I have a question for you.
I see this more in gay men than I do gay women, but that's besides the point.
Why do you feel the need to walk around and flamboyantly let people know that you're gay? I mean seriously. Is there a point to all of this? Take this for example. My Mother is a hospice nurse. She was going through a regular day, went to her patient's house, rang the doorbell, and the old woman's son opened the door. He didn't say anything to her other than, "Hi. My name's Jeremiah, and I'm gay".
I'm sorry what? You don't see us "Homophobes " walking around saying "Hi. I'm straight".
I'm not by any means "dissing" homosexuals. Do what you want with who you want. Yes, it may be imoral, but that's besides the point.
Just answer me this.
Why do you need to let everyone know?
Then you have the gays out there who want to take part in marriage. As it has been said before, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. But even that, I can look past. I remember reading a while back that now, since they can't take part in marriage, some gays are fighting for the right to be able to file as a joint on income tax returns. Their argument? They can't take part in marriage, so living together is as close as marriage as they get. I'm sorry, but no. Just because you like someone of the same sex, does not mean in any shape or form that you should have special privileges.
While I'm at it, might I add, it sickens me when gays claim that straight people that disagree with homosexual behavior are homophobes. It is possible to disagree with something without discriminating or judging the person that is exerting that behavior.
I do not agree with homosexuality for one reason; The bible says its wrong. Just because I disagree with it doesn't mean that I'm going to try to bash a gay mans head in. I won't even stand on the side of the road with a sign that says "god hates fags".
The truth is, God doesn't hate anyone.
We are given choices. If you choose to be gay, then that's your choice not mine. But why is there such a need to discriminate against those who don't agree with you?
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Is that what you wanted to hear? Or did you want a long, drawn-out, totally predictable discussion which you will lose, even if you don't realize it?
T.k.
sometimes I laugh at things that probably weren't meant to be funny... this is one of them.
But the words used, the phrasing, the not quite mocking, not quite chastising tone of it--it's like I looked into a mirror of my own thought process, and I just found it funny.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, your comment is made of win. :-)
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"...There is a crushing guilt that comes with being a Catholic. Whether things are good or bad or you're simply... eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt."
-30 Rock-
Oh, don't worry, it was meant to be funny. I'm glad somebody laughed.
T.k.
I am infact heterosexual but calling homosexual people "gays" is discrimination. Heterosexual people go around saying "I screwed this bitch last night." so what are you trying to say here exactly? Heterosexual people declare their heterosexuality just as much as "gay" people do. Even people of a different race say "it's because i'm white." or "it's because i'm black." Why can't homosexuals get married if they have been with that person for a long time and love them? They are getting raped in taxes just like single people are. Plus marriage doesn't exist in heaven so why should it really matter now? I agree with shenth on this one....
Something people should know about:
http://www.progressiveu.org/032913-lupus-uncureable-wait-what
I have to disagree. Calling someone gay is in no way discrimination. It's a term used to describe their lifestyle in the Merriam/webster dictionary. Homosexual is a bit less flamboyant, but gay is not vulgar. someone saying "I fucked that bitch last night" is nowhere near equivalent to "hi. I'm gay".
When a heterosexual person walks around talking about who they "fucked", its a bragging right I suppose(sex isn't something to brag about but thats a different blog completely), but when a person of homosexual nature walks around introducing themselves and saying that they're gay, its an informatory statement, like they feel like they need to let everyone know because it makes them special.
That's exactly what this post is about.
If people want to be gay, fine, that's their choice. But that does not entitle you special privileges.
"Plus marriage doesn't exist in heaven so why should it really matter now?"
It matters because God says its wrong. period.
Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul.
Well saying somebody is gay is different than grouping them all together and calling them gays. That just doesn't sound like you have any respect. Also, just because this one guy said, "Hi I'm gay" doesn't mean all homosexuals do that. If you could provide many many more examples you might have a small argument going, but you don't have any more so this is pointless almost.
I hate fighting but you started it.... Do you believe everything you read to be accurate? I hope you know it's not. Why do you care any way? Your not the one being judged on being homosexual. And yeah saying the "gays" may not be discreate discrimination but it is rude. That is like saying the "blacks." or the "Jews". I understand what you mean by people walking around saying I'm gay. But I was talking about heterosexual people walk around pretty much stating they are heterosexual. I was pointing to the fact I don't want to hear anyone's business. It may be annoying hearing people say "I'm gay." but it is annoying hearing about people screwing other people. I believe in God but how do you know? Oh well if it says it in the bible, how do you know that someone didn't make parts of the bible up? People are putting their faith to much in what the bible says instead of worshipping god. You have to realize there are homosexual people out there that don't want to be that way but they can't help the fact they like the same sex. How do you explain that?
