I had a converstation with a colleague recently about the death penalty. I said I'm all about it. Then he throws a curve ball at me... if I am for the death penalty, then I must be in favor of abortion. Because both are a murder in a sense. That if I am not an advocate for abortion, then how can I be so gung ho on the death penalty because I am still in favor of killing someone. At that moment, the room got a little hotter, my hands started sweating, my face became flushed... because how in God's name could he compare the two?? We're talking about an innocent, INNOCENT, life here. I cannot see killing the innocent as okay. THAT is NOT okay, and how I feel about abortion is a blog in itself, so I won't even elaborate soley on that subject. However, just because I say I don't want to an innocent unborn child to die is the same as saying I don't want a murderer to die is absurd!! They are two totally and completely different things here. How can they possibly be compared?
What are your thoughts?
*fuming* KC
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My feelings about this agree with yours, but at the same time don't. When I was younger, I had an uncle try to kill both my mother and myself. Why? Because he thought my mother ruined his life, and because I lived with her, I must of had some part in ruining his life. Even though he was family, I would have had not problem seeing him be put to death via the death penalty. Needless to say, the chance never came, he died of heart failure 4 months after the event took place. So, as you can see, I am in favor of the death penalty, but only in specific circumstances, most of which are set down in the stipulations needed for the death penalty anyways.
Now when it comes to abortion, we may have a little problem.
I am also for abortion, but only to a certain extent. Partial Birth Abortion? Hell No! That is the most inhumane thing I can think of. However, I feel that aborting a fetus that is less than 2 months old is acceptable given the right conditions:
1) Financial reasons
2) Rape / molestation
3) The father left the mother to fend for herself (what an asshole is all I have to say about that).
Basically, if the woman was having sex with her boyfriend, and got pregnant, and he was staying with her, than an Abortion is NO ACCEPTABLE. However, if she could not afford to have the baby, or if she was raped then I think it was acceptable.
When it comes to #3, I have strong feelings.
I am a male, and I have to say that I hate other males that have sex with women and get them pregnant, and then leave them in the dust. To be honest, if I ever knew someone that did something like that, I'd probably have a few choice words with them, and then a few choice physical actions as well. I don't stand for female abuse, and in my eyes, that is a form of abuse. SO when it comes to the pregnancy, I think it becomes to womens choice here. If I were the women, I would probably have the child, mainly because I love children, but that's a different story.
If she thinks she can manage enough to have the child, then have it, if she thinks she can manage to have the child, then the abortion is wrong. If she can't physically or mentally handle having that child without it's father present, during the pregnancy and/or during the life of that child, then I am for the abortion.
In a situation like this, it just depends on the circumstances revolving around the pregnancy and the relationship of the mother and father.
I don't think not having the money is reason enough for an abortion. The pregnant girl/woman could always give the child up for adoption. Would that not be the more humane thing to do? I agree with your other circumstances about abortion such as rape and incest, but if some young girl and guy think they're adult enough to have sex, and are trying to shrug off the consequences of their adult actions, then that is not reason enough to have an abortion. It is not justified by any means. You're right, men who get women pregnant and then leave are nothing but POS, slack-a** degenerates. But just because some woman was left holdin' the bag doesn't mean she too should forget her responsibilites. My sister was done that way. She chose to have the child and what a blessing it has been watching her daughter grow to be so smart and beautiful. Under normal circumstances, I do not believe abortion is the answer...
The whole money issue is only a problem when the guy leaves her and she is left with the child. Now, any woman knows it is virtually impossible to work during the final weeks of pregnancy, let alone unhealthy.
The only reason why I didn't bring adoption into the picture when I brought money into the picture was purely because of the hospital bills she is going to have once the baby is actually born, and all the hospital visits / stays for the first few days / weeks.
This isn't cheap. Hell, I broke my thumb in 4 places recently playing football, and that wasn't cheap, I can't even imagine how much a pregnancy would cost a single mother that hasn't been able to work for 2 weeks, and probably a week(s) afterwards as well.
However, I do favor adoption as an option as well. I must admit that if I become a man that can easily afford it, and my wife, whomever she may be (haven't found her yet...) agrees to it, I would love to adopt a child or two, but then again, I love kids. But that's not really what we're discussing here now is it?
You know, I forgot to mention that if the mother's life is in danger if she went through with the pregnancy, then I would be infavor for the abortion as well.
I am for the death penalty, and for abortion (preferably, up to the fourth month, but that is just a personal thing).
A criminal on death row is an example of a wasted chance. The opportunity is now gone. An unborn fetus is an example of potential. Women can choose to act on it, and they can choose not to. That criminal had the same chance and it was never acted upon. If a mother feels she (or anyone else) cannot give that child the opportunity it deserves, she may act on it however she chooses to.
Perhaps that is just my ability to look past a fetus becoming a cute, gurgling baby.
theres a different between the two. believing in the death penalty is saying that you think a person that has done something really wrong should be punished for it by death. with abortion, its believing that a person who has made the mistakes of getting pregnant in the first place should deal with keeping the baby and not having an easy way out. you arent killing a person by believing in the death penalty, or being for it. BUT if a person believes in abortion or is for it, its almost like saying youre alright with that person killing a person(because a baby thats not grown is still considered a person) for no reason at all. i think that if a person is not ready for a kid and wants to ''kill'' it then maybe they shouldnt have had sex in the first place. maybe people say it was an ''accident'' getting pregnant. that CAN be true if you were rapped, but if you CHOSE to have sex, then you should with the responsibilities of have a child. (whenever i use "you", im talking about people in general)