Defining "Progress"

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The name of this site, naturally, is "ProgressiveU," the implication being that it is a website primarily geared towards those who would be considered, or would consider themselves, "progressives." Being new here as I am, I'm not quite sure if that is the intended implication or not, but regardless of whether or not that is in fact the case, it gives rise to what I would consider to be a good question, one more than relevant for this website: How does one define "progress?"

Many would define that as entering into a new age of government intervention and societal reformation. By that I mean such things as universal healthcare, increases in taxation, legalization of abortion in virtually any circumstances, legalization of drugs, more government regulation of business, the expansion of government to provide more services to the people, what have you. The expansion of government and massive social changes, therefore, define what is "progress."

I would define "progress," however, in a different way; that is, in terms of slimming down the size and scope of government, decreasing government regulations on businesses and the individual, opening up to more personal freedom (though not at the expense of the elimination of a moral fabric), and dealing with the problems at hand in an effective manner which surrounds massive government reforms and limitations. By government reforms I don't mean more ethics reforms in the form of such things as campaign finance or the like. Rather, these reforms should surround the streamlining of government and efforts to make it more efficient; that means less wasteful spending, the eradication of useless federal programs, the dismantling of departments and agencies that can be done away with.

I would like to see "progress" in returning power to the marketplace and allowing the individual consumer more choice and businesses the freedom to carry out their work more effectively with that lessening of government regulation. "Progress" needs to happen on such issues as healthcare - and I don't mean through the expansion of government control, but through the exact opposite - illegal immigration, education, and entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare.

One might say that my definition of progress is "backwards" thinking, that I am a "reactionary" who wants to return to the days of the robber barons and abuse of the worker. I would, however, disagree with that assertion. Yes, conservatives like myself do look back to the days of smaller government with a strong sense of appreciation and some sense of longing, yet that does not mean that we are necessarily looking to return to the 1800s. Rather, we look towards the founding principles of this nation and a vision of restoring those principles to a new age of technological advancement and bigger government, the latter of which is a fact that we are forced to accept.

Progress, to us, is utilizing technology to make government more efficient and towards, yes, returning the country to an age of smaller government, yet doing so mindful of the government regulations upon which few disagree in terms of their significance and the intrinsic nature of things that can neither be eliminated over night nor changed to such an extent.

For instance, Ronald Reagan, fearful of an ever-expanding federal domination of education, sought to eliminate the Department of Education when it was in its infancy. He failed, however, and the DE began to grow substantially, culminating under President Bush with the No Child Left Behind Act. True conservatives such as myself would like to see the complete termination of the Department, yet most of us recognize that it has become so ingrained into our system that to eliminate it would be virtually impossible and perhaps harmful to the system. That is why, for instance, I advocate the substantial decrease in the power and authority of the DE so as to enable it to do little more than establish the most basic of standards and provide monetary support to the states (and students in the form of grants for education), thereby maintaining the fundamental fabric of our current education system while returning primary control to those who know the students best - the states, the school boards, and the parents, not bureaucrats in Washington, D.C. These states should then implement their own reforms, I believe instituting a wide-ranging voucher system similar to the one used in Belgium where the money is attached to the students and competition is spurred amongst the schools (a subject I will address in a future post).

When it comes to healthcare, another subject I will speak of later on, the fact of the matter is that the real reason healthcare costs are so high is because of the many government regulations which clog up the system and cause businesses to have to raise their costs in order to pay for the increased mandates placed upon them. It is also because of the third-party system we have in place as the result of government policies and regulations, essentially placing us into a situation where individuals work through a middleman in order to receive their services, and because of the inequality in the tax laws as they relate to health insurance for employers who provide it and those who have to purchase it on their own. Progress, therefore, is substantially decreasing the regulations placed upon businesses, ending the third-party system, and equalizing the tax laws so that everyone can receive health insurance coverage on an equal playing field, all while maintaining the most essential elements of government in the system, meaning the retention of the most critical regulations in the industry.

I could go on and on with further examples, but the central premise I'm getting at is that my idea of progress, which is espoused by many, is the opening up of markets, shrinking down of government, increasing individual choice and freedom and responsibility, lessening government regulations and returning power to the states, using technology to make government more efficient, cracking down on wasteful spending, and reforming taxes to make them fairer and flatter, all while maintaining (but reforming) such things as Medicare and some healthcare regulations, among others.