Something people should know about:
http://www.progressiveu.org/032913-lupus-uncureable-wait-what
That's not something I can explain. I am not homosexual as you may have gathered. So, I don't know what it's like to live life being homosexual. I was simply stating my opinion about the matter.
And yes, I do find it just as annoying when people walk around talking about who they screwed. It's not really something I need to hear, nor is the fact that someone is gay or not.
Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul.
The following blog describes what it's like to live life as a gay person in a gay relationship (if we are left to our own devices, that is. I chose not to include the incidents of discrimination that sometimes infiltrate our day). It's my own experience, but it is pretty similar to every gay couple I know. And I know quite a few (hundred). Here's the link:
http://www.progressiveu.org/211551-gay-life-our-dastardly-plan-destroy-i...
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
I understand what you mean but I am not homosexual either nor do I have the desire to be. But other people are free to do what they want and should not be judged for that. I will be friends with anyone no matter who they are, what they do, how they look or whatever because it is not effecting my life. Things can really only affect a person's life if you let it. I am glad that you stated your opinion about it and I understand. I was mainly just trying to make a point as well. I am very open-minded and I just wish other people could be the same...
I am here to inform and help:
http://www.progressiveu.org/032913-lupus-uncureable-wait-what
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Being gay is exactly like being straight, only with people telling you every day of your life that you're wrong to exist.
...Sorry, that was the witty answer. In reality, I do not know precisely what gays go through. However, since that is what I am percieved to be, I can give you a close approximation.
-No blood donations. I ride the complicated line between legal and illegal when it comes to donating, and so I can understand the silly assumptions that keep gays out.
-Reluctance to share crushes. Straight teenagers, in case you've never noticed, like to chat about other straight teenagers they like. Gay teenagers get to hang around and listen without saying a word.
-Awkward dances. You're the kind of person who would have accused me of "trying to stick out" if I had asked someone I liked to dance. Never mind that you would have been able to ask whoever you wanted.
-No sex-ed. We may not get pregnant, but STDs happen. When was the last time you learned about protection for straight people? How about lesbians? Different, huh?
I wasn't kidding about the "same except for constant harassment" bit, by the way. It's people like you that make our lives really different.
T.k.
Well, it's hard to use a religious argument for those that don't believe in God and for those who advocate separation of church and state.
Maybe a better question for you is why should you care what other people do with their lives? How does it affect you if two gay people live together or get married? It doesn't affect you if people curse or take the lord's name in vain does it? (And doesn't it say a sin is a sin in the bible?)
Why does someone being gay offend you so much?
As for announcing that someone is gay, it can't be compared to someone announcing they are straight because in society, it's generally assumed that a person is straight. I don't know if it makes sense to announce you're gay randomly, but perhaps that may be because they want to be up-front with you. Wearing a cross announces your beliefs, maybe you can view it in a similar way.
Also, the tone you take in regards to the subject indicates that you have some disgust for gays and even if you argue that they you don't hate them, your attitude says otherwise. It's like arguing that you aren't one thing and then doing everything to disprove it. I wish you would get to know someone gay and maybe you wouldn't view it as such an unnatural thing.
If there was a God, I honestly don't think he'd condemn someone for loving someone else. There are so many things that are worse, that actually hurt people like murder and hatred. Maybe you should go attacking people that commit other sins rather than this one that has no effect on you.
I'm afraid I have to agree with fictitious on the use of the word. Most gays and lesbians actually prefer to be called "gay" than "homosexual," for two reasons. The first is that before homosexuality was removed from teh DSM IV as a psychological disorder (not that long ago, like maybe '76 or so), "homosexuality" was the term for a mental disease. For some people, the word still carries that connotation. Which leads to the most improtant reason we don't use that word: the religious right has coopted the term for their purposes. Fictitious is one fo the rare exceptions I've seen, because usually, religious types will use "homosexual" almost exclusively. It sounds much more distasteful than "gay," is associated with a mental disorder, and all in all helps further their cause of discrimination.
So go ahead and use "gay!" It is perfectly fine to say, "Oh he's gay" or "this gay couple I know." The appropriate use of the word is very much appreciated! The only time it is derogatory is when it is used to insult someone, as it often is in elementary, middle, and high schools. And colleges. And the workforce. *sigh*
But believe me, that is the ONLY point with which I agree in this blog.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
It was the way the word was used. it just sounded wrong to me. But you do have a point ediblewomen. The writer was using it to me in a way that seemed like it disgusted them. "the gays." That was what I was meaning.
