Applesauce?
err...no
Abortion, is what I'm referring to...
I would consider myself very much on the liberal side of politics, but when it comes to this topic, I've never been able to understand the arguments of the pro-choice.
To be perfectly frank, I have a sneaking suspicion that some women just don't want to go through the pain of childbirth. Otherwise, why wouldn't you shoot for adoption?
I've heard people say that they couldn't live knowing their child is somewhere in the world, and they can't communicate with them. But they can live with killing that same child?
I don't mean to incite a huge backlash (although I'm sure I'll get plenty of pro-choice comments), and I don't think a pro-choicer is necessarily affiliated with Satan/Lucifer/Hitler/whatever (as far too many pro-lifers seem to think). I'd just like to hear some argument that didn't ultimately amount to nothing more than a vague, selfish notion of propriety/fear of pain/avoidance of weight gain/blah blah blah...
This is really all I want to say, but progressiveu insists on a 200 word minimum...
So I'll talk about music or something.
Music while writing this post:
5/4 - Gorillaz
Vanishing - Barenaked Ladies
Soma - The Strokes
Necromancer - Gnarls Barkley
More Time - Needtobreathe
Don't Panic - Coldplay
There, that's about 200.
Honestly, I don't think that it's about the pain in childbirth. It really depends on how you look at the baby or fetus or whatever you want to call it. Some may view it as a baby from the moment of conception while others may see it as a bunch of cells with no feelings, thoughts, etc. and as such not much of anything but the potential to become a baby. You wouldn't think twice of taking out a little bone marrow if you thought that the other option would be worse. Many (and I personally do) see the product of conception as a bunch of cells that have no feelings or thoughts and so for them to be taken out of me would not bother me too much I don't think. I think there would always be the sense of regret that comes from doing things that are social stigma, but I'm pretty sure that would not be a choice I would regret.
Well, then, the obvious question is, when does a "product of conception" become a living human?
When does it feel pain?
When does it form thought (however primitive)?
When does it feel hunger, want, need, life, comfort, love, etc?
Bone marrow doesn't have the potential to become a living, breathing organism, so I don't really see how that comparison makes sense.
Don't get me wrong, I don't cherish every spermatozoa as precious because it has the potential to be a human, but there is a difference between a gamete and an embryo.
There is also a difference between an embryo and a fetus.
So, why is it acceptable to abort a fetus in the U.S.?
Well, then, the obvious question is, when does a "product of conception" become a living human?
Easy: at birth.
Bone marrow doesn't have the potential to become a living, breathing organism, so I don't really see how that comparison makes sense.
Who cares about potential? It makes much more sense to bestow rights upon a living, breathing, separate organism when it actually becomes a living, breathing, separate organism: at birth.
How about the millions of premature babies that are healthy individuals in the world today? Many of them could have legally been aborted, because (according to your logic), they weren't supposed to be born for a few more months (so they weren't "alive" for a few more months). Yet here they are today, as alive as you or me.
So, (again, your logic), a baby born at nine months doesn't become a person until that nine months, and therefore could be aborted previous to that day.
A baby born at six and a half months is a person the day he/she is born, as well.
Do you see the dichotomy here?
I would consider myself very much on the liberal side of politics, but when it comes to this topic, I've never been able to understand the arguments of the pro-choice.
Well, do you believe that our reproductive organs belong to us, or do you believe they belong to the government? Because if our reproductive organs belong to us, we should have the right to decide what happens to them. Why shouldn't a woman have the right to decide not to complete a pregnancy? It's her body, right?
To be perfectly frank, I have a sneaking suspicion that some women just don't want to go through the pain of childbirth.
So what if they don't? It's almost as if you think women deserve pain or something.
Otherwise, why wouldn't you shoot for adoption?
What business is it of yours?
I've heard people say that they couldn't live knowing their child is somewhere in the world, and they can't communicate with them. But they can live with
killing that same child?You mean, "But they can live with never giving birth to a child in the first place?" Yes, they can live with that.
"Why shouldn't a woman have the right to decide not to complete a pregnancy? It's her body, right?"
Err, yeah, but it's not just a woman's body anymore...See, the thing about childbirth is that another person is born...
"So what if they don't? It's almost as if you think women deserve pain or something."
First off, that's quite the leap in logic.
Secondly, you don't see anything slightly selfish/morally repugnant about a woman killing a child because she's a wee bit scared of labor pains?
"What business is it of yours?"
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This is progressiveu, right? So I'm allowed to debate on topics that I think need to be discussed, right?
I think it's everyone's business on a topic like abortion, since we all have a very good chance of being involved in the birth of a child at one point in our lives.
No, I don't mean "But they can live with never giving birth to a child in the first place?"
I mean "They can live with killing that same child."
Abortion isn't like an Etch-a-Sketch, just shake it and it'll go away. You actually have to kill the fetus. "Out of sight, out of mind" doesn't really apply when you are dealing with a baby.