Is it very much a reactionary approach and attempts at returning to the days of smaller government? You could say that, but again, the conservative philosophy is one based upon the founding principles of this nation and a simultaneous understanding of the way the world works, what is possible and what isn't possible, if given the political will, of course. Bigger government isn't progress; smaller government is.

Such is my position, however, and you may stand in disagreement with it, which is why I ask you, what do you define as "progress?" Is it more government regulations and programs, or fewer? More federal control, or more power to the states? More individual freedom, or less? Should we streamline government like a business would, or should we not? Do you believe that increased government control in healthcare is progress, or that decreased government involvement in the industry is progress?

Certainly there is no right or wrong answer, and I'm looking forward to reading and responding to what the rest of you had to think on what the definition of "progress" is!

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mvenus929's picture
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Progress means change for the better. There are many ways to change it, and different people will have different ideas as to how achieve this progress.

Per the government involvement thing; I'm split. There are some things that I think need slightly more government control, and others need much, much less. I can't wait to read more of your opinions, personally.

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Green Underbelly's picture

I've adapted the idea that progress is the gradual betterment of human rights and standard of living among individuals and their environment.

"slimming down the size and scope of government, decreasing government regulations on businesses and the individual, opening up to more personal freedom (though not at the expense of the elimination of a moral fabric), and dealing with the problems at hand in an effective manner which surrounds massive government reforms and limitations."

Having written this, which principles in the United States Constitution (Or the preamble) do you view with contempt? "Promoting the general welfare?"

Sustainably yers, Green Underbelly

Magnificentme's picture

One could argue that slimming down the size and scope of the government is promoting the general welfare, but it depends on how you view the government.

-m-

Kirlian-Voltaire's picture

I would say that a more precise meaning of "Progress" would be to work towards a system of government that is more efficient and logically based, whilst simultaneously avoiding interference with the lives of the people as much as possible. This means, as you have stated, much less government (especially in the region of regulation) and much more personal control. I would admit that a small level of regulation is needed (i.e. prevention of malpractice and misrepresentation of products). However, one finds that the more government bureaucracy one inserts into a system, the more likely it will be abused to suit the pocketbooks of those in control.

I would also argue that limiting people's rights based on maintaining a "moral fabric" is, in and of itself, amoral. Morality is a very subjective thing, and there is no particular moral truth to be found that is universal. One person might find that drug use is abhorrent (from medical to recreational), but another might find that it is quite useful. The subject of abortion alone is one that can be debated for days (and one that I will go over in great length in the future). In the end, the one way we can maintain people's rights while also maintaining the general health and safety of the population is to posit the question "who is being harmed, and how badly is the person being harmed" when we run into these situations. In this way, we can address the root of the problem and find justice rather than vengeance.

I, too, am excited to see more of your writings, and am hoping that we can create some interesting discussion.
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In a world of darkness, science and reason provide the light of truth.

Progress is making steps forward in something that you want to achieve. In this case, the progress of each of our lives I would think, growing and going forward in our lives successfully.

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Rest in peace
yourfuneralguy
http://www.lowercostfuneral,com/rbrianblog

does not come close to his mind or rhetoric.
In fact your post on "progress" and smaller government including your views on health care and regulation are quite simplistic.

Mr. Reagan is probably looking down sadly upon your post.

Progress from Mr.Reagan is clearly defined as broad prosperity, personal freedom, a better future and shared responsibility for all.

If you look at Mr. Reagan and even do a superficial glance at his rhetoric, this is his clear conclusion.
Please remove the Reagan photo and continue posting.

Reagan_Fan42's picture

That insulting post was rather disconcerting, not to mention entirely off-base.

A better future, most certainly; personal freedom, most definitely. "Broad prosperity" and "shared responsibility," however, both depend upon their respective definitions. Both Reagan's actions and his words promoted smaller government to the best of his ability. Don't believe it? Read below.

Ever listen to his 1964 Barry Goldwater speech, "A Time for Choosing?" Do you recall many of his other speeches which invoke similar rhetoric? What about the quotes that Mr. Reagan addressed regarding smaller government and less regulation? I'll pull up a number of them, aside from my signature quote:

"Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. "

"Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets."

"Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them."

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."

"Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."

"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives."

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

"Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them."

"If the federal government had been around when the Creator was putting His hand to this state, Indiana wouldn't be here. It'd still be waiting for an environmental impact statement."

"Man is not free unless government is limited."

"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! "

"Protecting the rights of even the least individual among us is basically the only excuse the government has for even existing."

"The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would steal them away."

