge generation gap on those issues. Most of the people who will still be alive when the kid is grown will not treat them badly whether they are gay, straight or bi.
I think it is wrong to abort based on sexuality. I think that everyone should accept their child for who they are when they come out of the womb. God wants them to be that way for a reason. Everyone is different so accept it.