I am here to inform and help:
http://www.progressiveu.org/032913-lupus-uncureable-wait-what
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I agree, I know it is okay to say somebody is gay. I just felt like the tone he used wasn't a good one, and he said "gays" not gay people, I just had a sense of disrespect.
If everyone agreed with everything I said in a blog, it would take all the fun out of it.
I post to let my opinions out, and to hear the opinions of others.
Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul.
Well I feel like the only reason you THINK they are trying to stand out is because they are not the majority. If it was the other way around, it would be the heterosxeuals who stood out. They aren't "gays" by the way, they are homosexuals.
You know when you meet those people that are so ignorant, it's almost pointless to have any kind of debate with them because they're pretty much not going to hear or understand any kind of logic or justice besides their own unresearched opinions?
Yeah.
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"All things appear and disappear because of the concurrence of causes and conditions. Nothing ever exists entirely alone; everything is in relation to everything else."
-Buddha
Zing. True that.
Thanks for the wake up call.
...and obvious when you stop to think about it.
It is much easier to discriminate against "gays," but it is much harder to justify hateful and ignorant acts that are directed against someone that you know personally and can put a face on.
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because you seem so convinced of your position, but the one thing I would like to address is the "special rights" comment. What special rights are we asking for, exactly? I'm pretty sure we just want the same old rights as everyone else.
If there is a movement to give us "special rights" --like a stipend for every year we stay married, or government-funded weddings, complete with big receptions, or honeymoons in the Lincoln bedroom-- I'd be pissed about that too.
I'm fairly certain we're just asking for EQUAL rights. What's so special about that?
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
Not all of them are so flamboyant, or going out of their way.
There is nothing wrong with you wanting equal rights. Fight for it. If you want something you HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT.
I don't agree with it, but that's not my decision to make.
But my point is, gay marriage has not been legalized. IMO gays shouldn't be given the privilege of filing a joint tax return or other things like that just because they can't be married. If the government were to let gays do that, they'd have to let heterosexual couples do it as well.
I'm honestly not trying to offend anyone. I'm simply stating my opinion.
Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul.
So granting gay couples ONE of the 1100 rights that are automatically granted married to heterosexual couples is considered "special rights?" It really seems more like separate but not even close to equal rights.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
Source for where the bible says homosexuality is wrong?
I've met hundreds if not thousands of gay people. Not a single one of them introduced himself/herself as gay.
I believe the passage that Christians often refer to when siting homosexuality as a "sin" is:
"9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." -1 Corinthians 6:9-10
However, the Bible also needs to be read for its historical context. Notice it says "homosexual offenders," not simply "homosexuals." The difference is that, in the case of this passage, "homosexual" is being used as an adjective instead of a noun, in which case "offenders" is the real noun. The sin is not so much the homosexuality, but rather the offending nature of the person. I can only deduce that, like the list suggests ("sexually immoral nor idolators nor adulterers nor prostitutes"), homosexuals are not necessarily living in sin unless they are committing idolatry, adultery, or prostitution. Sexual immorality, then, would mean something along the lines of, treating sex as though it were meaningless. What is morality? The distinguishing between good and evil. Good sexual behavior involves love and, of course, consent. Evil sexual behavior is one without love and consent, such as rape. So the mentioning of homosexuality is not so much to condemn them, but perhaps to say that, like any relationship, there is a right and a wrong way to go about it.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/kariskoett
"All things appear and disappear because of the concurrence of causes and conditions. Nothing ever exists entirely alone; everything is in relation to everything else."
-Buddha
The common translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is almost certainly inaccurate. Paul uses the term arsenokoitai in this verse, a word which at best can only be construed to apply to gay men ("arsen" means "man"). However, we also know that the Koine Greek word for "homosexual man" was paideraste, not aresenokoitai. In no case, however, could this language be applies to female homosexuality, which in fact is mentioned nowhere in any of the common biblical cannons.
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There are many ideas in the Bible that are lost in translation and interpretation. Some people even believe that there are examples of homosexual relationships in the Bible - Rachel and Naomi, David and Jonathan, etc. The point of the Bible, anyway, is not to lay down a hard set of laws, but rather to promote love and community. There really shouldn't even be a question of, "Is homosexuality a sin??" The question should be more along the lines of, "Am I loving my neighbor, or am I hurting them?"
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/kariskoett
"All things appear and disappear because of the concurrence of causes and conditions. Nothing ever exists entirely alone; everything is in relation to everything else."
-Buddha