"The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. "

"The three most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much. "

"The taxpayer - that's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination. "

"Unemployment insurance is a pre-paid vacation for freeloaders."

"We should measure welfare's success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added. "

"Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence."

Furthermore, in 1975 Reason magazine interviewed then-governor Reagan on a wide range of issues. Tell me if his rhetoric doesn't match up with my positions: http://www.reason.com/news/show/29318.html.

As a matter of fact, let me quote then-Governor Reagan on regulation, from that article:

REAGAN: Well, many of them in the regulatory fields of our private enterprise sector. We’ve noticed, for example, that for half-a-century the railroads have been saying that they could take care of themselves and would have no problems–if they could be freed from a great many government regulations and the ICC. Finally their plight was such that the government had to take over the passenger traffic with Amtrak and one of the first things that Amtrak did was ask to be relieved of the ICC regulations!

REASON: Are you in favor of decontrolling the railroads and the other regulated industries?

REAGAN: Yes. Again this comes down to the point at which we get into regulations that are for the protection of the people. I don’t think anyone suggests that we should do away with those regulations which insure safety for the passengers in transportation. I don’t think that we should do away with those regulations in the field of pure foods and so forth, that make sure that some unscrupulous individual can’t sell us canned meat that gives us botulism. But, we start with those legitimate areas and then we go on and regulations just keep spreading like spores of a fungus until we find that they literally are taking away the rights of management to make business decisions with regard to their competition.

Now, having posted all that: Sir, I may not have been alive when Reagan was President, and you can disagree with me and what I believe to be progress, but you cannot tell me that what I said is any different from what Reagan said, did, or would have wanted. He was a conservative, and his rhetoric spoke for it. I have studied Reagan; I have read up on him a great deal and researched him just as much, and for you to tell me that I am essentially disgracing the name of Ronald Reagan - that, in and of itself, is ridiculous.

Even a superficial glance at Reagan's rhetoric shows that he was a small-government conservative, that he was a believer that progress would be achieved through the means of slimming down government. I'm afraid you need to do some more research. Then you can come back and tell me about Ronald Reagan.

"Government is not the solution to our problems; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

Green Underbelly's picture

"Government is not the solution to our problems; government is the problem."

Ronald Reagan did not devolve government, despite popular conservative propaganda. Perhaps on social issues that affect we the people (the middle and lower class people), sure, he limited government programs.

However his work as a hawk in the White House were evident of his true colors. How has SDI benefited the people of this country? The incredible defense spending under his administration is proof of his fraud. It seems I could argue with you for limitless hours about the mal-intent of Reaganomics, not to mention his work to underscore the Fairness Doctrine.

Sustainably yers, Green Underbelly

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Rest in peace
yourfuneralguy
http://www.lowrcostfuneral.com/rbrianblog.com

No matter what you say Reagan Grew the government and spending!
He put mental patients on the street ( closed Mental institutions)and gave us the homeless. He did this in California while governor of California as well. I do not have to mention Iran Contra where he made Oliver North the fall Guy.

He is responsible for the death of over 200 Marines in Lebanon. He turned and ran after that. He brought us the Stock market crash of 1987. You see I lived through Ronald Reagan and studied him all the way through. I have met Ed Rollins, and my childhood and high school friend was Reagan"s Press Secretary. I know Nancy Reagans Top aide and have been to the Inaugural Ball.

Yes, I am one of Ronnies Biggest fans Grow up! take the picture down. He would like you to stand on your own point of view not his.

I am sure of one thing. Do not pretend to be the man who stared an evil empire down
and watched it fall. Kids have no respect these days!

Ronnie, Rest in Peace.

Green Underbelly's picture

Well said.

Sustainably yers, Green Underbelly

restinpeace's picture
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Rest in peace
yourfuneralguy
http://www.lowercostfuneral.com/rbrianblog

too harsh.

Green Underbelly's picture

What do you mean, "too harsh"?

Sustainably yers, Green Underbelly

mvenus929's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

Please use the reply link when responding to a comment. It keeps the thread together when other people start responding as well.

Also, read his comment title... he's one of the few people that actually use the title.

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restinpeace's picture
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Rest in peace
yourfuneralguy
http://www.lowercostfuneral/rbrianblog

because forming your own political opinions is tough emotionally and I have decades of experience with this, have a degree in political science and it is a learning experience.

thanks mvenus929

Green Underbelly's picture

Why thank you. You're very straight and to the point.. I'll work on being more direct and observant in the comment-making process.

Sustainably yers, Green Underbelly

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